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They are now advocating breaking out the B52s and commencing carpet bombing of Iran, targeting power and desalination plants.
With planes being shot down where the US have "air superiority" they might want to rethink that.
It doesn't mean zero losses. There was complete air domination in Afghanistan and Iraq and aircraft were still lost.
the thing about the shaheds is that they are directed by gps
The footage i saw of a helicopter on the ground being targeted by a drone looked like it got to the area and was then 'looking' for the aircraft. It didn't fly straight line, and isn't that the point. It's a kamikaze attack but with the pilot several 10s or 100s of miles distant, and it's the cost of a cheap camera rather than the human, who can fly dozens of unsuccessful missions until they manage to exhaust or evade the defence.
Can they be sent by GPS but coordinates changed en masse once a visual is achieved, sort of a hybrid?
the thing about the shaheds is that they are directed by gps
The footage i saw of a helicopter on the ground being targeted by a drone looked like it got to the area and was then 'looking' for the aircraft. It didn't fly straight line, and isn't that the point. It's a kamikaze attack but with the pilot several 10s or 100s of miles distant, and it's the cost of a cheap camera rather than the human, who can fly dozens of unsuccessful missions until they manage to exhaust or evade the defence.
Can they be sent by GPS but coordinates changed en masse once a visual is achieved, sort of a hybrid?
It could be that you saw the drone overcome electronic countermeasures and re-aquire it's original target.
There's a couple of good articles floating around the web about the improvements Iran/Russia have made to the Shaheed series to remain effective when being (jammed).
There is rumoured to be a model with sensors so it could also be that.
It could be that you saw the drone overcome electronic countermeasures and re-aquire it's original target.
Potentially enabled with AI? Sent to the location then targets anything that looks like a target.
Maybe things like those planes getting shot down will make Congress or whoever start asking tougher questions about what exactly they're doing there.
It could be that you saw the drone overcome electronic countermeasures and re-aquire it's original target.
Potentially enabled with AI? Sent to the location then targets anything that looks like a target.
No idea. Could be, but that and sensors would push the cost up so using it to strike a troop carrying rotary platform on a dispersal seems a bit of a waste.
If it is equipped with electro-optic (EO) sensors it'll likely have a IR option. Could be launched in the direction then switch to a seeker option to find a nice source and kit it. After a day in the sun those aircraft will be bright.
The Russians have fitted theirs with some tech that is designed to work despite ECM interception. Some kind of burst transmitter/receiver that enables the UAV to maintain accuracy. No doubt the Russians would share this with their allies.
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I’m guessing that’s what normal people call a helicopter?
I know you live for being a bellend and jumping on my posts. How's about you have a day off?
I'll call it what I like, in whatever professional parlance I choose.
I'll call it what I like, in whatever professional parlance I choose.
Crack on, I find it highly amusing.
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I’m guessing that’s what normal people call a helicopter?
I know you live for being a bellend and jumping on my posts. How's about you have a day off?
I'll call it what I like, in whatever professional parlance I choose.
Rather than use such specific terminology which can appear nonsensical to the average layperson with zero knowledge of the military perhaps tame down your descriptions so that others may understand and appreciate your stance and position as a former military combatant
fire Hegseth and his henchmen and pretend to be the voice of sanity.
I think it's a given that Hegseth will be the one thrown under the bus first. He is probably only still there now to absorb as much of this mess whilst Trump wishes for an acceptable off ramp to appear.
Even Trumps previous biggest critics would not have expected him to cause this level of mess in his first 18mths .. from bad to worse every day
They've likely had the grid reference of the ramp parking spots for some time.
There was a KC135 hit the other week. Which rather suggests that the Iranians are aiming at grids on a map and hoping something's parked there rather than actively aiming at 'the thing parked at grid ref X'
Possibly covered already in the thread, but how come if I lose my phone I can track it to about 5 yards of its location. Likewise I have a 300 quid drone that if it malfunctions and lands a km away in a field I can find it due to tracking functionality
So how come they can't find an airman within 10 min? Obviously finding him and extracting him are different things...
