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CTK -maybe the many were queuing up for food, in socialist, fraternal sympathy for the people of Venezuela when the photos that I've seen were taken.
There was enough space that even Jezza could have found somewhere to sit.
& loving the Toryboys jealousy that Labour can organise a festival & pull a crowd,
There are Labour boys who want out too ...
Loving the in the face banner ... LOL !
Cant disagree that Labour & Corbyn should have been doing much better as the tories squabble like drunken goblins over Brexit !
On the ground; I live in Milton Keynes we were canvassed quite a lot by labour activists before the last election & I had a full & frank discussion with the candidate over brexit on my doorstep!
Corbyn did come here last summer & was well received
but theres plenty that are afreared of the evil socialists & believe all the IRA bobbins, I know Ive spoken to them!
Murmurs from Robert Peston about a General Election for Autumn. Mainly because of the NHS spending 'increase' and messing with taxes (ditch the corp tax reduction?) that is possibly forthcoming; ready to sell to the public.
I imagine that's a best case scenario. Do we think she can limp on till the Autumn?
The NHS money does smack of desperate policy-making on the hoof.
What athgray says, up here Labour are pretty much invisible, I couldn't even tell you the leader of Scottish Labour's name, Richard something? who knows, but tbh, he follows a long line of useless irrelevants, Dugdale, Gray et al were all pretty much an embarrassment. It's quite something in Scotland for the leader of the Scots Tories to be more popular than their 'red' counterpart.
Despite coming from a working class background, and still remaining of that ilk, I'd vote SNP, Greens, LibDem, hell even the Tories before I'd put a X next to Scottish Labour...
For the simple reason that along with their complete incompetence to form a realistic challenge to the worst shower of lying shitebags in the history of the Westminster parliament, I haven't a foggiest what they actually stand for any more....
Scotland's a special case tbh, the party has basically fallen to bits and is still trying to figure out what to do next- but it'll be all about damage control and recovery rather than moving forward for the forseeable future. And as far as I can see, they don't seem to really have got to grips with the fact that they put a Tory government into power yet. There's a lot of Scottish floating voters that won't forgive that in a hurry
It's a sort of bitter irony... Back when Scottish Labour had decent leadership, Westminster famously treated them like a branch office. Corbyn on the other hand realised that he doesn't know Scotland, that the Westminster party struggled with them, and that there's a lot of resentment between the Scottish party and westminster, and decided to give them free rein- which could have been the right thing to do with a different leader but with Dugdale was just disastrous.
It's honestly pretty hard to see how it could have gone worse. Dugdale couldn't have done more damage if she'd been a Tory infiltrator, you basically had to watch from behind the sofa.
I'm not sure that Corbyn could have done a lot about it tbh, on the one hand he basically gave SLab the go-ahead to throw themselves off a cliff, but on the other if he'd tried to intervene he'd have been painted with the same brush as previous leaders and they'd probably have worked even harder to destroy themselves, then he'd get the blame anyway. And he had enough on his plate without trying to reverse a disaster that was 10 years in the making. But it's incredibly sad.
Jeremy has a notice outside his house:
Classy eh....
Just checking how many civilians the Israeli army have killed this year so far?
Yeah, that’s a pretty classy one. Amazes me just what right wing nut jobs will masturbate to sometimes.
For the Kremlin? Going to be a bit awkward when all the hard right agents turn up for their latest briefing.
Well that's me convinced, won't be voting for that evil genius again
Oh wait. ......
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/07/18/voting-intention-conservatives-36-labour-41-16-17-/
It's almost as if the more mud is slung the less people believe it.
Right-wingers always entertaining !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45438855
Is Blair right that Michael Foot tried to expel militant tendency Labour members? Google hasn't helped me.
The inquiry which led to the expulsions started under his leadership, and the decision to de-affiliate Militant was taken at the party conference. I'm not sure he gave expulsions his open support, though (may have even spoken against them). Kinnock was the party leader subsequently most associated with anti-Militant action. Corbyn, obviously, opposed these expulsions.
