[Closed] How come UN resolutions and the Geneva Convention don't apply to Israel?

Meanwhile leaders of Isis declare their intention to convert all of southern Europe into a caliphate, and its the zionists that are 'dangers to all humanity'. Get real.

the zionist movement already has control of global political infrastructures, banking infrastructures and many other pies...and you're worried about a bunch of bearded nut jobs wearing scarves? i think its you who needs to get real!!

the zionist movement already has control of global political infrastructures, banking infrastructures and many other pies...and you're worried about a bunch of bearded nut jobs wearing scarves? i think its you who needs to get real!!

And there we have it.

The Nazi came out of the closet.

Those forced and or voluntary expulsions mostly occured after the 1948 war, which the Arab world helped to start.

again blaming everyone else for your own actions (not you in the literal sense)...Israel is always the victim

the Arab world

Who is this "Arab world" of which you speak? Is there some monolithic group of people, who are all responsible for each other's actions?

And there we have it.

The Nazi came out of the closet.

because i question/condemn Israeli brutality on Palestinians i am an anti-semite and now a nazi??

i dont know if a should giggle quietly or piss myself laughing at that accusation!!

Is there some monolithic group of people, who are all responsible for each other's actions?

Wouldn't that be the Je....

Wouldn't that be the Je....

But I don't see anyone here criticizing the Jews, the "Jewish world", etc. I see criticism of the democratically elected government of Israel.

@ Binners - those extremists nut jobs as you put it have killed well over 150,000 people in Syria and Iraq. They have taken control of large areas in both countries, and continue to expand while declaring their intention to take over Europe.

And this you simply dismiss as spurious, joking about 'muslamic ray guns' as you do even though there is a death toll of 150,000+

You and the others here who are so concerned about justice, have you ever posted even a single post lamenting the situation? - no, you ridicule it, too busy defending a terrorist organisation from the 'injustices of Zionism'. well done.

samj - Member

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then,

I think that's a matter of where you're standing- if you're fighting to reclaim land that used to be yours and was taken from you against your will, would you think you're an aggressor? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't particularily consider the Israelis aggressors in that either mind. The whole "tit for tat" "you touched it last" mentality really falls down when you consider how shat upon both groups have been. But talk in recent days "This started because of a kidnapping" "This started because of a rocket attack", is just absurd really.

criticism of the democratically elected government of Israel.

careful with that....or we'll be accused of being anti-semetic or nazis

I think that's a matter of where you're standing- if you're fighting to reclaim land that used to be yours and was taken from you against your will, would you think you're an aggressor? I wouldn't.

Except most of them still had their homes and it was the 1948 war that triggered Israeli reprisals.

They might have actually kept them if they could have put their pride aside and lived in a Jewish state.

careful with that....or we'll be accused of being anti-semetic or nazis

I called you a Nazi after you trotted out the typical "Jews run the world" Nazi propaganda piece.

You and the others here who are so concerned about justice, have you ever posted even a single post lamenting the situation? - no, you ridicule it, too busy defending a terrorist organisation from the injustices of Zionism. well done.

seeing as this is being brought up...i dont think you enough about me or any other person who has commented on here to accuse them of the above.
we are on the thread talking about the behaviour of the Israeli government and only that thing in particular.
if you feel the need to discuss the actions of ISIS, the brutality taking place in Syria etc then i suggest you start a new thread and people will voice their opinions and contempt for those responsible for the atrocities that are taking place there.
as for this thread it is about Israel and what it is doing to the Palestinians...

Gonzy - you made the point that the whole world needs to fear zionism. I made the point that there are other things that are possibly, even for a muslim, more worrying. you made a point, i made a point. that is the nature of a discussion.

sami - correct me if I'm wrong, but whats happening in Syria is a civil war, right? Thats escalated into a neighbouring country. And its muslims killing muslims

So how does either that, or the proposed Euro-calliphate have any bearing on Israelis continued persecution of the Palestinians? Am I missing something here? Its completely irrelevant.

