[Closed] How come UN resolutions and the Geneva Convention don't apply to Israel?

Re Gaza. Israel had to extract Israelis unwilling to leave and physically remove them. They also had to dig up their cemeteries and re-bury their dead. Hardly an easy excercise and not done as a pr stunt. Gaza must be a hellish existence under Hamas. Lets not forget Hamas clashed with Fattah and killed 118 including throwing people from roof tops. When Israel withdrew, were they meant to leave an open border for such psychos to come into Israel?

Re Lebanon, the same conflict kicked off by Hizbollah ambushing a patrol on the Israeli side of the fence killing 3 soldiers and abducted 2 who were subsequently killed there or shortly afterwards, not that their families were to find out for years believing they may still have been alive.

Seems like lots of criticism of Israel some of which merited but seems to me Israel singled out for special attention but the endless of rockets etc seldom deemed newsworthy until Israel responds.

ctk - Member

Lets not forget what we did in Iraq & Afghanistan + the weapons we sell

We have no right to lecture Israelis when we put up with our lot.

And lets not forget that "we" shamefully support Israel when we are quick top condemn the Palestinians. I assume "we" in the context which you've used it means the UK government.

BTW what's your position on the former Apartheid regime in South Africa, were "we" right to condemn it ? Or did we have no right to lecture to them ?

To some, the crux of the matter:

"if the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel."

What nim said.

The Israelis feel threatened and so are prone to getting their retaliation in first. If all the Arab states surrounding them were to renounce anti-Israel violence then that would be the best first step to peace in the area.

You mean if there was no more US government foreign aid to Israel there would be no Israel. It's strange that a country should be dependent on government handouts from a country which doesn't believe in big government or government interference.

Personally I would welcome no more Israel and in its place a democratic secular Palestine where your right to a home wasn't based on what God allegedly promised someone 3,000 years ago.

If all the Arab states surrounding them were to renounce anti-Israel violence then that would be the best first step to peace in the area.

An immediate end to the building of illegal settlements, the immediate dismantling of all the existing ones, and an end to the apartheid and degrading inhumane treatment of Palestinians would be a much better first step to peace.

BTW:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

See also:

http://www.juancole.com/2006/08/ahmadinejad-we-are-not-threat-to-any.html

Kayhan reports that [Pers.] Ahmadinejad said, “Iran is not a threat to any country, and is not in any way a people of intimidation and aggression.” He described Iranians as people of peace and civilization. He said that Iran does not even pose a threat to Israel, and wants to deal with the problem there peacefully, through elections:
“Weapons research is in no way part of Iran’s program. Even with regard to the Zionist regime, our path to a solution is elections.”

But carry on believing the propaganda that he said he wants to 'wipe Israel off the map' if you like.

compliance with UN resolutions and a return to internationally recognised borders
Stop breaking the law

Israel had to extract Israelis unwilling to leave and physically remove them. They also had to dig up their cemeteries and re-bury their dead

The Israelis feel threatened and so are prone to getting their retaliation in first. If all the Arab states surrounding them were to renounce anti-Israel violence then that would be the best first step to peace in the area.

Grum, I said Arab states. Iran isn't Arab. They are Persian and no, I never for a minute believed that was what had been said.

A lot of the very wealthy Arab states could easily put an end to Palestinian poverty however it suits their political ends to keep the Palestinians as an oppressed minority.

ctk - Member
Lets not forget what we did in Iraq & Afghanistan + the weapons we sell

We have no right to lecture Israelis when we put up with our lot.

And lets not forget that "we" shamefully support Israel when we are quick top condemn the Palestinians. I assume "we" in the context which you've used it means the UK government.

BTW what's your position on the former Apartheid regime in South Africa, were "we" right to condemn it ? Or did we have no right to lecture to them ?

Yes you are right I have put together those two sentences in a manner that makes no sense at all.

ctk - Member
Lets not forget what we(UK govt) did in Iraq & Afghanistan + the weapons we(UK govt) sell

We(good people of UK) have no right to lecture Israelis when we(good people of UK) put up with our lot(UK govt)

You're example of SA is a good one. Of course it was right to condemn the apartheid regime and it would be right if the UK government condemned the Israel governments actions in the Gaza strip.

