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So what about all the US airbases around the world? 128 of them? blocking access or taking them back?
Blocking access to an airfield would ultimately require shooting down planes and that would have repercussions.
Yeah, the US has used Russia as the bogeyman, misinformation, and economic fear to isolate nations and bully them into submission. But if we co-ordinated and understood what was at risk I think we would take the economic hit to rid us of project2025's vision of the world. I don't think the Americans would be as ready to suffer the economic consequences to impose the project2025 vision onto the world.
And that is why Trump and the project2025 architects fear Europe because despite all its faults it is stronger together than separated, that is why Russia's and the US's aims align, a united Europe is a message of unity and hope against their message of hate and division, that's why they hate it and want to destroy it. Bullies fear their victims ganging together to fight back and that's what we need to do, along with Canada and other democracies that don't want to lose their freedom.
I completely agree
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I heard on the radio yesterday that the one that the plaque thatcommemorates the people who were killed by the demonstrators who attacked the Capitol has been removed, contrary to the law.
I also saw some (German) news article that plaques commemorating the sacrifices of black servicemen during WW2 have been removed from the American service cemeteries in Europe. Just in case anyone has any doubt what the US now stands for and their vision for the world.
I don't think the Americans would be as ready to suffer the economic consequences to impose the project2025 vision onto the world.
Half the population would celebrate it. Or shift blame elsewhere. And the administration would get away with it. Who'd stop them? They have been testing the ground for this over the last 12 months, and have got away with it so far.
...that is why Russia's and the US's aims align, a united Europe is a message of unity and hope against their message of hate and division, that's why they hate it and want to destroy it. Bullies fear their victims ganging together to fight back and that's what we need to do, along with Canada and other democracies that don't want to lose their freedom.
Completely agree. We need to "unite" and prepare before we "stand up" to the USA though. Do this in the wrong order and we're screwed. Because the USA may well be using Russia as a "bogeyman", but Russia will take the exposed and weak... and if isolated, that's most European countries, including the UK. The "we don't need the USA for our defence" needs to be made true, not just wished for, if we're going to tell them where to go...
I also saw some (German) news article that plaques commemorating the sacrifices of black servicemen during WW2 have been removed from the American service cemeteries in Europe. Just in case anyone has any doubt what the US now stands for and their vision for the world.
In the Netherlands, IIRC.
Completely agree. We need to "unite" and prepare before we "stand up" to the USA though. Do this in the wrong order and we're screwed.
We don't have time left to prepare. If Trump makes a move we have to respond however ill prepared we are.
If he moves soon in any military capacity, we can't stop him. Talking as if we can won't change that. Miller is right that no one would fight the US over the future of Greenland. Strong statements made by leaders of the UK, Germany, France etc are welcomed... but they really can't be backed up by military action. Even if there wasn't Putin to worry about to the East at the same time (which there very much is).
As for trade wars... Europe can't even give a united front on Trump's tariff nonsense so far. How hard would he have to go before we agreed to one customs area/response across all of Europe?
ICE now killing innocent people in the streets of America.
Woman in a car executed via 3-4 shots to the face earlier today.
Trump's America.
If he moves soon in any military capacity, we can't stop him.
They are fighting an economic and information war against us and that is where we have to start fighting back. We gave already given to much ground, and ****wit Starmer is going to give everything away before he even realises what is happening.
ICE now killing innocent people in the streets of America.
Woman in a car executed via 3-4 shots to the face earlier today.
Trump's America.
Trumps personal militia are no different from the death squads favoured by the despotic South American regimes he claims to despise
The irony…
Waltz talking about mobilising the national guard to.ptotect the state from ICE is not insignificant
I had never heard of Waltz before he was selected for Harris's running mate, I soon began to wish he had been the actual presidential candidate, he was a million miles ahead of Harris in his connection to the public, his honesty, his forthrightness and his compassion.
Cant help thinking Trump/miller/vance/noem wanted something exactly like this , Trump and the administrations lies are obviously bullshit, you can see from the videos, but they don't care, the jan 6 rioters are heroes, trump is a genius, tariffs dont contribute to inflation..... his cult don't care theyll believe what he says
hes just said hes going to increase military spending by 1/2 a trillion dollars
id like to think this is just late stage dementia and he's not long for this world, sadly i fear its another full term before this turd is flushed
but if he popped his clogs tomorrow the factions behind him would descend into infighting , not before shafting Ukraine and god knows what else
I've just seen the videos of that woman shot by an ICE agent.
It's stone cold murder. Trying to say she was a terrorist to justify it is outrageous.
Trump is tearing America apart, not too mention the rest of the world.
That murder is absolutely chilling and completely indefensible but Trump lied about her being a domestic terrorist.
These MAGA morons are absolute scum who value nothing.
This is a ****ing nightmare start to 2026. Poor woman.
The shooting victim has been identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good, a US citizen
Meanwhile…
“More cheese, Grommet?”
These MAGA morons are absolute scum who value nothing.
Not entirely true. God and guns, apparently.
Trump has empowered the very worst people in American society and essentially legitimised mob rule.
There will be no repercussions for the loon who just shot a woman 4 times in the face for no reason, and everyone knows it.
And that will have the desired effect that those people Trump and his redneck MAGA mob don’t like are then living in fear that the exact same thing could happen to them.
First I've read about this victim of ICE.
I guess most news outlets are choosing to ignore it - gets worse by the day.
Trumps 2nd term started off as almost a comedy sketch. Dozy Don and his band of feeble minded idiots coming up with incredibly stupid ideas, saying the most uneducated and stupid things you'd expect an adult to say .. then messing their plans up of course.
But now it's turned sinister and evil. And the most terrifying thing is that USA are the most powerful nation in the world and their population are happy to either chant USA-USA or feebly complain from the back and allow it to continue.