You seem to be desperately clutching at straws to try and justify Israel's behaviour, by spuriously trying to link it with completely unconnected events

I called you a Nazi after you trotted out the typical "Jews run the world" Nazi propaganda piece.

so you're telling me that the major political movements in the US and major financial institutions dont have a strong jewish control?

its not nazi propaganda...you choose to call it that so you dont have to face up to the truth

They might have actually kept them if they could have put their pride aside and lived in a Jewish state.

do you actually believe the tripe you're coming out with?!
so if i came and took over your home and told you to put your pride aside and accept what i'm doing to you as you're now living in MY house...you'd accept that?!

you're as ridiculously delusional in your denial of what Israel is doing as the tw@s who deny the holocaust ever took place

@ Binners...no he's trying to deflect the attention away from Israel's actions onto that of ISIS.

Sami - if you want to talk about Syria and what's going on there start a new topic and i'll gladly join you on there and discuss it with you as would a lot of others
but like binners said we're talking about Israel's persecution of the Palestinians...so lets keep it on that topic.

Tom_W1987 - Member

They might have actually kept them if they could have put their pride aside and lived in a Jewish state.

Good point. So I'm moving into your house tomorrow, you can live in the garden, just swallow your pride.

you can live in the garden

@ Binners - those extremists nut jobs as you put it have killed well over 150,000 people in Syria and Iraq. They have taken control of large areas in both countries, and continue to expand while declaring their intention to take over Europe.

And this you simply dismiss as spurious, joking about 'muslamic ray guns' as you do even though there is a death toll of 150,000+

You and the others here who are so concerned about justice, have you ever posted even a single post lamenting the situation? - no, you ridicule it, too busy defending a terrorist organisation from the 'injustices of Zionism'. well done.

A) That's just irrelevant whataboutery
B) You seem to be comparing yourself to a bunch of fanatical nutjobs and saying 'we're not as bad as them, why not criticise them instead?'

Israel likes to claim to be a modern, democratic state doesn't it? So you are held to the standards expected of a modern democratic state not those of extremist terrorists.

<aside- we have 2 different organisations on campus called ISIS, it's a popular acronym... So the signs saying "ISIS stands up against bullying" and news story "ISIS aquires new space on campus" are a bit mixed message>

Meanwhile:

Ashraf al-Qidra said the total number of Palestinians killed over the past three days now stands at 77, with over 500 people injured in the tiny coastal strip. There have been no Israeli casualties from the hundreds of rockets that have been fired by militants in Gaza.

There are also claims that a missile was fired at a cafe in Khan Younis late on Wednesday night, where dozens were gathered to watch the World Cup game between Argentina and Holland – with six dead and 15 injured, according to AFP.

The Israeli defence forces said in a statement that it had targeted hundreds of sites in Gaza and killed three Islamic Jihad militants.

Killed 3 "militants" and 74 civilians. "Purity of arms". Right.

Actually binners its was absolutely relevant to Gonzy's preceding comment on zionism- see above

There is now an additional point though; there is rampant hypocrisy involved in being 'completely outraged' by the civilian deaths in Palestine while willfully ignoring or even mocking a far greater number of deaths in neighboring countries, and all because 'it's not the right thread'.

EDIT:Two wrongs dont make a right and because someone other wrong is "greater" than your your is still not defendable. Pol pot is not ok because stalin was worse.
Secondly you are trying to get us to discuss something other than Israel hence why folk are refusing.
ORIGINAL
Nice post by Binners over the last few pages

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

When israel kills children it is someone else fault, when israel steals land after a war [ illegal ] it is someone else fault

Its basically israel is always right no matter what it does

For the record what action that israel has done do you dislike or disapprove of , if any?

There is now an additional point though; there is rampant hypocrisy involved in being 'completely outraged' by the civilian deaths in Palestine while willfully ignoring or even mocking a far greater number of deaths in neighboring countries, and all because 'it's not the right thread'.

So in order to be allowed to criticise one wrong thing, we have to criticise all the other wrong things in the world first (after ranking them in order of wrongness)?

😕

Killed 3 "militants" and 74 civilians. "Purity of arms". Right.

