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Ok, I'll just leave these here, then.
Tax cuts aren’t stimulus.
That's debatable, but we don't need to have that debate because Trump's going crazy on Government spending too:
"massive stimulus from U.S. tax cuts and government spending"
How's "massive stimulus" working out for them?
How’s “massive stimulus” working out for them?
Really badly, as it's hugely random non purposed and certainly not planned at all
Now the fool wants to fight a general election. We have 78 days until leaving day and he wants to waste most of it fighting an election campaign. FFS
It takes 35 days from dissolution of parliament to get to Election Day (25 working days). I suspect that the EU will tell the new PM to jog on if they wish to re-negotiate/change part of the agreement.
Too little too late Mr Corbyn.
Too little too late Mr Corbyn.
I guess you missed the fairly clear hint in the following Q&A that if there was a new election that article 50 would have to be extended? Don't be distracted by the detail though, it might harm your argument.
I guess you missed the fairly clear hint in the following Q&A that if there was a new election that article 50 would have to be extended
From my understanding, we either leave in March, or revoke article 50. I am not aware of a mechanism to extend the negotiations without EU agreement. I have also seen nothing that makes me believe they would agree to an extension. Frankly they are sick to the back teeth of the absolute ****ing stupidity of British politics, extending the uncertainty is not in their interests.
Corbyn has well and truly outed himself as a pathetic opportunist. Starmer please.
Of course we can extend. The EU is famous for extending everything, kicking the can down the road is their area of expertise (wow, I am sounding like a brexiter!)
The A50 2 years is just an arbitrary number based on nothing as nobody has triggered A50 before.
Now the fool wants to fight a general election. We have 78 days until leaving day and he wants to waste most of it fighting an election campaign. FFS
It takes 35 days from dissolution of parliament to get to Election Day (25 working days). I suspect that the EU will tell the new PM to jog on if they wish to re-negotiate/change part of the agreement.
Too little too late Mr Corbyn.
I can't agree he's made any mistakes on the issue of Brexit, he's played it brilliantly from the very start. Every step of the way he's aided a hard Brexit whilst leaving the blame for it elsewhere. Pretty shrewd AFAIC.
I can't see how he'd have played it better from his perspective.
The last thing he'd want is to be in power taking responsibility for whatever happens.
Of course he wants a GE. Who doesn't want this scum out of power? GE, win it then assess which means extending a50 which of course the EU would do for a new government
For too many of you nothing Corbyn does will do
Should he really leave this shower of incompetent scum with a free ride to no deal? Or should he force them out?
I have also seen nothing that makes me believe they would agree to an extension.
I heard on R4 a few weeks back that they've suggested they'll agree an extension in order to facilitate a second referendum, but for no other reason.
Which makes sense, given their objectives here.
Of course he wants a GE. Who doesn’t want this scum out of power?
If there was a GE and he won then he would *be* the scum in power. He'd be to blame for whatever happens and each of the three options is deeply unpopular. That's exactly what he's trying to avoid.
...and I'd seriously question if the Government is "in power". They're 'in office', but power requires a majority.
For too many of you nothing Corbyn does will do
I'd take him stopping facilitating Brexit. That'd do for me. Failing that, just providing anything that you could actually refer to as opposition, while retaining a straight face
He's called for a general election? Again. Great! I'll call for a gold plated unicorn. We're both about as likely to get it.
The UK could request an extension but it would require 100% agreement from the 27. Some are already thinking "I wish the UK would just bugger off". There would also have to be the likely prospect that A50 would be cancelled, not the start of another two years of negotiations involving red unicorns - i.e. the 4 freedoms are acknowledged as indivisible at the outset.
I have also seen nothing that makes me believe they would agree to an extension.
I heard on R4 a few weeks back that they’ve suggested they’ll agree an extension in order to facilitate a second referendum, but for no other reason.
I heard on R4 yesterday (David Lidington?) that they would agree to a delay for a seismic shift in position; I don't think he was drawn on what that was (2nd Ref / People's Vote aside) but implication was a vote of no confidence / GE, or possibly even the existing Government going back and saying they want to start again from a different set of red lines (however implausible that seems at this stage, a week is a long time in politics particularly when your scrawny robotic neck is on the block and the headsman is sharpening his axe)
Should he really leave this shower of incompetent scum with a free ride to no deal? Or should he force them out?