Not one sided, just trying to put across points that are overlooked

And the following invasion and bombing campaign - was once again a collective punishment.

Not one sided, just trying to put across points that are overlooked

I dont see much balance from some of the other posts on here and there's ample criticism of Israel without me adding to it.

Gaza must be a hellish existence under Hamas

It's not Hamas that is starving and bombing Gaza, in case you hadn't noticed. You've raised "blame the victim" to a whole new level.

Gaza is being bombed because Hamas is firing rockets into Israel. If they wanted to stop the bombing they could stop firing rockets. The blame for the Gaza civilian plight lies squarely with the Hamas leadership.

So Hamas fire at nuclear reactor... Should Israel just accept that ?

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/09/breaking-hamas-rockets-target-israels-nuke-research-facility/

Home made rockets I think not !

But I guess you lot think that's acceptable !

Agreed, it's the person on the street that suffers. Hamas are a terrorist organisation, doubt anyone here would care for them as their government.

unfitgeezer - Member

simply stunned by some of the views on here...

I'm stunned that you're stunned. The views expressed are hardly mad, out-there, left-field, out-of-kilter stuff, are they?

A lot of people look at the disproportionately aggressive behaviour of the Israeli state and despair. I don't think many people would defend Hamas (or any similar group), but I think most people have an innate sense of whats fair and right, and can therefore empathise with the conditions that the Palestinians are being forced to live in. They look to how they would feel, forced to endure something similar, and conclude, perfectly reasonably, that its just plain wrong.

I think an added element to this is that you would expect a degree of sensitivity to this from a nation of people that have endured such horrendous persecution themselves. When in reality, the opposite seems to be the case. Which is pretty depressing in itself

Gaza is being bombed because Hamas is firing rockets into Israel.

That's simply not true. It's the old lie which the Israeli government trots out every time they attack Gaza. They begin military action against Gaza by bombing it, the Gazians respond by firing rockets at Israel, and Israel says "we're only bombing Gaza because they are firing rockets at us".

Israel originally claimed that military operations against Gaza, or Hamas as they prefer to say, was in response to the murder of 3 Israeli teenagers, that was only a few days ago, now they are saying that it is in response to rockets. They are liars.

EDIT : BTW despite being quick to bomb Gaza in their collective punishment of the Palestinians, the three teenagers were murdered in the West Bank, not Gaza.

That's simply not true. It's the old lie which the Israeli government trots out every time they attack Gaza

Well, it worked pretty well when they trotted out the same lie over Lebanon.

Hamas are a terrorist organisation,

What exactly do you define as "terrorist", beyond "someone you don't agree with" ??

doubt anyone here would care for them as their government.

Well, obviously Palestinians are mentally defective, because they voted for Hamas, right? Or is it that normal sane people are put into such an intolerable situation that they act out of despair and choose any path other than the one that has brought them to such misery ??

Its absolutely the truth, and more importantly, it is the only way to save further bloodshed.

hamas rockets target israels nuke research facility

Thats a nice sensationalist headline the Sun would be proud of. The truth is; I could target a nuclear research facility if I wanted too. Maybe I could throw some house bricks at it. I'd probably have about the same degree of success. Don't let that stop your indignant, blinkered outrage though.

Take a look at what the Israelis are 'targeting'? It seems that everything, and everybody is fair game as far as they're concerned

Anyway..... would that be the nuclear research facility that develops the nuclear weapons (WMD's?) that they definitely don't have? Which leads us straight back to the original question.....

Israel has a track record in invading Gaza on trumped-up accusations. It was the same last time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

In the month prior to the 4th of November, Israel-Palestinian violence fell to its lowest level since the start of the al-Aqsa intifada in September 2000. Several Israeli violations were reported: In South Gaza on 3 October the IDF fired on two unarmed Palestinians near the border and sent soldiers into the strip to arrest them and detain them in Israel. On the 27 October IDF soldiers fired into Gaza for unknown reasons damaging a school in Khuza and injuring one child. Palestinian fishing boats off the Gaza coast were fired upon on four separate occasions during the month wounding two fisherman. Throughout the month of October 2008 a single Palestinian violation was reported: 1 rocket was fired into Israel causing no damage or injuries. At the end of the month the American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sent a message to Hamas acknowledging their efforts to keep the peace.[89]

Rockets were being fired from Gaza long before the boys were kidnapped. It just doesn't make the UK press.

samj - Member

Its absolutely the truth, and more importantly, it is the only way to save further bloodshed.