Ah but remember it's all the civilians own fault for living near the militants (in the overcrowded refugee camps they've been herded into after having their homes bulldozed and their land stolen).

what i do have a major issue with is Zionism and all that it stands for...i truly believe its agenda isnt for the benefit of the Jewish faith but is something that is truly sinister and dangerous to all of humanity.

you mean this comment? try reading it to see what i actually said. there is an increasing proportion of the Orthodox Jewish populace that seem to agree with this and are also strongly voicing their condemnation of the Zionist movement...
if i remember correctly i got accused of being a nazi for pointing this out...
someone once told me "if you point the finger of blame at everyone else and do it loudly then no-one will see the wrongs you are doing"...seems to me thats what's going on here by bringing ISIS into the discussion

No Grum it is hamas fault as the fact fewer israel civilians die shows that Israel care more about their civilians - yes this was said on here ignoring the fact that Israel was the one killing the civilians

65% of Palestinians are opposed to a two state solution. Hamas and the PA should stop peddling dreams.

Interesting article in the Independent, which specifically references the spurious ISIS links

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-true-gaza-backstory-that-the-israelis-arent-telling-this-week-9596120.html ]The true Gaza backstory that the Israelis arent telling this week[/url]

[i]Meanwhile, that great leftist Israeli philosopher Uri Avnery – 90 years old and still, thankfully, going strong – has picked up on his country’s latest obsession: the danger that Isis will storm west from its Iraqi/Syrian “caliphate” and arrive on the east bank of the Jordan river.

“And Netanyahu said,” according to Avnery, “if they are not stopped by the permanent Israeli garrison there (on the Jordan river), they will appear at the gates of Tel Aviv.” The truth, of course, is that the Israeli air force would have crushed Isis the moment it dared to cross the Jordanian border from Iraq or Syria.

The importance of this, however, is that if Israel keeps its army on the Jordan (to protect Israel from Isis), a future “Palestine” state will have no borders and will be an enclave within Israel, surrounded on all sides by Israeli-held territory. [/i]

No Grum it is hamas fault

Correct JY, though not what you meant.
Which what happens when you quote partially / out of context.

I googled that claim

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=65%25+of+Palestinians+are+opposed+to+a+two+state+solution&oq=65%25+of+Palestinians+are+opposed+to+a+two+state+solution&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

the first link is this

http://www.fpri.org/articles/2014/02/opening-peace-israelis-palestinians-and-two-state-solution

very detailed over time as well includign boith Israel and Palestines

Nice chart as well basically your wrong in your claim

for example

Borders: The entirety of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip would make up Palestine, with the exception of 3% of the West Bank (to account for Jewish settlements). There would be proportional land swaps to make up for this.

More palestinians support this than Israelis

Pfft facts eh

Junkyard - lazarus
I googled that claim

Scamp! It's okay though, he's not actually here.

I am just hoping he does no think I am a racist 😉

sam j your full quote

The casualty figures reflect the fact that Israel cares a lot more about its civilian population than Hamas does about its own. You can be sure that if Hamas were fighting Hizbullah the casualty figures would be higher on both sides, as is evidenced by the Hizbullah/Isis fight in Lebanon, where casualty figures are completely off the scale.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-come-un-resolutions-and-the-geneva-convention-dont-apply-to-israel/page/2#post-6150919

IMHO you blame them for Israel killing civilians which is odd to say the least

given you do this about Israel it can , literally, in your eyes, do no wrong

Again what have they done you would like to publicly criticise?

JY. Thank you for the quote. If you read further up on the link, you will see that its related to my first post that says owing to the heavy investment that Israel has made in developing its iron dome system for the protections of its citizens, the casualty figures on the Israel side are a lot lower than they would be. This does not imply that Israel can do no wrong

Hamas are responsible for civilian deaths in that, for every rocket fired, there will be an attempt to destroy the launcher(s) by the IDF. That is the simple tit for tat exchange that now exists. Hamas know that, yet they continue to fire rockets at Israel, in full knowledge that this will kill civilians located near launchers. This, while the Hamas elite sit comfortably in the underground network of bunkers they have built themselves with money from organisations that don't regard them as terrorists organisations that was supposed to be channeled into protecting precisely those citizens they have exposed above them.

Tom_W1987 - Member

Where as I think that it's a shocking indictment of all of humanity that after nearly two millennia of oppression, forced expulsions, pogroms, lynchings etc etc ad nauseum.....

