Seems to me that Daz and Taxi want us to feed the Leavers berries because that's what they asked for.
“Oh, the grand old Duke of Talk,
He had 350 rather red-faced men,
He got someone else to march them up the hill,
And they all looked pricks again”.
I am told the search function is very good now, I am sure you will be able to find them with it.
Yeah, pretty much the answer I was expecting. I figured you'd got nothing.
No more unelected bureaucrats.
We're doing away with the house of lords and the civil service? That's news to me.
I’d love it if the gammon march (stagger most likely) came past me.
The best response in my mind would just be a street lined with people with their backs turned to the morons. Effectively saying “You’ve never been taken notice of, we’re not taking notice now, and never will. So you’re wasting your time. Now jog on, there’s good lads”.
You know that threat of a massive uprising - carnage on the streets - if Brexit is cancelled...
You know those 200 chumps who turned up to walk from Sunderland to Seaton Carew in the rain...
Does the vote in Parly this week mean TM is definately applying to the EU for a delay?
Does the vote in Parly this week mean TM is definately applying to the EU for a delay?
Yes, either to implement her deal or to come up with something else, it's contingent on what she can achieve before Wed which will be a call based on how many she has bribed by then to overturn their vocal and emphatic opposition to her deal.
JRM et al had the wet dream prospect of no deal dangling in front of them last time they voted.
You know those 200 chumps
Its Still an amount more than the 156 chumps on here who do nothing but gammon about how terrible its all working out.
White phill has been stung! Didn't fancy a soggy ramble then phill?
What's that whiney noise??? Is it another brexiter complaining again without being able to answer the simple question about what is going to be so great about all of this....
All 17.8 million willing to take the 5% on income tax to pay off this folly.
read the pages around 995 and 1228 passim, there are probably more as well.
Its Still an amount more than the 156 chumps on here who do nothing but gammon about how terrible its all working out.
Ha ha. It won’t be after about twenty miles. Half of the useless, overweight tossers will have either keeled over or jacked it in by then. Leather jackets with a shirt and tie and jeans ain’t great for hiking in.
Whiney brexies rofl, heal thyselves!
Whiney brexies rofl, heal thyselves!
It's about all I hear when I meet any these days, tory MP's on the TV certainly are, almost Trump level in terms of the world is picking on me as I try and circumvent legal and political process.
Watching that food programme on Friday night where they were talking about brexit.
They had a guy at Dover who said that the lorries would come in just as normal with no checks but have a month to file their paperwork afterwards.
So why are the government spending millions on extra ferries when according to this expert nothing will change?
When we've got Remain back and the Tories, I will be taking a trip down the street to see some of the homeless and telling them of how their lives have now been changed for the better because some people will never vote for Labour but seem to be happy with the EU+Tories which we all know has been so incredibly successful and beneficial for society as a whole.
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“You’ve never been taken notice of, we’re not taking notice now, and never will. So you’re wasting your time. Now jog on, there’s good lads”.
The a***holes on Farage's march do not represent the core brexit voter. The 'gammons' as you call them are a small minority who shout very loud. The core brexit voter (at least in the north) are the likes of many of my family and old school friends who don't really have an interest or understanding of politics beyond how it immediately affects their daily lives, what they read in the paper and see on the 6 o clock news. If you want to defeat brexit, these are the people you need to get on side, not the nutters marching with Farage.
Asks for compromise but only talks to ERG & DUP. Sums it up really..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/47599860
rone
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When we’ve got Remain back and the Tories,
Newsflash: Brexit isn't going off the rails because of us remainers- it's dying because the brexiteers don't like May's version of Brexit, if it fails speak to the ERG
But yeah it's easier to blame the people who said it was a dumb idea from the start 🙄
March Update**
Down to 77, Farage MIA
i was about to write something id seen on the news
then got destracted by the gammonball run
Oh that was it....MORE ****ING CASH BEING THROWN THE DUPs WAY
And that is why I get so angry when 'reluctant' leavers start talking about the 'democratic will of the people'.
Dodgy vote supported by Russians and assorted disaster capitalists - perfectly acceptable - democracy in action.
Bribe for the dinosaur deniers - also perfectly acceptable democracy in action.