Bombing Gaza back to the stone age is the only way to save further bloodshed? Working well so far...

So you do think its okay to fire at it then ?

You're views are simply crazy !

I have no further comments to make

Are you this passionate about other countries that are involved in similar atrocities ? Or just the ones that receive media coverage ?

Take a look at what the Israelis are 'targeting'? It seems that everything, and everybody is fair game as far as they're concerned

I think you'll find Hamas are forcing innocent people to be targets...let's not forget that

Are you this passionate about other countries that are involved in similar atrocities ? Or just the ones that receive media coverage ?

No... my views are restricted exclusively to this conflict. I don't apply the afore-mentioned views on social justice, international law, or oppressive regimes to anything else at all. Why would I? I just use this as a chance to voice my obvious antisemitism. Same as everyone else on this thread

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No Lifer, Hamas stopping rocket fire is the only way to save further bloodshed. Maybe read it twice this time.

I think you'll find Hamas are forcing innocent people to be targets...let's not forget that

By that same logic, the people building illegal settlements on occupied land are doing exactly the same

"Israel, the United States,[8] Canada,[9] the European Union,[10][11] Jordan,[12] Egypt[13] and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization"

Rockets were being fired from Gaza long before the boys were kidnapped. It just doesn't make the UK press.

So you are calling Netanyahu and Peres liars when only a few days ago they said that Israel would seek retribution for the murder of the three teenagers ?

[url= http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.602235 ]Netanyahu on murders of three Israeli teens: Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay[/url]

[i] Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday evening that "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay."

President Shimon Peres said Israel's retribution would be harsh. [/i]

No mention anywhere about Israel being attacked by rockets. And that's not "the UK press". Stop talking nonsense, it's not helping you.

So you do think its okay to fire at it then ?

That's not what he said is it. It's just a totally ineffectual gesture done by desperate people which has little relevance to anything.

Meanwhile a military superpower continue to use the vast resources they have available to murder countless times more civilians than Hamas ever will. Remind me who the terrorists are again?

Settlements are a problem but there was terrorism before 1967 predating settlements. Settlements alone will not stop Hamas and the like.

Hamas fire rockets from schools, hospitals, mosques etc. A known tactic.

So you tell me as I am clearly talking nonsense, how many rockets this year from Gaza ?

Settlements are a problem but there was terrorism before 1967 predating settlements. Settlements alone will not stop Hamas and the like.

You mean like the terrorism that founded Israel in the first place? Or does it only count as bad terrorism when it's Muslims that do it?

Nim you are wasting your time and effort !

I know I said I won't comment anymore well this is my last comment !

For a bunch that don't want to be anti-Semites you are doing a great job...

A UN vote founded Israel.

Your comment doesn't merit a response, childish

Its obvious whats going on if you look at those land maps a few pages back. Genocide , ethnic cleansing call it what you want the Israelis are not going to stop till they have it all and they will do it by playing the victim time and time again same old charade. Its good to see posters on this thread speaking up for the truth because its glaringly obvious that the life of a Palestinian is not comparable to the life of an Israeli.

So just to summarise for you... anyone who thinks that 'collective punishment' of a civilian population, by the massively disproportionate aggression of an illegally occupying power, is maybe a bit out of order, is an anti-semite?

Seems reasonable to me. You should see my Nazi memorabilia collection. I'm very proud of all my SS officers uniforms 🙄

I think you need to read up on some history nim.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

lalazar- from the comments section of the Guardian of all places!:

If the world thinks Israelis are worth more than Palestinians, it's fundamentally because the Palestinians think so too. The Palestinian leadership are happy to see their own people brutalised and impoverished just so they can inflict strategically meaningless levels of damage upon Israel. In fact, the the Palestinian political class have a direct personal financial interest in the degradation of their fellow citizens. The whole corrupt money-go-round of international support that allows them to live luxurious lifestyles depends on the immiseration of their own people.

"Israel, the United States,[8] Canada,[9] the European Union,[10][11] Jordan,[12] Egypt[13] and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization"

You didn't answer my question - what does "terrorist" actually mean.