What a ridiculous argument to use to defend the terrible injustices meted out to the Palestinian people.

What American Jew living today in Israel does so because they faced oppression, lynching, forced expulsions, etc, in the US ?

I said earlier on this thread that there is no justification whatsoever for a British Jew such as Dame Shirley Porter, for example, to own land and/or live in Palestine.

Can anyone provide a sensible explanation to suggest otherwise ?

That's a genuine question btw as it goes to the very crux of the issue, answer it satisfactory and imo you've made the case for the Israeli state, if you can't answer it then the existence of the Israeli state cannot be justified imo.

So why does Dame Shirley Porter have the right to own and live on land taken from the Palestinians ?

Hamas are responsible for civilian deaths in that, for every rocket fired, there will be an attempt to destroy the launcher(s) by the IDF.

Your view is dangerously one sided here. FWIW I am not massive fan of Hamas then again I am not a massive fan of collective punishment or killing civilians. Would you like to criticise Israel for this?
If you are just going to be one sided again[ and not criticise Israel at all]then just ignore me a it is a pointless "debate" as you voiew can be summed up as

My country right or wrong

Are hamas reaponsible for the illegal use of white phosphorus in densley populated areas to the point where human rights watch have indicated that it should be treated as a war crime? Oh no that was those peace loving neighbours just helping out by maiming women and children.

Are hamas reaponsible for the illegal use of white phosphorus in densley populated areas to the point where human rights watch have indicated that it should be treated as a war crime? Oh no that was those peace loving neighbours just helping out by maiming women and children.

well who else you gonna blame....Israel??
obviously its the fault of Hamas and every living Palestinian...they are to blame for the dehumanising and illegal treatment meted out them by the Israeli government...why would you think the Israeli's are responsible for anything they do?

It really is quite simple Israel hasnt got a leg to stand on currently with the way it is treating the Palestinains, it is abhorent, wrong, cruel and vindictive.

Forget the stuff in the past with the holocaust, the Yom Kipur war(sp) the 6 day war the PLO, Munich and all the other stuff that has happened.

Israel should stop killing Palestinian women and children now end of.

I N R A T S but, one word...
GLOBALZIONISTCONSPIRACY

I said earlier on this thread that there is no justification whatsoever for a British Jew such as Dame Shirley Porter, for example, to own land and/or live in Palestine.

So why does Dame Shirley Porter have the right to own and live on land taken from the Palestinians ?

They need the manpower to fight.

Whether you like it or not the Israelis think they are fighting a war for their own survival. I can understand their viewpoint from a psychological perspective. If I'd grown up in that culture, with their history, I don't think I'd have an qualms being a Viper pilot and putting 500lb bombs through the roofs of houses in Gaza.

So it comes down to this, how do you intend to remove that attitude from Israelis, when ceasefires are continually broken by both sides....leading to this childish "you did it first" crap that we even see on this forum.

They need the manpower to fight.

So you can't think one single valid reason why Dame Shirley Porter should be allowed to own and live on Palestinian land. Well there's a surprise.

I don't think I'd have an qualms being a Viper pilot and putting 500lb bombs through the roofs of houses in Gaza.

I don't know if that was supposed to be some sort of joke but right there you completely destroyed your credibility, and exposed just how morally bankrupt supporters of Zionism are.

exposed just how morally bankrupt supporters of Zionism are.

well what did you expect when members of the Israeli government openly declare that their only solution to this is to carry out a mass genocide on the Palestinian population...this government policy/attitude then become the normal way of thinking for the general Israeli population as it is fed more lies and propaganda by the Israeli govt. and media...feed them enough lies and they'll soon be brainwashed into thinking that is perfectly normal to torment and even kill Palestinians...and if anyone says anything about it...its the fault of Hamas/the Palestinian people

Nope, don't see that Ernie.

I wasn't making an argument for them in that post, I was saying I understand why they are the way they are.

Here we go, here's something a bit more nuanced.

