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"Aah yes – reliable sources."
What bit in the cited sources is untrue? The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV or the bit that Press TV is anti-semitic?
The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV or the bit that Press TV is anti-semitic?
The bit where at least Order Order is one of the most right wing rags going, has a complete hatred of anything more left than thatcher. You take 2 things and make a really big assumption in the middle, remember JHJ and pictures of famous people standing next to each other being evidence?
We get that you disagree with the source's viewpoint, but what bit in the cited sources is untrue? The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV or the bit that Press TV is anti-semitic?
The bit where that makes him anti Semitic.
None of the sources said he was anti-Semitic.
You realise that when I suggested he'd be getting anti-semitic materials from Press TV, that was irony, right? Maybe you don't understand English irony...
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-zionists-have-no-sense-of-english-irony-1.468795
Maybe you don’t understand English irony…
rolls around laughing, might have missed your subtly there, try a smiley next time 🥓
in the pay of Press TV
You mean he received payment for a contribution to Press TV? That's pretty normal, no? Would you prefer he worked for free?
I would have preferred that he didn't work for the propaganda channel of an oppressive, fascist regime at all.
"rolls around laughing, might have missed your subtly there, try a smiley next time 🥓"
Is...is that an emoji of bacon there?
Anyway, shall we get back to Policy?
Given 72pc of his members don't want Brexit, how can Labour Leadership justify a pro brexit stance?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-72-per-cent-of-labour-members-want-jeremy-corbyn-to-back-peoples-vote-poll-a4028096.html
Trump and Corbyn are wrong, stimulus at this point in the cycle is not a good idea:
https://www.ft.com/content/c059d13b-e3d4-4fe2-85c9-d55bd6494fec
Yep the failure to represent the party view despite riding into power on the claim of democratising the party is an abject failure on his part at its first important test, and IMO is the main reason he should go.
But again trying to tie Corbym's policy's to Trumps is just pathetic mudslinging, and any one making that clam just embarrasses themselves.
Yep the failure to represent the party view
The last time the party expressed a view in a structured way was at the conference last summer. Or should policy be changed on, say, a weekly basis in accord with the latest polls.
I would have preferred that he didn’t work for the propaganda channel of an oppressive, fascist regime at all.
You must be mixing it up with Fox
Trump and Corbyn are wrong, stimulus at this point in the cycle is not a good idea:
Is this the same post you put up last week? Trump's stimulus is like a drunk with a shotgun trying to juggle chainsaws.
The last time the party expressed a view in a structured way was at the conference last summer. Or should policy be changed on, say, a weekly basis in accord with the latest polls.
The party wanted support for a second referendum, the leadership sidestepped them by not ruling it out, while clearly never supporting the idea, and still not doing so even at the 11th hour.
Trump’s stimulus is like a drunk with a shotgun trying to juggle chainsaws.
That may be true, I don't know enough about it. But as you can hear from the FT podcast, the people who know are saying the problem is not with the targeting but with doing it at this point in the cycle.
But again trying to tie Corbym’s policy’s to Trumps is just pathetic mudslinging, and any one making that clam just embarrasses themselves.
Which isn't that same as saying it's incorrect. 😀 Trump's economic policy and Corbynomics are exactly the same core idea: "Spend loads of cash, but don't worry because that will boost the economy and GDP will pick up." If that's wrong I'd love to hear how.
Given 72pc of his members don’t want Brexit, how can Labour Leadership justify a pro brexit stance?
"Party members" is not the same as "Labour voters", HTH
I would have preferred that he didn’t work for the propaganda channel of an oppressive, fascist regime at all.
You must be mixing it up with Fox
Which harks back to a point that was made earlier in the thread. Corbyn refuses to share a podium with people who he thinks are a tiny bit fascist if you squint and misquote them a bit, but willingly offers a platform to people who are actual literal fascists.
"You must be mixing it up with Fox"
When Corbyn's conduct is indefensible and the truth is awkward, you simply try sixth form whataboutery.
Corbyn's work for the Iranian government and Press TV are totally incompatible with the Labour Party's principles. Had Corbyn worked for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which has a significant degree of editorial independence, and which Trump reportedly despises for that reason), he would never have become leader of the Labour Party. But here we are...
“Party members” is not the same as “Labour voters”, HTH
So he's been wrong when he cites party democracy as a reason to do something? Voters are the body who count?