I cannot see why May doesn't just say to ERG and DUP nut jobs either vote for it or you'll get nowt.
Don't get me wrong though - I hope they carry on being dicks and do end up with nowt 🙂
but seem to be happy with the EU+Tories
If Brexit is stopped, the Tory party will be ripped apart. You think they have infighting now? If things go the right (and surprising) way… you ain't seen nothing yet. Supporting Brexit can only make the Tories stronger…
When we’ve got Remain back and the Tories, I will be taking a trip down the street to see some of the homeless and telling them of how their lives have now been changed for the better because some people will never vote for Labour but seem to be happy with the EU+Tories which we all know has been so incredibly successful and beneficial for society as a whole.
Sorry, what does homelessness and UK social housing policy have to do with the EU?
Instead of making some homeless people feel even more powerless by reminding them they still have a Tory government, why don't you put one in your spare room?
Oh yeah....you won't.
The appeals to patriotism say even more about May's mindset- she is the country, patriotism means supporting her. It's an insane thing to say since it's a direct insult even to her own party. I don't think the ERG are patriots really, but damn sure they think they are and that's what really counts. She is just that bad.
I've got a homeless person in my spare room.
why don’t you put one in your spare room?
God I hate this line… there are lots of things we want our government to do, and we are prepared to pay for it… but most people don't have spare rooms… and if they did, they shouldn't have to choose between housing a patient dying of a terminal desease, someone with serious Alzheimer's, an ex soldier suffering serious mental disorders because of their time served, a refugee fleeing a country where they face the death penalty for being gay, a child who's lost all their family in a war, a young woman living on the streets with a serious drug problem after escaping an abusive home… it takes millions of people working together, through government and charitable organisations, to even begin to make a dent on these problems… simplistic "spare room" arguments are ridiculous.
It wasn't a particularly serious statement, like the brexiteer line of "Why don't you leave then if you don't like it".
Besides, you're missing the point - the EU has nothing to do with the UK social housing issues. The British brought that on themselves by voting Tory in 2010.
I would add though, that I would prefer to be in the EU under the Tories than out. Why? Because if we crash out, we'll have even bigger homelessness issues for one - and Corbyn will never get in under that scenario. People will vote Tory as they ALWAYS DO IN EVERY SINGLE ****ING RECESSION.
Agreed.
Stopping Brexit is the best way to stop Tory government. Facilitating it is to help keep them in power for a generation.
And it's worse than that… Brexit is helping some in the party to morph it into something far worse than it ever was before, even in my youth. The Tory party currently on the rise is something even more concerning.
When we’ve got Remain back and the Tories, I will be taking a trip down the street to see some of the homeless and telling them of how their lives have now been changed for the better because some people will never vote for Labour but seem to be happy with the EU+Tories which we all know has been so incredibly successful and beneficial for society as a whole.
Sorry, what does this mean?
I've tried reading it several times but still can't get my head round it.
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Instead of making some homeless people feel even more powerless by reminding them they still have a Tory government, why don’t you put one in your spare room?
Is it just me, or is it totally weird in 2019 to assume people have a spare room?
This was posted on a thread on FB started by a pro-brexit acquaintance.