Considering that rather damning report about the Israeli collective Psyche, do you not think that the world would be better off trying to engage the Israelis rather than blaming/damning them for everything they do? And that the whole "the Palestinians as victims" dialogue is actually backing Israel further into a corner and making it act like a rabid dog?

well what did you expect when members of the Israeli government openly declare that their only solution to this is to carry out a mass genocide on the Palestinian population...this government policy/attitude then become the normal way of thinking for the general Israeli population as it is fed more lies and propaganda by the Israeli govt. and media...feed them enough lies and they'll soon be brainwashed into thinking that is perfectly normal to torment and even kill Palestinians...and if anyone says anything about it...its the fault of Hamas/the Palestinian people

The exact same argument could be made about Hamas and Palestine. They are far from being the innocent bystanders you make them out to be.

Where did you get the "jews run teh worldzzz" attitude from anyway? Jihadist websites?

Develop some actual critical thinking guys, instead of just going with whats in fashion or what's in the media.

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” ? Mark Twain

I'm bored of this argument already.....no real challenge.

Where did you get the "jews run the world" attitude from anyway?

I'm sorry you are deeply confused, I haven't made any ridiculous claim that "jews run the world".

You are clearly imagining stuff which along with your complete inability to provide a single valid reason why a British Jew such as Dame Shirley Porter, for example, should have the right to live on Palestinian land, suggests a complete inability on your part to come up with any sort of coherent argument.

The best you can come up with is that you wouldn't have any qualms about dropping 500lb bombs through the roofs of houses in Gaza. Which I guess says everything we need to know.

EDIT : Why have you edited "Where did you get the "jews run the world" attitude from anyway?" to "Where did you get the "jews run teh worldzzz" attitude from anyway?"

Did you think it would be more amusing ? 🙄

They are far from being the innocent bystanders you make them out to be.

I dont think anyone denies that [ some of] the palestinians need to change their attitudes. Its unlikely that current israeli policies will lead to an outbreak of brotherly love and mutual respect.

That wasn't aimed at you Ernie but Gonzy.

Stop resorting to emotional attacks and use some of your intellect. I was simply stating that I don't think I'd be better than any Israeli soldier or politician given the circumstances.

Who has said they are. however what this shows all but the zionists is that if you rob people of their country, encircle their land, deprive them of trade, resources and water, shoot them, murder them and bomb them from the skies that some of them will bet angry enough to fight you. It does not make it their fault when they respond?

Maybe they should recognize and come to terms with their role in the 1948 war?

Tell me Junky, do you think you are doing any good by feeding in to the meme that it's mostly all Israels fault? Do you actually think that attitude is conducive to peace?

That wasn't aimed at you Ernie but Gonzy.

So why did you start your post thus :

Tom_W1987 - Member

Nope, don't see that Ernie.

I wasn't ......

You really are confused.

Dude, I quoted Gonzy or do you want me to double post to respond to different people?

Yes of course, say Ernie when you mean Gonzy.

Anyhow, since not only are you not making any sense, or providing any sort of intelligent argument, and now you've started calling me "dude", I think I'll leave it there.

do you not think that the world would be better off trying to engage the Israelis

The world has done nothing BUT engage the Israelis, giving them preferential trade status, taking part in educational exchanges, supplying them with military and nuclear technology, and giving them an easy ride in the media and an upper hand in negotiations. The result is, as we see, that they take all that as though they have a right to it, and demand ever more.

TOM do you think you are doing any good by feeding in to the meme that it's [s]mostly[/s] not at all Israels fault? Do you actually think that attitude is conducive to peace?

If you treat people like animals they will behave like animals

I clearly stated in that post and others that [ some of ] the Palestinians are also to blame for the current situation

However the fact remains if you steal someones house and then hit them with a stick over and over again eventually they will strike back. It wont ever bring about peace. You know this as well hence why you dont even remotely respond to this point.

of course both sides need to change.

The world has done nothing BUT engage the Israelis, giving them preferential trade status, taking part in educational exchanges, supplying them with military and nuclear technology, and giving them an easy ride in the media and an upper hand in negotiations. The result is, as we see, that they take all that as though they have a right to it, and demand ever more.

Correction, the yank military industrial complex has. But outside of the US and Britain, the rest of the world really has not..... for about 20 years now.

Is all of Israel Palestinian land or was there ever a land purchase agreement?

Also any mention of Israeli Arabs who stayed after 1948, make up appx 20pct of the population - both Christian and Muslim - who have equal rights, are judges, members of the knesset etc.