As someone who has friends from many backgrounds the single largest thing that f@@k's up their views are faith.

How a religious group can jump to the defence of their fellow man while they commit various disgusting acts is beyond me, I am not singling out any religion here as they all do it as can be so evidently seen in this thread!

The whole situation is utterly disgusting and allowed to go on because of the simple fact that Jewish people 'run' modern society, from the banking structure (US Federal reserve amongst others) to politics - Especially evident in the USA.

How the F@@k can anyone justify surrounding a country and dictating what comes in and out?!! - Has anyone seen the thread on pinkbike where the Palestinian makes his own headset top-cap? - Someone asked why he didn't just order such a simple item: "because it would not be allowed through Israeli border checks" - What has it got to do with them?!

I am not a racist, I do not hate Jews as doing so would be applying a blanket view to an individual so don't accuse me of that.

I am opting out of the rest of this thread as the situation makes me mad as it is without hearing the kind of tripe that is given in response to the behaviour of Israel....

lalazar- from the comments section of the Guardian of all places!:

Yes there are rent-a-comment astroturfers also in the Guardian. The Israeli propaganda machine is efficient.

So you are calling Netanyahu and Peres liars when only a few days ago they said that Israel would seek retribution for the murder of the three teenagers ?

Meanwhile "investigating" the death of the Palestinian hitch-hiker who was burned alive.

The blame for the Gaza civilian plight lies squarely with the Hamas leadership.

so Hamas is to blame for Palestinian land being seized so the Israelis can build settlements there, its also Hamas's fault that the Israelis cut off water, electricity, food supplies and medical aid to the Palestinians, its Hamas's fault that the IDF routinely dishes out beatings and kidnaps young Palestinians, its also Hamas's fault that there is a massive wall surrounding the Palestinians which restricts their movement/freedom?

the Israelis have turned Gaza into a giant concentration camp....all they need to do is rename it Auschwitz and the Israeli blood vengeance would be complete...

ive reported several posts here as unacceptable the fact they have not been removed says it all about this forum and its moderators !

Seems reasonable to me. You should see my Nazi memorabilia collection. I'm very proud of all my SS officers uniforms

i have my view also !

I think it is a shocking indictment of ALL humanity that after centuries of oppression them selves that when given their own land they are prepared to do the same to people as what was done to them for centuries

Where as I think that it's a shocking indictment of all of humanity that after nearly two millennia of oppression, forced expulsions, pogroms, lynchings etc etc ad nauseum... people were opposed to them having their own state and for half a century were willing to die in an attempt to deny them of one.

ive reported several posts here as unacceptable the fact they have not been removed says it all about this forum and its moderators !

I think its a lot more about you, than this forum or its moderators. You've reported everyone who disagrees with you, basically? After calling everyone who has a different view to you an anti-Semite

What next?

Are you going scream, and scream, and scream, until you're sick?

ive reported several posts here as unacceptable the fact they have not been removed says it all about this forum and its moderators !

Instead of trying to stop people saying something and others reading it by censorship, why don't you simply counter it?

@unfitgeezer: What is actually unacceptable are your baseless accusations of racism.

Where as I think that it's a shocking indictment of all of humanity that after nearly two millennia of oppression, forced expulsions, pogroms, lynchings etc etc ad nauseum... people were opposed to them having their own state and for half a century were willing to die in an attempt to deny them of one.

Thing is, the ones doing the pogroms etc were not the ones being required to give up their homes to accommodate a Jewish state.

samj - Member

No Lifer, Hamas stopping rocket fire is the only way to save further bloodshed.

That sounds really plausible, except that this is exactly what happened in 2008- in the run up to the Gaza war there were more IDF peacefire breaches than palestinian. End result- invasion, thousands of air strikes, 1400 palestinian deaths. (and 13 israeli if you include friendly fire- the IDF being so careful to avoid collateral damage that they accounted for half of their own losses)

People get bogged down into Israel are terrorists! No Hamas are terrorists... Why not both? The difference is, only one of the terrorist groups in question is annexing the other's country, and only one has a modern military capable of inflicting incredibly onesided casualty rates (these days, they vary between 10 and 100 to 1)

Israel is a terrorist state, defined by its actions. Anyone who defends this is disgusting and immoral.