Don't know what went wrong with my typing, must be old age and don't understand modern ways of life. I do know that when I was young I could mostly trust our leaders and I was in favour of joining the Common Market. But that did not mean being ruled by the unelected. Did not mean paying out so much to them that our services would be cut, our NHS in a massive dilemma. When I was young our local Police Station employed about 12 Police Officers who used their feet and bikes to fight crime now its closed.Crime was not has bad then because we had respect not knifes, getaway cars and very few immigrants wanting to sponge off the state, most of them found work and became part of the community. They did not want to chop our heads off, and look what happened to some of them through Windrush. Now they come here illegally with their expensive phones and lawless attitudes and are kept by the state. Patrolling our waters costs a fortune but they are encouraged by the likes of Merkel, May, and Macron. The EU is a burden to us now and we should have been out ages ago. I believe we should be running our own Country, but I do not believe this shower of the elite corrupt are capable. Come the elections people should think very hard before voting and then give these creeps a massive shock that should kickstart an new Great Britain. When it comes to the young knowing more than us I have to say that I never hear many of them talking about Brexit like us old'uns. I asked quite a few youngsters who would you vote for, Labour I think is the main answer, but very few actually know who Jeremy Corbyn is. That worries me. Trouble today is our children are molly cuddled and don't have to work hard for what they want, (not all of them thank God) many off them think more about getting drugs than food on their table. That I do not blame on them but society and it's time to change, we are doing them no good. I also believe that Politics should be taught in school so our youngsters know how it works and they should have an exam on it before they leave. My parents raised 6 of us on only one wage, we lived in a low rent council house, my Mother could make meals for us all out of food stuffs we now waste daily. She used to darn our socks ect but we had to wash the pots, beat the carpets, make the fire, chop wood, sweep the yard and many more things before we could go out to play. I was about 10 before we had a telly, about 15 when Dad had his first car, I used to nick his bike but got a good hiding for it. All this things I like to think made me and my family better people and we were happy. Sadly this as all gone now. Of six children five of us have ran our own business's and have worked hard at it. I'm not religious but I hope that if there is a God he can get us out of this mess with no deal. If we stay attached we will be tied by The Lisbon Treaty.
A typical brexiter explaining why he voted lo leave and why it's really important that we just get on with it. If anyone can find anything in there that is actually anything to do with the EU I'll give them a biscuit. Yet according to dazh and taxi we should allow these people to screw our country. Just why?
Grief what it is with old people on facebook - fk me have they never heard of paragraphs.
Just why?
Because democracy.
Grief what it is with old people on facebook – fk me have they never heard of paragraphs.
Or question marks?
Oh my, what a rant, 1/10 for accuracy
The a***holes on Farage’s march do not represent the core brexit voter. The ‘gammons’ as you call them are a small minority who shout very loud. The core brexit voter (at least in the north) are the likes of many of my family and old school friends who don’t really have an interest or understanding of politics beyond how it immediately affects their daily lives, what they read in the paper and see on the 6 o clock news. If you want to defeat brexit, these are the people you need to get on side, not the nutters marching with Farage.
Bloody hell, finally a post from dazh I agree with.
10/10 For the Irony though.
Giving the elites cart blanche do as they wish with the people without oversight or protection/rights that'll give them a shock 🙂
I do love a good protest vote.
Because democracy.
Yes I don't agree with the how and why of Brexit but democracy is everything.
These people voted and won and yes they can screw the country as thats what democracy is all about.
But that doesn't mean we can't ask for another referendum or vote at the next election for something different.
Just because we lost they won doesn't mean our voices have to be silenced, thats the great thing about living in a democracy.
democracy does not mean rolling over when you see something very wrong happening. Democracy means trying to get others to agree to stop this. How many dictators were elected democratically? Whoops, nearly did an accidental Godwin...
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The a***holes on Farage’s march do not represent the core brexit voter. The ‘gammons’ as you call them are a small minority who shout very loud. The core brexit voter (at least in the north) are the likes of many of my family and old school friends who don’t really have an interest or understanding of politics beyond how it immediately affects their daily lives, what they read in the paper and see on the 6 o clock news. If you want to defeat brexit, these are the people you need to get on side, not the nutters marching with Farage.
yep, my experience too, though to be fair some of them are twits. What I don't see a lot of is people from that side of the argument reaching out to heal...
I get irked by the 'reluctant leaver’ and I'm not altogether convinced by what they come out with. They haven't got any better arguments than regular leavers for getting on with it - 'we lost, get over it, we're leaving', but presumably they know that in doing so we're collectively blowing the knees off the country. If you're smart enough to know that leaving is a bad idea, presumably the only way you can go along with it is if it won't have a great deal of impact on you. It just seems like the ultimate F U. If you know it's a bad idea, surely the compassionate thing to do is oppose it?
Is it just me, or is it totally weird in 2019 to assume people have a spare room?
no they dont in engerland they have bedroom tax....no one has a spare room, honest
and
if they do they have turned it into a mosque to avoid paying council tax
and
well you get the picture if you read the reality that is facebook
"Labour I think is the main answer, but very few actually know who Jeremy Corbyn is."
Sounds good then, people are always saying it's a cult of personality but maybe not.
"Reluctant Leave"
In interesting oxymoron of a species...
