Hamas are a terrorist organisation,
What exactly do you define as "terrorist", beyond "someone you don't agree with" ??
doubt anyone here would care for them as their government.
Well, obviously Palestinians are mentally defective, because they voted for Hamas, right? Or is it that normal sane people are put into such an intolerable situation that they act out of despair and choose any path other than the one that has brought them to such misery ??
Its absolutely the truth, and more importantly, it is the only way to save further bloodshed.
hamas rockets target israels nuke research facility
Thats a nice sensationalist headline the Sun would be proud of. The truth is; I could target a nuclear research facility if I wanted too. Maybe I could throw some house bricks at it. I'd probably have about the same degree of success. Don't let that stop your indignant, blinkered outrage though.
Take a look at what the Israelis are 'targeting'? It seems that everything, and everybody is fair game as far as they're concerned
Anyway..... would that be the nuclear research facility that develops the nuclear weapons (WMD's?) that they definitely don't have? Which leads us straight back to the original question.....
Israel has a track record in invading Gaza on trumped-up accusations. It was the same last time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War
In the month prior to the 4th of November, Israel-Palestinian violence fell to its lowest level since the start of the al-Aqsa intifada in September 2000. Several Israeli violations were reported: In South Gaza on 3 October the IDF fired on two unarmed Palestinians near the border and sent soldiers into the strip to arrest them and detain them in Israel. On the 27 October IDF soldiers fired into Gaza for unknown reasons damaging a school in Khuza and injuring one child. Palestinian fishing boats off the Gaza coast were fired upon on four separate occasions during the month wounding two fisherman. Throughout the month of October 2008 a single Palestinian violation was reported: 1 rocket was fired into Israel causing no damage or injuries. At the end of the month the American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sent a message to Hamas acknowledging their efforts to keep the peace.[89]
Rockets were being fired from Gaza long before the boys were kidnapped. It just doesn't make the UK press.
samj - MemberIts absolutely the truth, and more importantly, it is the only way to save further bloodshed.
Bombing Gaza back to the stone age is the only way to save further bloodshed? Working well so far...
So you do think its okay to fire at it then ?
You're views are simply crazy !
I have no further comments to make
Are you this passionate about other countries that are involved in similar atrocities ? Or just the ones that receive media coverage ?
Take a look at what the Israelis are 'targeting'? It seems that everything, and everybody is fair game as far as they're concerned
I think you'll find Hamas are forcing innocent people to be targets...let's not forget that
Are you this passionate about other countries that are involved in similar atrocities ? Or just the ones that receive media coverage ?
No... my views are restricted exclusively to this conflict. I don't apply the afore-mentioned views on social justice, international law, or oppressive regimes to anything else at all. Why would I? I just use this as a chance to voice my obvious antisemitism. Same as everyone else on this thread
🙄
No Lifer, Hamas stopping rocket fire is the only way to save further bloodshed. Maybe read it twice this time.
I think you'll find Hamas are forcing innocent people to be targets...let's not forget that
By that same logic, the people building illegal settlements on occupied land are doing exactly the same
"Israel, the United States,[8] Canada,[9] the European Union,[10][11] Jordan,[12] Egypt[13] and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization"
Rockets were being fired from Gaza long before the boys were kidnapped. It just doesn't make the UK press.
So you are calling Netanyahu and Peres liars when only a few days ago they said that Israel would seek retribution for the murder of the three teenagers ?
[url= http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.602235 ]Netanyahu on murders of three Israeli teens: Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay[/url]
[i] Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday evening that "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay."
President Shimon Peres said Israel's retribution would be harsh. [/i]
No mention anywhere about Israel being attacked by rockets. And that's not "the UK press". Stop talking nonsense, it's not helping you.
So you do think its okay to fire at it then ?
That's not what he said is it. It's just a totally ineffectual gesture done by desperate people which has little relevance to anything.
Meanwhile a military superpower continue to use the vast resources they have available to murder countless times more civilians than Hamas ever will. Remind me who the terrorists are again?
Settlements are a problem but there was terrorism before 1967 predating settlements. Settlements alone will not stop Hamas and the like.
Hamas fire rockets from schools, hospitals, mosques etc. A known tactic.
So you tell me as I am clearly talking nonsense, how many rockets this year from Gaza ?
Settlements are a problem but there was terrorism before 1967 predating settlements. Settlements alone will not stop Hamas and the like.
You mean like the terrorism that founded Israel in the first place? Or does it only count as bad terrorism when it's Muslims that do it?