The inquiry which led to the expulsions started under his leadership, and the decision to de-affiliate Militant was taken at the party conference. I’m not sure he gave expulsions his open support, though (may have even spoken against them). Kinnock was the party leader subsequently most associated with anti-Militant action. Corbyn, obviously, opposed these expulsions.
Thanks that answers my question. I think of Kinnock as the guy who fought and defeated Militant, I hadn't thought about Foot in that context.
kind of obvious now that all the momentum and £3 members are the militant lot reapplying and no-one has checked the background
would also explain why Derek Hatton is crawling out from under his rock (and when I say rock I really should say 'multimillion pound house in Bowdon Cheshire' which I don't have a problem with him owning per se but do object to him playing the WorkingClassAverageBloke persona from that address)
**** me that militant lot have aged well! & also have managed to expand their numbers from 5000 to 100000. But yes obviously all these new Labour members are ex Militant.
Does this even need comment?
I suppose the comment would be, pick a polling company & see what you like in it?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1053973358310764545
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1048670298462150657
this one is more important tho
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1053905474117087232
It is deeply disturbing that Labour aren't ahead of the tories by around 7-8 points at the moment. An unpopular and divided party led by an unpopular PM. And just when the country needs a great PM in waiting. Oh well.......
Should also be alarming that you can vote multiple times on the YouGov website for the same poll. If those sorts of polls are on the website that is.
It is deeply disturbing that Labour aren’t ahead of the tories
Labour have much the same divide though with the added fun that its not just split over brexit but anything else the "moderates" dont like.
Polls have more often than not been wrong in the recent past. They've been wrong about Corbyn ffs. Why pay any attention to them?
I think survation was about right on the EU vote.
Nearly all of the polls are within the margin of error.
When Blair won the '97 election Lab had been polling 10 pts ahead for ages. With a significantly more shambolic govt even than Major's. Why's that not the case now? Here endeth this year's contribution to the thread...
I'd imagine that most people, when asked how they think the labour party are doing at the moment, would simply stare back blankly and say 'who?'
Still.... I'm sure theres probably been made some progress made towards getting some Blairite/Moderate/whatever candidate deselected in Telford or Stoke, and thats what really matters here comrades
When Blair won the ’97 election Lab had been polling 10 pts ahead for ages. With a significantly more shambolic govt even than Major’s. Why’s that not the case now?
A lot of things have changed in politics in the last 20 years - the rise of ignorant populism and anti-reason (Trump is the obvious example, but Brexit is another) so voters are not making a simple choice and polls are also not reflecting how people are thinking. Before the last GE jamba and binners were wittering about a Tory landslide. Jamba had the good grace to shut up afterwards.
To be polling 5 points behind this absolute carcrash, while continually going backwards, takes a truly unique talent
Any 'opposition' that isn't 20 points clear against this shower isn't really an opposition in any meaningful sense of the word, is it?
Anna Sourby is doing a far better job than the collective fumbling and ineffective navel-gazing of the labour front bench
Are they going to get round to articulating their vision for Brexit yet? Or just sit around with their thumbs up their arses for another few years, and hope something turns up?
The reason for the equal showing in the polls is partly the effect of constant mention of May and the tories in the papers and none for Corbyn no matter what he does. this always works in favour of the government no matter how bad the publicity as it puts them in the eye of the public.
Remeber how in the last election campaign when the campaign started and the press had to mention Corbyn and report what he did how much better he did in the vote than the polls stated?
The reason for the equal showing in the polls is partly the effect of constant mention of May and the tories in the papers and none for Corbyn no matter what he does. this always works in favour of the government no matter how bad the publicity as it puts them in the eye of the public.
so you are saying that all publicity is good publicity ?
How do you explain Miliband - he was all over the papers but it didn't help him...
Doesn't Millibean and the carefree innocent days of politicians being given grief for eating a bacon butty wrong now seem some like some long-departed era, back in the dim and distant mists of time?
Aaaaaahh ... fondly remembered golden days before every single member of the front benches of both parties were clearly insane and cspent their time cackling into the abyss while the countries economy crumbles around them
To be polling 5 points behind this absolute carcrash, while continually going backwards, takes a truly unique talent
I'd usually make a quip about voting for Owen Smith, then I remembered that you couldn't even be arsed to join the party.