He has done nothing to oppose a "no deal" it is his quest for a general election that is exactly facilitating that very outcome.
Yes I want the tories out, but the reality is brexit is more damaging than another 5 years of tory rule within the EU, especially for those labour are meant to represent.
so he's asking for a GE. What, does anyone reckon, are the chances of the Tories saying "Oh alright then..."?
Pointless diversion unless, with brilliant behind the scenes people skills and firm grip on strategy, he's done deals with Scot nats libdems, persuaded sinn Fein to take their seats to sort European crisis,pulled in a few wobbly Tories etc etc, to win a no confidence vote. As I say, what do you reckon?
Given that both Labour and Tories are divided on Brexit and both leaders are ruling out being part of THE Customs Union and are both against freedom of movement, would a GE deliver a noticeably different stance - one which would be enough for the EU27 to consider an A50 extension worthwhile?
The only difference in aproach between both front benches is the colour of the unicorns they're demanding. What Corbyn is asking from the EU is exactly the same cakist nonsense that David Davis swanned over to Brussels with 2 years ago. And he'll get exactly the same response. So he'd just end up coming back with exactly the same deal as Mays Deal but under a different name.
I'd like to think that the leader of HM Opposition would credit people with enough intelligence to be able to see this glaringly obvious fact, but apparently thats too much to hope for
The press conference at the end was crafty
Get asked 3 questions write them down then answer them. He cannot be put on the spot with a follow-up.
No one party wants an election for fear of winning it.
Gawd the nonsense posted on here about him
Of course he wants an election - so he can clean up this mess with something vaguely acceptable to the country and the party
But nothing he does will satisfy his critics. absolutly nothing. His positions on things are totally misrepresented and his motives turned on their heads
Get real folks - stop swallowing propaganda and actually think for yourselves or the "big lie" works as it seems to on many of you.
Ah yes... I forgot... everyone who doesn’t ‘get’ Jeremy is a gullible capitalist stooge and lackey of the military-industrial complex?
Missed a bit of the news today, thought he must have been hanging out with Chelsea fans for the thread to come back 😉
Wrong move for a GE, everything on a full on toys from the pram revolt on the entire thing then, after that is sorted he can have a go.
TJ - True or false?
TJ – you are actually aware that your messiah three-line-whipped his MP’s into voting against remaining in the customs union and the single market?!
Yeah but those are just actions, they don't matter, the worth of a man is measured in his platitudes.
I’d take him stopping facilitating Brexit. That’d do for me.
You don't seem to have got it into your noggin that not opposing Brexit is not necessarily a dereliction of his duty. I don't like Brexit any more than you do (and I suspect I will suffer from it more than you will) but it is, after all, the outcome of a democratic process.
I’d take him stopping facilitating Brexit.
You could equally argue that by ignoring the referendum result and campaigning to remain, even though the decision has been taken to leave, that he would be facilitating an unopposed tory brexit by effectively killing any chance of labour forming the next government.
The fact is, to repeat again, that Corbyn has very little power to stop brexit. If you want to have a go at people for facilitating brexit, it makes no sense to focus that rage on Corbyn. It's basically blaming the victim rather than the perpetrators. The only way this will be stopped is by a government who takes that decision. That can either be tory or labour, but they do actually have to be the government.
Corbyn has very little power to stop brexit.
If a Remainer had been leader of the Labour party there would be no Brexit. It was so tight, a 1pc swing would have done it.
If you want to have a go at people for facilitating brexit, it makes no sense to focus that rage on Corbyn. It’s basically blaming the victim rather than the perpetrators.
Corbyn, a lifelong brexiteer and constant vocal campaigner for Brexit is the *victim* of Brexit???
If a Remainer had been leader of the Labour party there would be no Brexit. It was so tight, a 1pc swing would have done it.
Brexit is not a party political issue, 1% more turnout would have helped, complacency on the part of remain was one of the biggest problems.