Nim you are wasting your time and effort !
I know I said I won't comment anymore well this is my last comment !
For a bunch that don't want to be anti-Semites you are doing a great job...
A UN vote founded Israel.
Your comment doesn't merit a response, childish
Its obvious whats going on if you look at those land maps a few pages back. Genocide , ethnic cleansing call it what you want the Israelis are not going to stop till they have it all and they will do it by playing the victim time and time again same old charade. Its good to see posters on this thread speaking up for the truth because its glaringly obvious that the life of a Palestinian is not comparable to the life of an Israeli.
So just to summarise for you... anyone who thinks that 'collective punishment' of a civilian population, by the massively disproportionate aggression of an illegally occupying power, is maybe a bit out of order, is an anti-semite?
Seems reasonable to me. You should see my Nazi memorabilia collection. I'm very proud of all my SS officers uniforms 🙄
lalazar- from the comments section of the Guardian of all places!:
If the world thinks Israelis are worth more than Palestinians, it's fundamentally because the Palestinians think so too. The Palestinian leadership are happy to see their own people brutalised and impoverished just so they can inflict strategically meaningless levels of damage upon Israel. In fact, the the Palestinian political class have a direct personal financial interest in the degradation of their fellow citizens. The whole corrupt money-go-round of international support that allows them to live luxurious lifestyles depends on the immiseration of their own people.
"Israel, the United States,[8] Canada,[9] the European Union,[10][11] Jordan,[12] Egypt[13] and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization"
You didn't answer my question - what does "terrorist" actually mean.
As someone who has friends from many backgrounds the single largest thing that f@@k's up their views are faith.
How a religious group can jump to the defence of their fellow man while they commit various disgusting acts is beyond me, I am not singling out any religion here as they all do it as can be so evidently seen in this thread!
The whole situation is utterly disgusting and allowed to go on because of the simple fact that Jewish people 'run' modern society, from the banking structure (US Federal reserve amongst others) to politics - Especially evident in the USA.
How the F@@k can anyone justify surrounding a country and dictating what comes in and out?!! - Has anyone seen the thread on pinkbike where the Palestinian makes his own headset top-cap? - Someone asked why he didn't just order such a simple item: "because it would not be allowed through Israeli border checks" - What has it got to do with them?!
I am not a racist, I do not hate Jews as doing so would be applying a blanket view to an individual so don't accuse me of that.
I am opting out of the rest of this thread as the situation makes me mad as it is without hearing the kind of tripe that is given in response to the behaviour of Israel....
lalazar- from the comments section of the Guardian of all places!:
Yes there are rent-a-comment astroturfers also in the Guardian. The Israeli propaganda machine is efficient.
So you are calling Netanyahu and Peres liars when only a few days ago they said that Israel would seek retribution for the murder of the three teenagers ?
Meanwhile "investigating" the death of the Palestinian hitch-hiker who was burned alive.
The blame for the Gaza civilian plight lies squarely with the Hamas leadership.
so Hamas is to blame for Palestinian land being seized so the Israelis can build settlements there, its also Hamas's fault that the Israelis cut off water, electricity, food supplies and medical aid to the Palestinians, its Hamas's fault that the IDF routinely dishes out beatings and kidnaps young Palestinians, its also Hamas's fault that there is a massive wall surrounding the Palestinians which restricts their movement/freedom?
the Israelis have turned Gaza into a giant concentration camp....all they need to do is rename it Auschwitz and the Israeli blood vengeance would be complete...
ive reported several posts here as unacceptable the fact they have not been removed says it all about this forum and its moderators !
simply disgusting and unacceptableSeems reasonable to me. You should see my Nazi memorabilia collection. I'm very proud of all my SS officers uniforms
i have my view also !
I think it is a shocking indictment of ALL humanity that after centuries of oppression them selves that when given their own land they are prepared to do the same to people as what was done to them for centuries
Where as I think that it's a shocking indictment of all of humanity that after nearly two millennia of oppression, forced expulsions, pogroms, lynchings etc etc ad nauseum... people were opposed to them having their own state and for half a century were willing to die in an attempt to deny them of one.
ive reported several posts here as unacceptable the fact they have not been removed says it all about this forum and its moderators !
I think its a lot more about you, than this forum or its moderators. You've reported everyone who disagrees with you, basically? After calling everyone who has a different view to you an anti-Semite
What next?