If we have an other vote I'll reluctantly vote leave cause you know..
Or There appears to currently be a majority to remain, I'd better swap my vote over to leave so that I don't piss off the angry minority. In doing so I acknowledge that I'll be pissing off the majority and voting for something I don't actually want.
HINT If the desire to leave is strong enough your vote doesn't matter, just vote remain and see what happens. If it's not you are delivering the exact opposite of a democratic outcome by voting for something you don't want.
So no vote next week unless May is certain to get her deal thru?..
Even idiots like McVeigh are realising that if they don't vote for May's deal they might kill Brexit.
I just can't see the DUP & the most swivel eyed ERG backing down
So now vote next week unless May is certain to get her deal thru?..
She has been told she might get 3 go's at it but certainly not 4. She could be holding her powder dry but it's hard to see her having any sort of plan.
I just can’t see the DUP & the most swivel eyed ERG backing down
In some ways like the lead by donkeys billboards it would be good here opponents just reel off quotes from the DUP and ERG to remind them what they think of the deal.
I've had to disengage from Facebook, the complete refusal of leavers to actually engage in debate - onewheelgood's post on the previous page is actually unique in my experience, I just can't find leavers to talk to on that level. All you get now is "leave means leave"/"not leaving is anti-democratic"/"you lost, get over it". No-one's talking about whether leaving's better any more. 🙁
Anyone marching next Saturday? Don't know if it'll make any difference but I just gotta be there.
Had dinner with a quitter last night. I gather that she wants out so that all the eu money will go to poor people.
Yep ,the tories will do that.
Had dinner with a quitter last night. I gather that she wants out so that all the eu money will go to poor people.
I hope you pointed out that we've already lost more in tax revenue than we spend on membership !
Leave was sold on a lie ( well lots actually but lets focus on 1 )
We pay £350m a week and we will give that to the NHS when we leave.
Forgetting that we don't pay £350m a week due to the rebate , and if we leave the government will have less money for everyone. Less jobs = less income tax, Less profits for business = less Corperation tax, increased unemploymet = more benefit claimants, No CAP for farmers = gov has to foot the bill or the farming sector goes into massive decline
Leave will force us into double austerity . They need us more than we need them . Lie . Its the other way round in a multiple of 6. We export 6 times the value into the EU than we import , roughly so who is going to be scewed over?
Being in is like buying a lottery ticket and winning a tenner every week. Being out will be like buying 10 lottery tickets and winning £1. Simplified for the masses.
These people voted and won and yes they can screw the country as thats what democracy is all about.
Can we put this one to bed? Irrespective of what Dave may have promised, the referendum carries no legal weight whatever. Our political system is a PARLIAMENTARY democracy. Parliament is sovereign, it is their responsibility to act in the best interests of the country. If they have the guts.
presumably they know that in doing so we’re collectively blowing the knees off the country
Maybe they think this is a bit of an exaggeration.
Maybe they think this is a bit of an exaggeration.
Found any positive outcomes of brexit yet - and I mean for the nation not the ones pulling the strings here
Benefits?
Well it's surely ended Chris grayling's ministerial future ....?
I mean it should have, but
Found any positive outcomes of brexit yet
Have we left yet? However, the economy has been far more resilient than I expected at the time of the vote, so that is a surprise on the upside. In reality, we got at least two to three more years before we leave, in ten years we may be able to make a decent judgement.
Yay the economy hasn't collapsed yet, win!
From the scientific research side it's already cost funding, driven away researchers and keeping us locked out of drug trials.
Can't wait to see what we get in the next 10 years 😐
Still the Toru party haven't split yet, so the most important part of this is working out
Maybe they think this is a bit of an exaggeration
Maybe they do. We're all entitled to our opinions.
Do you think we'll be more prosperous out of the EU?
Do you think we’ll be more prosperous out of the EU?
It is a realistic prospect, and if the the EU fails to resolve its structural issues, the likelihood increases. But there is no certainty in the world.
more prosperous?
For the 1%, quite possibly yes.
For the bottom 50%, very very unlikely.
For the middle 49%, most not, but some will gain.
But as a whole, no.
more prosperous
More prosperous in the future than now? Yes.
More prosperous than if we'd stayed in the EU? No.
