Both are now out which is a shame as Max brought more attention to it and it's always a disappointment if the Dacia goes out. N24 is one of my favourite races.
Liking the M3 touring this year
it’s been good fun following the N24 - not a Max fan, but it’s a shame he’s out; he’s brought so much positive publicity to GT racing. It’s also shown just what a talent he is - seems he can jump into anything and go faster than anyone else!
Not really, they are driving totally different cars on a track the other drivers have driven on and raced on lots, Max has done some testing there but not anywhere near the amount of laps the regualr drivers have put in.
I really don’t get the fuss about max doing this. I know the content click creators are making as much as possible from it for income but I don’t get it. As it is he broke the car driving too hard and didn’t even finish despite the other amg cars winning the race.
Is a legitimate source saying that he actually broke the car?
It didn’t break on his stint did it! I just liked the fact that he did it - it’s so rare that F1 drivers do other things and show their talent compared to other top non F1 drivers - it shows what a step up they actually are in my view
Is a legitimate source saying that he actually broke the car?
It broke on his team mates second lap after max had done his stint
Are they really a step up in terms of ability? How come it has always been the case that rich dads have talented sons who can drive well? What sort of gene pool is that? Surely if you took a whole bunch of random council kids, gave them the best cars available and told them that they were brilliant for 20 years, just perhaps a good number of them will be? F1 drivers are good, but I'm not convinced that such talents couldn't be replicated outside of their small worlds.
It broke on his team mates second lap after max had done his stint
Ok, given that a lap is 10miles, when is the cut-off where it wouldn’t have been Max’s fault any longer? Also, it’s endurance racing (at the Nurburgring of all places), stuff breaks. I’m still to see anywhere other than comments sections saying that he broke the car.
Have a read of Bounce by Matthew Syed, does a good job of explaining this.Are they really a step up in terms of ability? How come it has always been the case that rich dads have talented sons who can drive well? What sort of gene pool is that? Surely if you took a whole bunch of random council kids, gave them the best cars available and told them that they were brilliant for 20 years, just perhaps a good number of them will be? F1 drivers are good, but I'm not convinced that such talents couldn't be replicated outside of their small worlds.
How come it has always been the case that rich dads have talented sons who can drive well? What sort of gene pool is that? Surely if you took a whole bunch of random council kids, gave them the best cars available and told them that they were brilliant for 20 years, just perhaps a good number of them will be?
Check this out. ROb Smedley reckons much the same and is trying to do something about it : https://fat-kartingleague.com/about
It broke on his team mates second lap after max had done his stint
Ok, given that a lap is 10miles, when is the cut-off where it wouldn’t have been Max’s fault any longer? Also, it’s endurance racing (at the Nurburgring of all places), stuff breaks. I’m still to see anywhere other than comments sections saying that he broke the car.
Given that it was the only AMG to break a drive shaft. Assuming they are all built to the same spec and installed by equally competent mechanics then the only difference your left with is the drivers. It is reported that Max came into the driver swap and said the car wasn’t right and the next driver went out hoping to drive round the problem.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-nurburgring-24-hours-driveshaft-failure
Assuming they are all built to the same spec and installed by equally competent mechanics then the only difference your left with is the drivers.
Even the best mechanics make mistakes, they are human, humans make mistakes.
Race cars are built to the absolute limit of performance. Ideally, they are just strong enough to finish the race, but no stronger. Any manufacturing is done to tolerances - the parts aren't identical, they vary slightly around spec. Even though the parts are built to the same spec, some will fail sooner and some will fail later, but it's impossible to predict the exact failure time of an individual component. To get absolute performance, you need to set an acceptable failure rate above zero. If you are running a three car team, having one car fail per race on average is probably worth it. So, just because the car broke soon after Max handed it over doesn't mean that Max broke the car. Bad luck is more likely.
Given that it was the only AMG to break a drive shaft. Assuming they are all built to the same spec and installed by equally competent mechanics then the only difference your left with is the drivers. It is reported that Max came into the driver swap and said the car wasn’t right and the next driver went out hoping to drive round the problem.
That’s not how failures work I’m afraid. Otherwise plane would all fall out of the sky because one had an issue once.
That article you link to doesn’t even blame Max, but does mention that the clash happened hours before the car gave out.
It’s endurance racing, stuff happens all the time and it can be anywhere between the first hour and the last
I've just returned from attending the race.
I cannot recommend this event highly enough.
The atmosphere between Karussell and Pflanzgarten during the night was magical.
It felt like a German Glastonbury.
tell us more! Sounds amazing, would love to go. We went to the Spa 6hr WEC race which was excellent but the N24 is really eye catching!
I'm also going to the Spa 24 in late June, so see how that compares.
Is about 90 mins from Spa (which you may drive past depending on your route)
Fairly cheap to attend. The full weekend tickets were €75 and full weekend camping was €90.
Ok, you have to add in the channel crossing + fuel, but its way less than going to Silverstone.
Fully open grandstands and paddock, so all the access you could ever need.
You can also stand at the side of the track at Hatzenbach for a parade lap if you wanted to.
Shuttle busses from the main camping area to various parts of the circuit.
Its held on a German bank holiday, so a lot of people make a week of it, and they certainly put the effort it.
Self built grandstands, fire pits, barbeques , TVs streaming the race, techno blaring out, fireworks and flares galore over night.
If you wanted to camp in the popular areas you'd need to get there on the tues/wed and need to be prepared for all the weather. At one point it was snowing!!