Thing is, the ones doing the pogroms etc were not the ones being required to give up their homes to accommodate a Jewish state.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

To be fair, I just enjoy watching religious people kill each other in great swathes.

From your link:

The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries or Jewish exodus from Arab countries was the departure, flight, migration and expulsion of 800,000–1,000,000 Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, mainly from 1948 until the early 1970s

So this expulsion is AFTER the creation of Israel, not a justification for its founding where it is.

Jewish and proud....
I just happen to have a different view to you guys.

I'm missing a whole side of my family thanks to the nazis so your comment was actually quite disturbing.

So this expulsion is AFTER the creation of Israel, not a justification for its founding where it is.

Read the rest of the article.

Israelis have a siege mentality, at a deep cultural level they believe that they can't rely on others to help them...think of it as cultural PTSD... and there are perfectly valid historical reasons for that. I won't blame them for it, you've got to survive somehow.

I'm sorry to hear about your family. Everyone apart from complete idiots are appalled by the holocaust, which is why, surprisingly enough, nobody is defending it, or disagreeing with you on that.

But I, and others, strongy object to being lumped in with the people responsible for it because you're too lazy, or blinkered to constitute a proper argument, so opt for incredibly offensive insults instead!

Hence my sarcastic remark. The anti-semite tag is thrown against people far too readily to shut down anyone voicing an opinion contrary to the one you advocate. And every time you do, it devalues it

Like the bit that says:

During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands.[15] For instance, Jews expelled from the Iberian Peninsula were invited to settle in various parts of the Ottoman Empire, where they would often form a prosperous model minority of merchants acting as intermediaries for their Muslim rulers.

Bad sh1t happened to Jews throughout history. But only the Palestinians are asked (told) to pay the price.

Jewish and proud....

Cant we just tell.

So 3 Israeli young men abducted and killed is a horrible crime we all agree , but some think that it is ok to then collectively punish a community and produce a score card like this :-
Children killed on Wednesday
1. Mohammad Ibrahim Fayeq al-Masri, 14, from the northern Gaza city of Beit Hanoun
2.Mohammad Fakher Mustafa Jamal Malaka, 3, from Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood
3.Mohammad Iyad Salem Areef, 9, rom Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
4.Amir Iyad Salem Areef, 11, from Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
5. Mohammad Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 1, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
6.Nidal Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 3, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
7. Ranim Jawdat Abdul-Karim Abdul-Ghafoor, 1, from Al-Qarara near the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis

Children killed on Tuesday
1.Hussein Yousef Hussein Karawe, 13, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
2. Basem Salem Hussein Karawe, 10, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
3.Mohammad Ali Faraj Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
4. Abdullah Hamed Karawe, 6, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
5.Kasem Jaber Adwan Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan

6.YounisSeraj Abed al-Aal, 8, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
7. Ahmad Nael Mahdi, 15, from Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood

Anyone who thinks this is unacceptable is an anti Semite?

The nations who have used collective punishment of communities in the past Include the Imperial Romans and Nazi Germany . Not a group any self respecting Nation would want to join.

Bad sh1t happened to Jews throughout history. But only the Palestinians are asked (told) to pay the price.

To state it really really simply as you can't be bothered to read. Before the war, Jews were immigrating en masse to Palestine because of European antisemitism, souring relations with the locals. Then Arab nationalism took hold, along with remnants of Nazi propaganda after the war.

Can't really blame them for wanting a separate state.

@ unfitgeezer

Muslim and proud
i'm very fortunate that i'm not Palestinian...but what i see going on there on a daily basis greatly saddens me...going as far as it boils my pi$$ that i feel personally powerless to do anything about it.

i'm sure there are many Palestinians who can say the same thing that they are missing a whole side to their families thanks to the Israeli government.

just like Binners says...there is nothing anti-semetic that has been said here by the vast majority of posters.
no-one has criticized or attacked the religion. what they have done is criticized the oppressive actions of the Israeli government.
what has been fired back though is accusations of anti-semetism just because there is a strong lack of support for the Israeli governments actions.
if you dont want to get offended by someone's sarcastic maybe you shouldnt accuse them of being anti-semetic.

before you accuse me of being an anti-semite I'll tell you who or what it is i am against.
i have no problem with the Jewish faith or Jewish people as a whole. at the end of the day if you look at it from a religious point of view Muslims, Jews and Christians are "people of the book" and ultimately there is little that differentiates our religions.
what i do have a major issue with is Zionism and all that it stands for...i truly believe its agenda isnt for the benefit of the Jewish faith but is something that is truly sinister and dangerous to all of humanity.