Or just sit around with their thumbs up their arses for another few years, and hope something turns up?
I am sure whatever they do the "moderates" will do their normal frothing and ranting against them.Shame the moderates dont put half as much effort into articulating anything sensible themselves than wailing about Corbyn.
Even the tory nutters keep their hatred of May purely to brexit rather than anything and everything.
By the way. Signed up as a Labour member yet?
Could you detail the last time any moderates/blairites/whatevs did any 'wailing about Corbyn'?
I haven't heard any. But then I get my news from actual news sources, not the paranoid, delusional bunkers of left wing social meeja
Still holding the line that anyone who isn't a fully paid up member doesn't get to have an opinion, I see?
Its a good job its only those paid up party members who get to vote in general elections, isn't it?
Victory is assured!
Oh.... hang on a minute......
Constantly Binners. Still at it now although they have shut up a bit. HOdge attacks over the antisemitism nonsense for one
they are not moderates - they are rightwingers.
Ah yes... I forgot.
And the Guardian is a right-wing, corporatist mouthpiece of the military-industrilal complex as well.
Its ok... Ive got my left wing bearings now comrades
Carry on....
Binners - open your eyes man! He may not be perfect but he is a damn sight better than the other candidates were.
He is also still constantly under attack by labour rightwingers who will invent any sort of nonsense their hatred of him is so great.
Anna Soubry,for anyone who's remotely interested, was one of the most foul, nasty, unpleasant humans I have ever worked with, back in the day when she was a telly person. When I found out some years later she had become a Tory MP, I thought, well of course, what else could she become. Binners, you really do need to find some better people to look up too. It doesn't show you in a good light.
Tory MP in Not Being a Very Nice Person Shocka!
I couldn't give a toss! She's a politician. At least she's doing something at this critical juncture in our nations history!
Which is more than can be said as you survey the tumbleweed blowing across the benches opposite. And I'm talking about the whole labour party here. Not just the Corbyn worshippers. Absolutely totally, utterly and completely unworthy of the title HM Opposition.
Every single last one of them is as guilty of a total dereliction of duty when it comes to Brexit. They've done NOTHING! Just sat there with their thumbs up their arses and watch it unfold.
The labour party, in its present form, is patently unfit for purpose. If it was a dog, you'd have put it down 12 months ago
And the Guardian is a right-wing
No. There is no need for straw men if your glorious "moderates" are attacked. The Guardian position is firmly established although admittedly often misunderstood by raving righties. Its a centre left liberal paper which does have a range of columnists including some more left wing ones. Overall though it isnt the natural paper of where Labour is now and that is reflected in its coverage.
Still holding the line that anyone who isn’t a fully paid up member doesn’t get to have an opinion, I see?
No since I also express my opinion without being a member. However I am simply saying that if I had as strong opinion about it as you I would stop whining and put my money and time where my mouth is as a local party activist.
Join the millions of other "moderates" and bring Labour back to the glories of New Labour. Although of course you might run into the minor problem that there really isnt that many "moderates". I think this is why they get so excited about Corbyn since they liked being able to control a party and its large vote base. The problem is that trick only works for so long.
The thing about the labour rightwingers is that to accept Corbyn is right it means that they also have to accept they have wasted decades of their political careers going in the wrong direction. this their egos will not let them do and thus they invent utter nonsense about Corbyn to attack him - see the whole antisemitism row. Not once has anyone found anything remotely anti semitic about Corbyn but it doiesn't stop the attacks. He is anti isreal not anti semetic.
The thing about the labour rightwingers is that to accept Corbyn is right it means that they also have to accept they have wasted decades of their political careers going in the wrong direction.
To pick the most high profile and most critical example, yes, Corbyn/MacDonnel have been campaigning for 40 years to leave the EU, but I'm not convinced that Labour remainers are remainers purely because they can't accept they've been wrong for 40 years. You have to admit there's a reasonable case for being in the EU since 1975 and a case to remain in in future as well? The case for remaining can't be dismissed as refusal to accept being wrong.