Are you going scream, and scream, and scream, until you're sick?
ive reported several posts here as unacceptable the fact they have not been removed says it all about this forum and its moderators !
Instead of trying to stop people saying something and others reading it by censorship, why don't you simply counter it?
@unfitgeezer: What is actually unacceptable are your baseless accusations of racism.
Where as I think that it's a shocking indictment of all of humanity that after nearly two millennia of oppression, forced expulsions, pogroms, lynchings etc etc ad nauseum... people were opposed to them having their own state and for half a century were willing to die in an attempt to deny them of one.
Thing is, the ones doing the pogroms etc were not the ones being required to give up their homes to accommodate a Jewish state.
samj - MemberNo Lifer, Hamas stopping rocket fire is the only way to save further bloodshed.
That sounds really plausible, except that this is exactly what happened in 2008- in the run up to the Gaza war there were more IDF peacefire breaches than palestinian. End result- invasion, thousands of air strikes, 1400 palestinian deaths. (and 13 israeli if you include friendly fire- the IDF being so careful to avoid collateral damage that they accounted for half of their own losses)
People get bogged down into Israel are terrorists! No Hamas are terrorists... Why not both? The difference is, only one of the terrorist groups in question is annexing the other's country, and only one has a modern military capable of inflicting incredibly onesided casualty rates (these days, they vary between 10 and 100 to 1)
Israel is a terrorist state, defined by its actions. Anyone who defends this is disgusting and immoral.
Thing is, the ones doing the pogroms etc were not the ones being required to give up their homes to accommodate a Jewish state.
[img] 
[/img]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
To be fair, I just enjoy watching religious people kill each other in great swathes.
From your link:
The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries or Jewish exodus from Arab countries was the departure, flight, migration and expulsion of 800,000–1,000,000 Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, mainly from 1948 until the early 1970s
So this expulsion is AFTER the creation of Israel, not a justification for its founding where it is.
Jewish and proud....
I just happen to have a different view to you guys.
I'm missing a whole side of my family thanks to the nazis so your comment was actually quite disturbing.
So this expulsion is AFTER the creation of Israel, not a justification for its founding where it is.
Read the rest of the article.
Israelis have a siege mentality, at a deep cultural level they believe that they can't rely on others to help them...think of it as cultural PTSD... and there are perfectly valid historical reasons for that. I won't blame them for it, you've got to survive somehow.
I'm sorry to hear about your family. Everyone apart from complete idiots are appalled by the holocaust, which is why, surprisingly enough, nobody is defending it, or disagreeing with you on that.
But I, and others, strongy object to being lumped in with the people responsible for it because you're too lazy, or blinkered to constitute a proper argument, so opt for incredibly offensive insults instead!
Hence my sarcastic remark. The anti-semite tag is thrown against people far too readily to shut down anyone voicing an opinion contrary to the one you advocate. And every time you do, it devalues it
Like the bit that says:
During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands.[15] For instance, Jews expelled from the Iberian Peninsula were invited to settle in various parts of the Ottoman Empire, where they would often form a prosperous model minority of merchants acting as intermediaries for their Muslim rulers.
Bad sh1t happened to Jews throughout history. But only the Palestinians are asked (told) to pay the price.
Jewish and proud....
Cant we just tell.
So 3 Israeli young men abducted and killed is a horrible crime we all agree , but some think that it is ok to then collectively punish a community and produce a score card like this :-
Children killed on Wednesday
1. Mohammad Ibrahim Fayeq al-Masri, 14, from the northern Gaza city of Beit Hanoun
2.Mohammad Fakher Mustafa Jamal Malaka, 3, from Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood
3.Mohammad Iyad Salem Areef, 9, rom Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
4.Amir Iyad Salem Areef, 11, from Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
5. Mohammad Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 1, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
6.Nidal Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 3, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
7. Ranim Jawdat Abdul-Karim Abdul-Ghafoor, 1, from Al-Qarara near the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Children killed on Tuesday
1.Hussein Yousef Hussein Karawe, 13, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
2. Basem Salem Hussein Karawe, 10, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
3.Mohammad Ali Faraj Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
4. Abdullah Hamed Karawe, 6, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
5.Kasem Jaber Adwan Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan
6.YounisSeraj Abed al-Aal, 8, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
7. Ahmad Nael Mahdi, 15, from Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood
Anyone who thinks this is unacceptable is an anti Semite?
The nations who have used collective punishment of communities in the past Include the Imperial Romans and Nazi Germany . Not a group any self respecting Nation would want to join.