Hah.

You mean you're opposed to them having their own State, you'd much rather they were second class citizens in a Muslim state?

Tom_W1987 - Member

Hah.

You mean you're opposed to them having their own State, you'd much rather they were second class citizens in a Muslim state?

Why would they be second class citizens? Are Jews that live in the UK second class citizens in a Christian state?

You mean you're opposed to them having their own State, you'd much rather they were second class citizens in a Muslim state?

as opposed to the Palestinians now living like dogs in a Jewish state?

no Tom...they were given their own state in 1948...they simply decided that wasnt enough and went about grabbing more land from their Palestinian hosts and at the same time oppressing them in a way that the Palestinians are not even treated as second class citizens...but more like prisoners/dogs in a concentration camp

no Tom...they were given their own state in 1948...they simply decided that wasnt enough and went about grabbing more land from their Palestinian hosts and at the same time oppressing them in a way that the Palestinians are not even treated as second class citizens...but more like prisoners in a concentration camp

Israel's neighbors probably shouldn't have helped to kick off the Six-Day War then.

Why would they be second class citizens? Are Jews that live in the UK second class citizens in a Christian state?

Historically they had been and you forget that the creation of Israel happened immediately after half of Europe being involved in their slaughter. Would you want to stay in Europe?

To state it really really simply as you can't be bothered to read. Before the war, Jews were immigrating en masse to Palestine because of European antisemitism, souring relations with the locals. Then Arab nationalism took hold, along with remnants of Nazi propaganda after the war.

Can't really blame them for wanting a separate state.

Nope. And can't really blame the Palestinians for not wanting to vacate the property to make room for it.

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

Meanwhile leaders of Isis declare their intention to convert all of southern Europe into a caliphate, and its the zionists that are 'dangers to all humanity'. Get real.

[url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9252281/i-like-the-look-of-this-exciting-new-islamic-state-but-why-dont-they-take-belgium/ ]Isis -Europe[/url]

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus[/url]

samj - Member

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

Why exactly should it have been accepted? We went to war with Germany as we couldn't accept Poland etc's loss of land (if you want to be black and white about it)

How you can throw the label of aggressors around when Israel was taken by force initially is beyond comprehension....

Meanwhile leaders of Isis declare their intention to convert all of southern Europe into a caliphate, and its the zionists that are 'dangers to all humanity'. Get real.

Europe is not going to be an Islamic Caliphate? Ever! Despite the ramblings of however many extremist nut-jobs in Syria. And what on earth has that got to do with Israel anyway? Is that now being used as a justification for zionism? Saving Europe from becoming overrun with muslamic ray guns?

Christ on a bendybus! Thats about as spurious as it gets

Why exactly should it have been accepted?

Its the UK government of the time that advocated it, Ask your grandparents why.

How you can throw the label of aggressors around when Israel was taken by force initially is beyond comprehension....

It started as a civil war between the Jewish (many of whom were not immigrants) and Muslim populations... not some blitzkrieg.

Israel's neighbors probably shouldn't have helped to kick off the Six-Day War then.

so if i came to your house and declared it as mine and your neighbour objected i'd beat him up and any other neighbour who stood up to me. i could then go about treating you like a prisoner in your own home and dehumanise you as i see fit. if anyone questions it it will be your fault i am doing this or your neighbours fault i am doing this...i love your logic!!

Tell you what, with Arab nationalism what do you think would have happened to the Jewish population of Palestine had they not been given their own state?

so if i came to your house and declared it as mine and your neighbour objected i'd beat him up and any other neighbour who stood up to me. i could then go about treating you like a prisoner in your own home and dehumanise you as i see fit. if anyone questions it it will be your fault i am doing this or your neighbours fault i am doing this...i love your logic!!

Those forced and or voluntary expulsions mostly occurred after the 1948 war, which the Arab world helped to start. What did they expect if they lost?