It sold out this year, and given the increasing popularity of the event (plus the poor F1 product - I can't be bothered watching it this year) i'd expect it to sell out again.
sounds like a cracking trip!!
Tsunoda rumored to be replacing Ocon?
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/1083947/f1-haas-ayao-komatsu-esteban-ocon-axe-yuki-tsunoda/
Apparently Ollie Bearman and Yuki aren't exactly best mates either - I think as the result of some driving that Bearman described as dangerous at United States GP last year. Should be fun times.
I see someone hit a groundhog in Canada. I'm sure this has happened before...?
Looks like mercs upgrades are working well given the sprint qualifying gap
Hamilton had a good session, shut a few people up there! Shame he ran wide or something on the final push lap, hope he goes well in the sprint.
Hopefully somebody other than Kimi wins this weekend to keep the championship open.
Is Tsunoda much/any of an upgrade over Ocon? Other than maybe keeping Toyota happy what do Haas gain from this? Probably answered my own question there
Sounds like Kimi was getting a bit gobby on the radio after the sprint race, Toto even told him to rein it in a bit
Is Tsunoda much/any of an upgrade over Ocon? Other than maybe keeping Toyota happy what do Haas gain from this? Probably answered my own question there
Thing with all the Red Bull drivers is that it's impossible to know how good they really are because Max is a generational talent. Gasly and Albon turned out to be very good drivers once they got away from Red Bull. Tsunoda was generally pretty quick in the junior team, but lacking in maturity when he first started. Ocon seems to be a decent driver on a good day but a difficult character when things don't go his way. I would prefer to see Tsunoda in that seat than Ocon. He might turn out to be better, I don't think he will be worse.
Have a feeling McLaren are about to look like chumps here
Would’ve been even better if McLaren hadn’t hobbled themselves with the Ferrari level tyre call
Here’s hoping Lewis stays well away from the simulator 🙂
Yeah, I really enjoyed that
Funny how max isn’t complaining anymore 🤷🏻♂️ - good race though👍
Yeah was a good race tbh! Not really a GR fan but a shame his engine blew..was a cracking battle.
That seemed like a normal F1 race compared to the previous rounds. Don’t know if the change in regs, or drivers/teams have got used to it or if I’m more used to the changes. Either way, felt less cartoon racing than the opening rounds.
Just watched it, and it was a great race. I'm a bit of a Piastri fan, but his penalty was well deserved. Not a big Russell fan, but his engine failure wasn't deserved. Good to see Hammy back up in second.
Really struck by the gap between the cars. There was the leadership battle until Russell fell out, then there were only two of the cars within a second or so of each other. Hadjar served 30-40 seconds of penalties and didn't lose the position. That was quite striking, I thought. Don't remember it from previous seasons.
I'm really curious as to why McLaren started on inters and then didn't opt to switch at least one driver to slicks after the first (or second) formation lap...I'm presuming their weather forecasting app is more shit than the other teams, or they were gambling on a big crash at the start resulting in a safety car.
Has anyone seen/heard/read of any scenario analysis which suggests their strategy could have worked?
Isn't that kind of gap normal at the start of new rules WCA? By the end everyone is really close as they home in on what is optimal, but I seem to recall that each time the rules change the gaps open up again. One of the reasons I wish they'd stop messing about with them
I'm really curious as to why McLaren started on inters and then didn't opt to switch at least one driver to slicks after the first (or second) formation lap...I'm presuming their weather forecasting app is more shit than the other teams, or they were gambling on a big crash at the start resulting in a safety car.
Get the feeling they might’ve been data blinded and not done the sensible thing of just looking.
Isn't that kind of gap normal at the start of new rules WCA? By the end everyone is really close as they home in on what is optimal, but I seem to recall that each time the rules change the gaps open up again. One of the reasons I wish they'd stop messing about with them
Yes, you get the gaps at the start of all the new rule sets, but normally it's like two manufacturers go flying forward and everyone else is fighting among themselves. This seemed even among teams. There were anywhere between two and ten second gaps between all the cars. That was what I meant was strange, not the fact that Mercedes did spin off at a distance, but just that all the cars seemed to spread out regardless of the team, the manufacturer, or anything else.
I suspect McLaren had an amazing strategy on the inters that would have creamed their position if it had rained. Unfortunately, they never bothered to consider the fact that it might not rain, and it wasn't raining, and they didn't change the strategy. They based all of their strategy on one bad fact.
'm really curious as to why McLaren started on inters and then didn't opt to switch at least one driver to slicks after the first (or second) formation lap...I'm presuming their weather forecasting app is more shit than the other teams, or they were gambling on a big crash at the start resulting in a safety car.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mclaren-convinced-f1-canadian-gp-tyre-gamble-not-stupid/
Hmmm, having read that article, I'm still not convinced McLaren didn't make a monumental f++kup 🤣
Hmmm, having read that article, I'm still not convinced McLaren didn't make a monumental f++kup
Yes, splitting strategies between the two cars seems like an obvious thing to me. Still, it it had worked, they would have looked like geniuses.
Yes, splitting strategies between the two cars seems like an obvious thing to me
We think that Inters is the best way to go, but Oscar (and/or Lando), we're putting you on slicks...
I think you're either convinced you're playing a blinder, or you know it's a gamble and you don't disadvantage one of your drivers because of it.
I think you're either convinced you're playing a blinder, or you know it's a gamble and you don't disadvantage one of your drivers because of it.
I think the fairest thing to do is to offer the driver who qualified higher the choice of strategies and give the other driver the opposite. They are racing for the team, if splitting strategies is best for the team, the drivers need to accept that.