Odd that for such an oppressive regime, muslims, Christians, druze can and do volunteer for the IDF. See Herev Batallion and Bedouin trackers unit for instance.

Odd that for such an oppressive regime, muslims, Christians, druze can and do volunteer for the IDF.

It's really quite unbelievable that anyone could try to make such a suggestion. The SADF (South African Defence Force) had black volunteers, does that mean that the Apartheid Regime didn't oppress the black majority ?

I guess when you are used to swallowing Zionist propaganda the absurdity of it all must fly straight over your head.

There were Jews in the Wehrmacht too btw.

Sorry are you suggesting any of the above is untrue?

A Druze officer now heads up the Golani Brigade. Israeli Arabs are in parliament.

And that as mentioned above Israeli Arabs or any other people with citizenship for that matter have full democratic rights, does that still constitute apartheid?

Seems that if isn't in the Guardain, can't be true.

Hardly Zionist propaganda. Look it up.

Woosh!

80 dead to Israeli air strikes, so far, god knows how many injured

0 dead from Palestinian rockets

More by chance and having the Iron Dome in place. But if and when that changes, would that make things better?

Last week a Gazan 3 yr old girl was killed when a rocket from Gaza landed on her.

No interest to the UK press unless fired from Israel. Or am I wrong?
No doubt one of you will be along to tell me so shortly.

can you say its wrong to kill folks and say its wrong for Israel to kill folks ? can you ?

Hamas killing folk is bad now over to you...go on give it a go.

If not you really should sort out your own one sided view rather than criticise others for it and invest in acquiring a moral compass 😥

Woosh + 1

Killing on either side is wrong, appalling and should have stopped years ago.

Here's something that Israelis state constantly, that they hope the situation will be better when their kids grow up and won't have to go to the military. It isn't a choice, it is and has been a necessity.

As for the moral compass, really?

In the UK, you don't get all the facts, you get a news story.

As mentioned previously, all I have attempted to do here is point out aspects that don't make the UK press that perhaps my ads something to the one sided views I have seen here.

Anything positive to say about Israel, anyone ? Bueller? Bueller ?

Anything positive to say about Israel, anyone ? Bueller? Bueller ?

It's great !

nim - instead of yet more whataboutery from you, how about answering this. Do you think Israel's current actions (and all those casualties as a result) are:

a) Proportionate?
b) Likely to be effective?

Killing on either side is wrong, appalling and should have stopped years ago.

One side is doing the vast, vast majority of the killing - and it's not the terrorists of Hamas.

In the UK, you don't get all the facts, you get a news story.

Where do you get your information from then?

Anything positive to say about Israel, anyone ? Bueller? Bueller ?

I hear there's a good PsyTrance scene, if that's your thing.

Anything positive to say about Israel, anyone

when they say they are leaving a thread they mean it ??

they understand sarcasm?

Mordechai Vanunu - that is a great name IMHO and a brave fellow

Amram Mitzan . Lt colonel Eli and his 27 mates very positive examples of true heroes from the IDF.

This summs up nicely:

Best post for a while. Just hope the ending isn't accurate.

I am reminded of an interview on the BBC with Israeli author Amos Oz conducted in the Negev desert near his home in Arad. He was looking out across the rocky wilderness, and noted that the same rocks had been lying there since prehistoric times, and had been fought over by so many different armies throughout history, and that when the Israelis and Palestinians have passed from memory, the same rocks will still be there baking in the sun.

nim - Member

And that as mentioned above Israeli Arabs or any other people with citizenship for that matter have full democratic rights, does that still constitute apartheid?

[b][i]"There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures"[/i][/b]

[url= http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database ]Discriminatory Laws in Israel[/url]

[url= http://www.amnesty.org.uk/discrimination-against-palestinians-israel#.U780u0D5fSg ]Amnesty International UK - Discrimination against Palestinians in Israel[/url]

[url= http://www.cjpmo.org/DisplayDocument.aspx?DocumentID=219 ]Israel: A Democracy for Jews Only - Abuses Against its Palestinian-Arab
Citizens[/url]

[url= http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/the-laws-that-enshrine-israel-as-a-racist-state/ ]The laws that enshrine Israel as a racist state[/url]

[url= http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/a/GetDocumentAction/i/6677 ]Political Discrimination Against Arab Citizens of Israel[/url]

[url= http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/opinion/22iht-edtibi.html?_r=0 ]The Other Citizens of Israel[/url]

Cannot wait to hear Nin blame them for this or suggest we read another media source ...perhaps he will call the posting of facts anti semitic?