Corbyn, a lifelong brexiteer and constant vocal campaigner for Brexit is the *victim* of Brexit???
The PM is a remainer and EU supporter (well unless she just broke more human rights laws) whats your point? Like the PM he has 1 vote in the commons, his MP's are free to rebel of they want.
Everyone being nasty to JC is just jealous that he didn't give their mum flowers for her 70th earlier this week.
Like he did mine.
I do wish he'd back a second referendum rather than wishing for a GE though.
I think the point is that Labour are not campaigning for No Brexit.
They just say they want an election, then they will re-negotiate.
So it's Brexit with Labour too.
TBH, they are the worst opposition I have known in my 30+ years of interest. If they cannot be running away in the Polls against this shower of Tories, then they have no hope against anyone who is united and organised.
As it is, they may just about match the Tories if there was an election, which is a terrible result for Labour, as the Tories are so bad.
As has been commented on by many people on this thread, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess if the leader of the opposition had actually bothered to turn up for the referendum campaign instead of spending it on the allotment.
Still... the lifelong Brexiteer got what he wanted, so why worry that it’s going to lead to the people he’s meant to represent getting absolutely shafted
What do you Corbyn advisors think would have be gained if Corbyn had turned "enemy of the people" and gone full No Brexit. How would the position we are in today be any different? (given that we have a Tory government running it)
Corbyn is not an opportunist. I can't stand the old bigot, but you don't spend 40 years championing unpopular causes and pissing off your colleagues if you're an opportunist.
"Get real folks – stop swallowing propaganda and actually think for yourselves or the “big lie” works as it seems to on many of you."
Nice, TJ - everyone that disagrees with Corbyn and you is a dumb Nazi that's believed Jewish lies? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
"unless, with brilliant behind the scenes people skills and firm grip on strategy, he’s done deals with Scot nats libdems, persuaded sinn Fein to take their seats to sort European crisis..."
It's gonna take more than having Seamus Milne as an advisor to persuade Sinn Fein to take seats in Westminster to support a Brexiteer.
I think the point is that Labour are not campaigning for No Brexit.
Their manifesto says this quite clearly.
I have a grudging respect for Corbyn on this.
My point was that Brexit and it’s mess is of more importance than who is in power. Taking 5 weeks out of the time remaining to muck around with the seating plan at Westminster is of lesser importance than ensuring business can still operate after March 29. Let the Tories take the fall for their internecine feuding and ensure that anyone who supported the unfolding drama is held responsible for it (JRM, Brexit Bulldog and Bojo I’m looking at you).
Those in Solihull & West Mids who voted out are just starting to get an idea of how ‘project fear’ wasn’t anything but a warning of the fallout to come.
It is and an election is a waste of time as it will solve nothing as there is no parliamentary majority for brexit. An election and some key anti brexit independents with the right political alignment would make that a certainty,
So it's a bluff at most.
The real options unfold after the vote on the deal, people need to just try and keep some calm until then, try reciting your local teams first XI, you don't want you Archie Gemmill scoring against Holland in 1978 moment coming too soon.
Gosh - Jezza HAS been busy !!!
Don't be ridiculous, Corbyn wouldn't use Google to search for antisemitic materials.
He'd get them direct from the source - his old paymasters at Press TV. https://www.theredroar.com/2018/06/iranian-press-tv-pushing-labour-antisemitism-conspiracy-theories/
https://www.adl.org/blog/irans-press-tv-continues-to-broadcast-anti-semitism-as-news
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-press-tv-2012-11927924.amp
https://order-order.com/2018/09/26/proof-corbyn-lied-press-tv-appearances/amp/
Aah yes - reliable sources.
It is hard to believe that anybody could be so ridiculously stupid as to still believe and even push the idiotic lie that Corbyn is an antisemite, but here we are again.
Why not, the IRA one is old hat and the political stuff doesn't seem to be working well enough.
The next line of attack is criticising what vegetables he grows on his allotment and what they must symbolise.
I'd expect him to be planting artichokes, but maybe in his neighbours allotment.
If you look at those with most to loose from him getting into power it should provide a nice short list of where the next attack comes from.