(I'd agree with you, if that's what you're saying.)
I don't know why the present contradiction between Corbyn and his follower comes as any great surprise to anyone. He's always been totally disinterested in representing anyones views but his own. And he believes he's right about everything and hasn't changed his opinion on anythign in decades, particularly the EU. He's inherently hostile to it as an institution
He's been happy to pay lip service to democracy while people broadly agree with him. Now that they don't, he gives them the same 'I know best' attitude that saw him rebel against the leadership over the last decades
He's no more interested in the opinions of his fabled 'membership' than he was in the opinions of Blair or Peter Mandleson. He's no intention of changing his position simply because everyone else disagrees with him.
He's always been a fraud. Its just that until know a lot of the naive and gullible have been wanting to believe otherwise. I just hope that the scales have now fallen from peoples eyes and they can see him for what he is... a self-serving charlatan who has no interest in representing anyone elses opinion other than his own
And as for his Brexit stance? Nicely summed up by the Mash yesterday...
Everyone dying to ask left-wing Brexiter what ****ing planet he’s on
Given 72pc of his members don’t want Brexit, how can Labour Leadership justify a pro brexit stance?
The only thing you need to know about labour's positions is that the party put forward a policy at the last conference, and this was voted on and approved by the membership. So far the leadership has followed that policy to the letter. If they depart from it, I'm sure the membership will be given an opportunity to hold them to account. For reference, the policy is below:
That's all very well but surely they should change their policy every week based on a survey of a few Labour party members.
He’s always been a fraud. Its just that until know a lot of the naive and gullible have been wanting to believe otherwise. I just hope that the scales have now fallen from peoples eyes and they can see him for what he is
Don't assume that your own obsessive and bitter view is the correct one. Remember, it is just your opinion, it is not actually true.
When Corbyn’s conduct is indefensible and the truth is awkward, you simply try sixth form whataboutery.
Maybe but I find it hard to summom the will to respond constructively to someone who describes writing an article or two as being "in the pay of Iran".
And he believes he’s right about everything and hasn’t changed his opinion on anythign in decades
You owe me a new irony meter!
"describes writing an article or two as being “in the pay of Iran”."
Corbyn didn't write articles for Press TV and I didn't say he was "in the pay of Iran". From your response, we can tell that you're neither familiar with the facts nor bothering to read what's written.
So far, of the Big Hitter Corbynistas on here denying Corbyn's anti-semitism, we have:
- one who takes the "la la la not listening it's all fake" approach (you)
- one who posts pictures of bacon, which seems like rather a BNP way to discuss anti-semitism https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/jeremy-corbyn/page/453/#post-10432772
- one who thinks that there's a Jewish conspiracy to spread lies about Corbyn https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/jeremy-corbyn/page/452/#post-10430977
🤔
Don't forget the others who have simply seen no evidence of it. I don't need to deny it, you need to prove it as it is a point you are making/believe in.
He’s always been totally disinterested in representing anyones views but his own.
Not seen his latest vid then?
Doesn't look the views of a person who is motivated by self-interest. He's bothered about both the screwed remainers and the screwed brexiteers. That puts him in the sensible camp to me.
And that's the way forward.
Any detail on how he does that once the tax take goes through the floor as the economy contracts/crashes in the wake of the Brexit he’s facilitating?
I only came back onto this thread to see if TJ had answered my 3-line-whip question yet.
what bit in the cited sources is untrue? The bit that Corbyn was in the pay of Press TV
Corbyn’s work for the Iranian government and Press TV
I didn’t say he was “in the pay of Iran”
and then:
we can tell that you’re neither familiar with the facts nor bothering to read what’s written
Boring.
I've heard he banged some black chic.
Betamax (Corbs always a stickler) sex tape soon to be released on xhamster.
"Boring"
Eh. I suppose we can add to that list that you also don't know how quotation marks work, DrJ. There's a big difference between the regime and the country.
If you ever get interested in such boring questions like "how do you reconcile Corbyn taking thousands of pounds from a fascist theocracy with Labour values?", do pop back and let us know.
Some say he breaths through his ears and on Wednesdays he eats nettle soup with bumblebee jambalaya.
I'm assuming there are leave labour supporters. What is their opinion of jc?