Where did you get the "jews run teh worldzzz" attitude from anyway? Jihadist websites?

no i read news articles from across the globe....seems to be a lot of people out there who also believe this to be true....
i also like the way that you've managed to bring a whole new dimension to this debate...you've got nowhere with accusing me of being an anti-semite and a nazi...now you're going to suggest that because i am a muslim i must be getting my info from jihadist websites...therefore snidely accusing me of being a jihadist....
your comment now makes you one of 2 things...you're defending Israel becasue you either have a hatred of Palestinians because of their race which makes you a racist or because of their religion which makes you an islamophobe...

a few examples of Israeli kindness...

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing civilians including children?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International fordemolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States , according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S. ?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections? ?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
Answer: Israel
Question: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
Answer: Israel
Question: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East created millions of refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?Answer: Israel
Question: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
Answer: Israel
Question: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents from USA and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union ?
Answer: Israel
Question: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
Answer: Israel
Question: What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?
Answer: Israel
Question: What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque.?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a civilian U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana , Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid to the world yet is the 16th richest country in the world?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America ?"
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing?
Answer: Israel
Question: Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?
Answer: Israel

@ gonzy sounds like you have a complete hatred of Israel judging by your recent posts !

talk about twisting mate

your comment now makes you one of 2 things...you're defending Israel becasue you either have a hatred of Palestinians because of their race which makes you a racist or because of their religion which makes you an islamophobe

not once has anyone said they dislike Palestinians as a people what they don't like is Hamas...

Why shouldn't Israel have nuclear weapons ? Every other 1st world country has them...

@ gonzy sounds like you have a complete hatred of Israel judging by your recent posts !

I have a complete hatred of Israel which is indisputably a racist state, in exactly the same way as I had a complete hatred for the South African Apartheid state.

I would expect anyone who believes in justice to share in this hatred. I would consider any accusation of supporting Israel an insult, you can't both support Israel and support justice, the two are incompatible. As it would have been incompatible to support both the South African Apartheid state and justice.

I do of course however make a distinction between hating a state and hating people. I hate the ideologies that some people are committed to but not necessarily the people who espouse them. I consider hating people wholly unacceptable.

a few examples of Israeli kindness...

Third video - recognise the location?

@ gonzy sounds like you have a complete hatred of Israel judging by your recent posts !

talk about twisting mate

why, because i'm showing Israel for what it really is?
we are discussing the actions of Israel in its systematic genocide/ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and if that makes me a hater of Israel then so be it...i havent once said that i have a hatred for the Israeli people. i've repeated on a number of occasions that my anger/hatred and condemnations are toward the country of Israel and its Zionist government
i'm not the one twisting things mate...so if you're going to lift one of my comments i'd rather you quoted it in its entirety rather than cherry picking the bits that you think will make me look like bad...what i said was aimed at Tom_W1987 who seems to have an issue with my comments in particular...and this is after he's called me a nazi and a jihadist...

[b]why, because i'm showing Israel for what it really is?[/b]
i'm not the one twisting things mate...we are discussing the actions of Israel in its systematic genocide/ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and the events in Syria are dragged in to deflect the attention (not by you but by another user who seems to be pro-Israeli)
also if you're going to lift one of my comments i'd rather you quoted it in its entirety rather than cherry picking the bits that you think will make me look like bad...what i said was aimed at Tom_W1987 who seems to have an issue with my comments in particular...and this is after he's called me a nazi and a jihadist...

But are you though ? Not really... maybe to this forum or any other you may go on but the rest of the world...

So if I stared saying how bad ****stan are would you mind ? Both countries are responsible for terrible things but yet it never gets said. ( ****stan as an example)

I'm mystified by the purpose of your last post ninfan, what exactly is the point you are trying to make ?