Well at least mefty is sticking to the tory line even if they are not.
Don't think I've seen any positive predictions yet, I wonder what will fill the gap of Honda and Nissan both in tax take and employment.
However, the economy has been far more resilient than I expected at the time of the vote,
So the best thing you can find to say about brexit, after fifteen hundred pages of people asking, is that we're less ****ed than you expected?
Makes you think.
Or at least, it should.
A good article in yesterdays Observer, stating the bleeding obvious, if ironic, regarding 'taking back control'
Well done, Brexit ultras – the EU has never had more power over Britain
The hardcore Brexiteers are all too blinded by their fundamentalist ideology, or simply too thick to see it.
I've been listening to the noises these zealots are making over the weekend (in the papers and the politics programmes) and I'd say that any hope May has that these lot are going to come on board, change their minds and vote for her deal is absolutely delusional. The ERG/DUP absolutely wedded to their hard/no deal Brexit and like all zealots they simply refuse to compromise.
It would be a delicious irony if its their 'no surrender!' intransigence that ends up scuppering Brexit
Finger crossed
Well if you think about it, you would appreciate that we are not remotely ****ed.
Yet
I just can’t see the DUP [...] backing down
Depends how much May pays them, I imagine?
. In reality, we got at least two to three more years before we leave,
Or ten days, if the present competence of our political classes is maintained.
Well if you think about it, you would appreciate that we are not remotely *.
I read a report that trucks of food delayed by French customs in their "Brexit dry run" strike are being sent back unloaded as the contents are rotting. I'd call that well on the way to being *.
It's groundhog Day!
But my thread got closed
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-will-may-lose-by-tomorrow/
I reckon lose by 59
But in which case May won't put it for a vote for another few weeks, assuming there's an extension.
And she might just squeak it by then if it looks like a 2nd ref is on the cards.
The Tories have turned us into a joke.
In a few years time 'to brexit' will come to mean any act of self harm born of stupidity.
She might as well wait for EU summit on Thursday and see what type of extension she will get.
But in which case May won’t put it for a vote for another few weeks, assuming there’s an extension.
And she might just squeak it by then if it looks like a 2nd ref is on the cards.
That certainly needs preempted by Labour offering support if it's put to a Deal vs Remain ref vote.
However is there any way she can actually survive if we go past the 29th?? Is that not the point where somebody else needs to take the lead.
You may be right, Mike - the terrifying thought is that none of the front-runners appear any more competent...
Is that not the point where somebody else needs to take the lead.
Well Boris has been to the barbers and asked for a PM haircut.
The thing is that Brexit has caused every single previous parliamentary and political convention to be torn up, set alight too and then pissed on. So no-one has a bloody clue what is going to happen. If the normal rules of politics applied pretty much everyone from both main parties front benches would have had to resign by now, or been sacked.
When you look at the record of her almost daily humiliations, her complete clueless incompetence and her total absense of even a shred of authority, how she's still there is unbelievable.
I truly think the only reason she is is because if you take even a cursory glance at the potential replacements, then she still (somewhat unbelievably) looks like the least worst option.
Can you imagine the mess we'd be in if Boris was doing the negotiating? We'd probably be at war. His ridiculous, nationalist, populist posturing would be a route to total econmomic and political disaster, probably within a couple of days
I think even the vast majority of Tory MP's know this. Hence the Maybot still being there. Because the alternative just doesn't bear thinking about
Well if you think about it, you would appreciate that we are not remotely ****.
I appreciate that you're trying to be optimistic, but you did see the Brexit Sec (the man who's job is actually is to make sure we don't get screwed over in these "negotiations") not only voting against his own Party's whip to delay brexit, but doing so after making a speech in the house exhorting MPs to do exactly the opposite? And He still has his job...This is a govt so ****ed it can't actually control a 3 line whip of it's own Cabinet. It is these clowns who we're relying on to not to "remotely **** it up". I think we can all agree that particular ship has sailed.
Can you imagine the mess we’d be in if Boris was doing the negotiating? We’d probably be at war. His ridiculous, nationalist, populist posturing would be a route to total econmomic and political disaster, probably within a couple of days
If that were the case we may have been at war, bu I think that Boris would have been very, very rich too.