I smell a general election in the air
Let the monstering commence....
Let the monstering commence
On the plus side it might give singletracks Labour* moderates some new lines to try.
*by Labour I mean wanting Labour to do their personal bidding without necessarily bothering to join the party.
Interesting how these stories lead with the fact that she's jewish and ignore that she's one of those linked to the threat of a breakaway party...
No denying that she's been a target of terrible antisemitism in the past but seriously, "I don't want to be in this party" is a pretty good reason for the party to want to kick her out. She is not their boss, she is their rep.
I wouldn't want her representing me, put it that way, and how do you go into a general election with a member that might take your votes then run off with them?
How does LB's 'disloyalty' compare with Corbyn's own incredibly weak voting discipline?
Someone with his background and voting record just cannot command, let alone demand, loyalty.
Also, McDonnell castigating the hate campaign against the alleged anti-semite Jackie Walker, but just hours earlier encourage 8.5 months pregnant LB to declare her loyalty to avoid abuse is astounding.
The hypocrisy beggars belief.
andrewreay
Member
How does LB’s ‘disloyalty’ compare with Corbyn’s own incredibly weak voting discipline?
When did Corbyn ever threaten to form a breakaway party? She's not being told to "declare her loyalty to avoid abuse", there's a long way between "loyalty" and "literally leaving the party and forming another rival one". Nor is a no confidence vote "abuse", that's 2 different matters (abuse shouldn't be tolerated but the vote is just democracy)
And it's not Corbyn that's doing it, so what does his voting record have to do with it? It's her local party. You know, the people who choose who their candidate should be.
Someone with his background and voting record just cannot command, let alone demand, loyalty.
Leaving aside the fact you managed to skip over the fact it was her local party and had sod all to do with Corbyn rather than just regurgitating the old Corbyn undisciplined votes have you actually bothered to look at the cases where he did rebel. Heaven forbid someone vote for holding an inquiry into a dubious war.
I think you'll find he found more than the topic of Iraq to vote against. Take a look and the number of times he rebelled and the sheer variety of topics. There weren't more than 500 separate parliamentary votes on the Iraq war.
Fine for him to follow his conscience, rather different for everyone else now he's in charge.
For comparison, Tom Watson's record (first) followed by Jeremy Corbyn's (Sourece: The Public Whip)
Tom Watson
From To Party Rebellions
9 Jun 2017 Lab 1 vote out of 202, 0.5%
8 May 2015 3 May 2017 Lab 1 vote out of 228, 0.4%
6 May 2010 30 Mar 2015 Lab 8 votes out of 610, 1.3%
5 May 2005 12 Apr 2010 Lab 5 votes out of 952, 0.5%
7 Jun 2001 11 Apr 2005 Lab 6 votes out of 961, 0.6%
Jeremy Corbyn
From To Party Rebellions
9 Jun 2017 Lab 1 vote out of 241, 0.4%
8 May 2015 3 May 2017 Lab 2 votes out of 258, 0.8%
6 May 2010 30 Mar 2015 Lab 46 votes out of 909, 5.1%
5 May 2005 12 Apr 2010 Lab 238 votes out of 949, 25.1%
7 Jun 2001 11 Apr 2005 Lab 172 votes out of 729, 23.6%
1 May 1997 14 May 2001 Lab 77 votes out of 889, 8.7%
andrewreay
Member
Fine for him to follow his conscience, rather different for everyone else now he’s in charge.
Once again with feeling- voting with your conscience is defensible (and you'll notice he's taken no action whatsoever against people who've voted against him).
Insisting you have the right to local party loyalty and complaining about a no-confidence vote, while talking about abandoning your party- their party- and forming a breakaway rival party, is quite different.
Or, to put it a different way- you can't rationally defend someone for threatening to break away from their party, and at the same time criticise her party for wanting to break away from her. She's said she doesn't know if she wants to represent them any more but they're supposed to back her to the hilt? And that's where Corybn's voting record becomes relevant- he, the known rebel, still had the support of his local party members and his constituency. She can't say the same.
I smell a general election in the air
Let the monstering commence….
Giggle. Too right. What are they scared of?
Dangerous hero - backfired on twitter that one. Apparently he can't tell the difference between Heinz baked beans and Tesco home brand. Now I would mark him down for that as Crosse and Blackwell are the best.