Possibly covered already in the thread, but how come if I lose my phone I can track it to about 5 yards of its location. Likewise I have a 300 quid drone that if it malfunctions and lands a km away in a field I can find it due to tracking functionality
So how come they can't find an airman within 10 min? Obviously finding him and extracting him are different things...
They are unlikely to confirm they know where their aviator is until they're in the back of an aircraft. It wouldn't take a genius to figure it out a location if there was a pair of helicopters circling an area. It may be the rear-seater has gone to ground, especially if there's a concentration of personnel, civilian or otherwise nearby.
Direct comms with the person on the ground may be difficult due to a risk of compromise via the equipment they need to use. Could be complicated further if the rear-seater sustained any injuries. Especially anything that compromises their cognitive function, there's a lot of shit that needs to be remembered and processes to follow to be extracted safely.
They wouldn't go off a transponder alone without some form of confirmation, either by codeword or number from the individual. This is doctrine to prevent any rescue being lured into an ambush.
Makes sense..
I guess I was asking the question as I'd have thought if they knew where the guy was (or had a good idea) they'd be in and out quick sharpish..ie not flying round the area refulling whilst looking for him, and making themselves a target
But then again, maybe I've been watching too much delta force with Chuck Norris from the 80s.
Makes sense..
I guess I was asking the question as I'd have thought if they knew where the guy was (or had a good idea) they'd be in and out quick sharpish..ie not flying round the area refulling whilst looking for him, and making themselves a target
But then again, maybe I've been watching too much delta force with Chuck Norris from the 80s.
The Combat Search and Rescue bods in the US Air Force know their onions, many years of real experience of doing this with lessons learned from Vietnam through many modern conflicts. Lots of unknowns and information delays, so by the time the world hears an update, we're probably lagging quite a bit.
Which rather suggests that the Iranians are aiming at grids on a map and hoping something's parked there rather than actively aiming at 'the thing parked at grid ref X'
I am not sure about that. The reports are that the US spread out all the important stuff and didnt leave them in parking zone a.
The US aligned satellite photograph companies have placed temporary blocks on various parts of the middle east in response to potential use by Iran. It would make sense for the Russians though to send it over. After all their republican pets wont do anything in response.
They are now advocating breaking out the B52s and commencing carpet bombing of Iran, targeting power and desalination plants.
With planes being shot down where the US have "air superiority" they might want to rethink that.
It doesn't mean zero losses. There was complete air domination in Afghanistan and Iraq and aircraft were still lost.
The term "air superiority" was used by General Caine quite specifically and as RM suggests it doesn't mean that you won't be shot at.
It varies by area and also by altitude, so a B52 bomber might be quite safe at 36000 ft, but an A 10 on close sir support in the same area will have everything thrown at it.
So, Trumps saying that all hell will rain down if they don’t agree a deal. I know I’m trying to make sense of the nonsensical, but who does he think he’s threatening with this, surely him or his advisers must realise that the Iranians aren’t likely to be the least bit bothered, and if anything, are probably thinking “bring it”. Surely, it must be beginning to dawn on the most ardent of MAGAs that Trump is just a deranged old man that no one takes seriously.
So, Trumps saying that all hell will rain down if they don’t agree a deal. I know I’m trying to make sense of the nonsensical, but who does he think he’s threatening with this,
He's preaching to the 30% of Americans (his maga base) that run around with their dicks in their hands every time they see an explosion carried out by their rufty tufty boys in uniform (I say boys as the girls are removed, blacks/asians are removed)
Trump is learning that constantly issuing apocalyptic threats loses all potency after a while.
When you've 'rained down hell' a dozen times or more now and Iran shows no sign of capitulation you either dramatically escalate or try and claim the win and go home.
I think he's going to escalate, hence getting rid of the 3 generals for more pliable officials.
Trump is learning that constantly issuing apocalyptic threats loses all potency after a while.
It says a lot about his mentor that Putin didnt warn him about this. I mean how many times has Russia threatened nuclear armageddon in response to western countries providing equipment to Ukraine?
twitter being twitter (or X whatever)
2 versions of reality regarding the missing American airman
Trump is learning that constantly issuing apocalyptic threats loses all potency after a while.
When you've 'rained down hell' a dozen times or more now and Iran shows no sign of capitulation you either dramatically escalate or try and claim the win and go home.
