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It all depends on what your opinion of what anti semitism is.
One end of the scale you have those who think it's people who hate all Jews full stop, the other end those who think it can be used against people who simply think Israel uses unreasonable force against innocent people.
I'd imagine more left wing people find Israel's actions unpalatable so if you lean towards that end of the scale when classing what is and isn't anti semitic it stands to reason you would think Labour has plenty of anti semitic members.
You mean a bit like how being opposed to multiculturalism and immigration isn’t necessarily a sign of racism?
I would suggest that the fear and suspicion of many in the Jewish world is that “acceptable” criticism of Israeli government policy is in fact being used as a tool by some/many to normalise and mask much deeper anti-Semitism and open hostility towards the existence of Israel as a nation and/or any two state solution. It gives succour to those whose ultimate goal is the violent destruction of Israel as a nation.
Supporting these people (those who are committed to wiping the nation of Israel off the map) and calling them your “friends” on the basis that you disagree with Israeli policy should be, to most people, abhorrent.
Very interesting to see the wider geo-political picture here, such as the recent interview with MBS:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/04/mohammed-bin-salman-iran-israel/557036/
It gives succour to those whose ultimate goal is the violent destruction of Israel as a nation.
It might. and that is made all the easier when self-appointed Jewish community leaders give knee-jerk endorsement of Israeli atrocities and condemn other Jewish groups as antisemitic.
There’s always different opinions in life
See what some arabs think about the actions of the Palestinians:
https://www.memri.org/reports/kuwaiti-columnist-slams-hamas-great-return-march
From the wiki page describing your 'source' memri - (Middle East Media Research Institute)
"The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born American political scientist."
I'd insert a laughing smiley here, but that button doesn't seem to exist anymore, ho hum.
What’s your point caller?
That because the source that reported and translated it is Jewish it means that Abdallah Al-Hadlaq isn’t in fact an Arab columnist who wrote an article in The Al-Watan newspaper criticising the Palestinians?
You didn’t engage in any way with what was said, just immediately dismissed the source because they were Jewish. How much more anti-Semitic can you get? You’re aware of the concept of ad-hominem attacks on the source being a form of logical fallacy I take it?
I'm sorry, but you're going to have to make more sense than that.
Put succinctly, the issue is whether you are disputing the source, or the accuracy of the article?
if the article is accurate, then your attack on the source is irrelevant.
I'm simply highlighting that the source may not be particularly reliable or balanced, given those who run it.
Whether it is or not, well that's up to those reading it to decide.
just immediately dismissed the source because they were Jewish. How much more anti-Semitic can you get?
I'm guessing that the religion/race of the author was less relevant than his being a former Israeli military intelligence officer.
Supporting these people (those who are committed to wiping the nation of Israel off the map) and calling them your “friends” on the basis that you disagree with Israeli policy should be, to most people, abhorrent.
You're partly correct. If Corbyn is guilty of anything, it's that in the post-Iraq period he was too close to people in the muslim community who were clearly anti-semitic. That's not to say he agreed with them though, and the same accusation could be levelled at tory MPs and ministers who ally themselves with people in the jewish community who are clearly anti-muslim. That's the thing with racism, it works both ways. In this case however it's only being applied to one side, and Corbyn is on record repeatedly denouncing racism in any form, which is not what you hear from pro-Israeli lot.
In this case however it’s only being applied to one side
This is a classic tactic employed here that has been used by the right wing in the US for years, get the "moderates" to denounce themselves, while the right continue with their disgusting behaviour.
That’s the thing with racism, it works both ways. In this case however it’s only being applied to one side
There is an important distinction there - The case law is (whether you like it or not) that Islam/Muslim is solely a form of religious belief rather than being recognised as carrying further characteristics categorising them as a racial group, like Judaism and Sikhism.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/racist-and-religious-hate-crime-prosecution-guidance
There is an important distinction there
No there's not. You're using pedantry to justify racism. You know full well that racism against muslims exists. If you're uncomfortable with that then in the context of Israel we can talk about racism against arabs. Either way it's racism.
You know full well that racism against muslims exists.
Who to believe, you or the law?
I even gave you the link to read it yourself...
Meanwhile in Israel, the Chief Rabbi calls black people monkeys.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-americans-to-monkeys/
Strange silence from all the committed anti-racists criticising Jeremy Corbyn.
Did you even read your own link ninfan? It directly contradicts you, unsurprisingly.
Who to believe, you or the law?
The law does not define biology, unfortunately for your argument. Anyway - the point at which you raise this diversion is generally the point at which any sensible discussion can be discounted, so that's me out of this strand of the conversation.
You mean a bit like how being opposed to multiculturalism and immigration isn’t necessarily a sign of racism?
If you like Ninfan but by the same token you either accept that not all the lefties that are currently being accused of anti semitism are actually anti semetic or that you and your ilk are actually racist. Up to you which one you choose.
I genuinely thought that was a joke when i first saw it. Rae Morris is good though.
Hip Hop Karaoke with Len McCluskey and the Unite Crew. Satire is dead.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1006932969389518849?s=19
I note a glaring omission in the line up
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What happened to the Croydon Communist anyway? I miss Ernie 🙁
I think we may have Corbyn's "Ed-stone".
He go to gulag, Comrade Binski.
I don't like crowds, so I might pop down.
actually, maybe not, I am fussy about the company I am found in.
what a f*** up - Peter Andre could pull in more people than Jezzer :
http://www.cityam.com/287361/labour-mps-urge-investigation-over-embarrassing-jezfest
Looks like some last minute changes in the line up Flashy:
Do you play with yourself before or after you post?
When there's a "Unite the Union Ice Cream Van", it's alread beyond parody.
I'm glad they found the space for a Unite ice cream van.
I bet the sprinkles were on strike though.
If we rush on over, there *might* still be an ice cream left:
https://twitter.com/freespirited_p/status/1008002429198262272?s=08
Woodstock:
Laughing stock:
They probably should have pointed it the other way....
cranberry. That made me LOL. Thanks.
For the few, not the many.
The Woodstock/laughing stock bit was shamelessly stole.. err..redistributed.
brilliant to see pressure on Corbyn over brexit!
& loving the Toryboys jealousy that Labour can organise a festival & pull a crowd,
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1008038190387748864
How much money do you think they lost Kimbers ?
Kimbers. Corbyn's weak stance over Europe is losing my vote. I do like the sign though. The fact they DID turn it the other way is great. I have to say, I am not that impressed by the turnout though. Steve Rider seems to have more people watching him than Jeremy Corbyn does.
no idea, depends how much they charge for the veggie burgers, if its glasto prices, theyll be minted!
So funny that people feel the need to select photos taken before breakfast to make a point 😆
Corbyn can draw crowds get over it!
agree that hes losing votes over brexit, well mine anyway & he certainly seems to have lost momentum of late 😉
They probably should have pointed it the other way….
https://twitter.com/ofocbrexit/status/1008044932932816897
seems to have lost momentum
😀
kimbers. I would love to vote for Labour, however I feel such a deep sense of disappointment with Corbyn. I hate going into cliche territory, but where are Labour on the ground? Where I live Labour have almost gone into hiding. I have only just found out that this event took place in North London, which is distant to most of the core support. Corbyn recently came up to my old home town where he stood on a back street for photos with a few loyal party supporters. Far from the vison of clench fisted throngs at this rally. Rightly or wrongly, the SNP manage to encapsulate the feeling of Labourfest in most towns and cities when a fairly prominent leader visits. Labour are dire at the minute. Any semi decent leader would be trouncing the Tories right now. I reckon if Andy Burnam had won the leadership contest originally, then he would be Prime Minister right now.