I think he's going to escalate, hence getting rid of the 3 generals for more pliable officials
Absolutely on the Money! He’s presently discovering the difference between being the president and being a game show host.
When it all goes tits up you can’t just fire the writers and production team, because that’s just not going to make any difference.
But he’s so profoundly stupid that he’ll ignore the experts and think that if he just gets a new set of script writers and producers in then somehow they’ll shape the narrative to one where he ‘wins’.
Well the real world doesn’t work like that, dickhead! Especially when you’re up against a theological dictatorship (oh how he’d love to be that) which has been doing this ‘shaping narratives’ shit for 50 years now.
The only question now is whether he doubles down and starts carpet bombing or TACO’s it as he’s bored with real life not quite going like the comic book bullshit that goes on in his head
Unfortunately I also think he’ll double down and escalate for no other reason than the thin-skinned stroker is really pissed off at being shown up for the moron he is.
I can’t think of any other event in recorded history where throwing your toys out of the pram has ever worked as a successful military strategy
So the plan now is to bomb the civilians you claimed you were supporting a few months ago in the hope of putting pressure on a regime who have already shown that they don’t care about their own citizens.
Where do they find these strategic geniuses
Well the US airman they were looking for has been rescued. It will be no surprise that Trump led the rescue, from the front too by the sounds of his Truth media post.
As expected it was the biggest most daring rescue operation in the history of the USA, and US troops used the most lethal and most awesome weapons in the entire world to save this guy from about a million elite Iranian troops ..
Iran have said that the US bombed and killed 4 people in the area the US rescue took place. Its a pretty good guess the US bombed 4 locals who were probably in the area doing nothing more than tending to their goats.
Those goats hide the Iranian nukes. Didn’t you know
Some early reports of the F15 crew rescue, and its looking like much more of a palaver than pedros helicopter coming over to pick him up.
Theres burn out wreckage of C130 transport planes and at least one helicopter too. Obviously it's great that they got the airman, but i hope that a) there werent a bunch of casualties from the rescue b) the successful extraction wont encourage more boots on ground schenanigans
It would appear that the Iranians have developed passive IR/off-spectrum visual targeting systems that can’t be detected by US aircraft. Likely to result in use of more stand-off weapons, hit-and-run tactics i.e. less-accurate/greater collateral damage.
APN explaining in simple terms why the Strait of Hormuz is so difficult to reopen, why the US doesn't know how and why no one else wants to take hold of that particular shitty stick. The Donald has painted himself into an impossible corner due to ignorance and hubris. Escalation and probable significant loss of lives, including US military lives seems increasingly likely, if not inevitable. For what?
It seems that Trump has now been reduced to swearing at the Iranian regime…
Could even imagine sending that on a work email, never mind to the entire planet, as the President of The United States of America, on Easter Sunday!?!
Best wishes, DT
I mean I know we all keep saying that Trump's is a nutter, but I think we genuinely have to consider that he has actually lost his mind.
Trump's becoming a modern day Don Quixote. He also hated windmills.
I mean I know we all keep saying that Trump's is a nutter, but I think we genuinely have to consider that he has actually lost his mind.
Without doubt he's crazier than a shithouse rat.
I mean I know we all keep saying that Trump's is a nutter, but I think we genuinely have to consider that he has actually lost his mind.
Its difficult to come to any other conclusion. He's madder than a bucket of spiders!
Whats madder though is that his approval ratings with the 'Merican population are still at 39%, so over a third of 'Mericans think 'Yip, he's the guy for me!'
It would appear that the Iranians have developed passive IR/off-spectrum visual targeting systems that can’t be detected by US aircraft. Likely to result in use of more stand-off weapons, hit-and-run tactics i.e. less-accurate/greater collateral damage.
Passive systems like that have been around for a long time. It’s not a US aircraft issue either, it’s simply not possible to know if a visual system is tracking you as it’s not emitting anything to do so. If the missile is also being visually guided then you’ve got a real problem unless you’ve got a missile approach system that can pick it up in (a very short) time
It’s awesome that they’ve managed to rescue the backseater from that F15. Best Easter gift ever for his family. I was surprised to see that he was a colonel. I didn’t think they’d get to fly much?