This is one of the points in history where it could turn against them, probably not, but if it did have to happen it is better that it happened in the state that Tim Waltz is governor of. I think that he can handle this better than someone like Newsome would if it had happened in California, Waltz will do a much better job of connecting the victim to everyone's friends and families, of highlighting this could happen in their streets to their neighbours, the people they say hello to in the street, the faces they see every day could be the next victim of these murderers.
I'll boycott Amazon later this year when the Reacher and Niegley series have dropped.
Its the problem, people aren’t going to boycott US stuff as it’s too embedded in their daily lives.
Most stuff is being hosted on Azure or AWS (no one wants the hassle of hardware) and using other hosted dbs,nosql backends and authentication provided by Us companies.
First I've read about this victim of ICE.
I guess most news outlets are choosing to ignore it - gets worse by the day.
Trumps 2nd term started off as almost a comedy sketch. Dozy Don and his band of feeble minded idiots coming up with incredibly stupid ideas, saying the most uneducated and stupid things you'd expect an adult to say .. then messing their plans up of course.
But now it's turned sinister and evil. And the most terrifying thing is that USA are the most powerful nation in the world and their population are happy to either chant USA-USA or feebly complain from the back and allow it to continue.
I think it’s pretty breaking news for uk ,news cycle will probably start picking up on it.
IMHO it’s been expected for a long time , gang of masked thugs running around with guns is bound to end in this type of issue, US police killing US people isn’t exactly new news.
This could kick off more repercussions but Trump will use it to his advantage.
They’ve always been a bunch of flag wavers (and why not) and don’t forget if your not with trump your suffering from trump derangement syndrome.
First I've read about this victim of ICE.
I guess most news outlets are choosing to ignore it - gets worse by the day.
It only happened last night and is front page / top story on the three news feeds I have - Sky, Guardian, BBC.
It is lower down on GB News (top story before a massive paywall/cookies banner appears over it seems to be something about Pub Landlords) and also lower down on the Telegraph who are licking Donald's bum over giving Putin a bloody nose by boarding his oil tanker
First I've read about this victim of ICE.
I guess most news outlets are choosing to ignore it - gets worse by the day.
Second lead on BBC news at 10 last night, and it was all over my FB from various US and British sources within an hour of it happening.
It's not the first time ICE have shot someone and lied about what happened, of course.
If I was cynical, I'd say they are putting untrained ICE agents in the field to do crazy stuff like this to provoke wider protests requiring a state of emergency to be declared and the cancelling of the midterms.
The Mayor of Minneapolis was very clear that ICE should "get the **** out" of his city.
licking Donald's bum over giving Putin a bloody nose by boarding his oil tanker
I suspect the impact on Putin isn't part of the main plan, these actions are about Venezuela, if it was about Russia it would have been happening much earlier.
First I've read about this victim of ICE.
I guess most news outlets are choosing to ignore it - gets worse by the day.
Utter nonsense. It's the biggest story of the day in every news source out there.
This is on the homepage of the NY Times, below other big stories on Venezuela.
This is on the homepage of The Washington Post.
This is the CNN homepage
TBH, it's been only a matter of time before this happened.
If the ICE agent (thug) is charged with murder, is that a state crime or as they are a federal agent is it a federal crime?
Just wondering if orange Mussolini can pardon them or not.
He won't be charged with anything. They never are.
After Trump pardoning all the January 6th insurectionists, even the ones who nearly beat a police officer to death, the message was sent out load and clear... you are imune from prosecution. Do whatever the hell you like, as long as you do it in our name.
Trump has already come out to bat for them and said she was a violent protestor who tried to run an ICE officer over, so he shot her in self defense.
Case closed. Move along now. Nothing to see here
there's a video of the shooting, the vicitm is doing a 3 point turn, not driving at the ICE agent, the acceleration happens after shes hit and no ICE agents are hurt.
It doesn't matter. We all know how these whitewashes go. It might complicate things slightly that she wasn't black, but not by much.
Just seen the footage on the BBC. If that had happened on The Sopranos it would have been shocking. To see it happening in the "real" world defies belief.
Looking at my Threads feed I can already see people blaming her.
Disgusting.
She had three children. This has hit me hard for some reason. There have been plenty of innocents killed in Gaza and Ukraine but seeing the video and then Trump and Noem's labelling her as a terrorist has shown there is no shred of decency or sanity in the MAGA leadership.
The world is turning to shit and I feel powerless to do anything about it. People in the office are talking about last night's football games like nothing happened.
I've just watched Trumps Secretary of homeland security, Kristi Noem, with a straight face, refer to her actions as 'an act of domestic terrorism'
Thats the narrative then. Expect them to double down on it. I'm sure they've got their attack dogs in the TV press/Fox News/Musk on X sharing made up nonsense about her, as thats their usual MO
If the ICE agent (thug) is charged with murder, is that a state crime or as they are a federal agent is it a federal crime?
Just wondering if orange Mussolini can pardon them or not.
I'm sure there will be lawyers frantically looking at that right now. It's a Democrat controlled city so the local prosecutors will be highly motivated to find state crimes they can charge. ICE and the agent's lawyers will obviously prefer federal charges if they can't avoid charges entirely.
The flood of bot comments attacking this victim on the Daily Mail comments is something to behold. You can always tell when someone in St Petersburg has decided that this will be the focus of efforts that day.
But are you sure it's coming from St Petersburg, and not DC...?
If the ICE agent (thug) is charged with murder, is that a state crime or as they are a federal agent is it a federal crime?
If the federal government want to charge him, it's a federal crime. If the state wants to, it's a state crime. If a federal agent is charged at state level, they can request it referred to federal but federal can refuse and it goes back to state.
Fox News was exposing the victim last night as a lesbian and a poet with pronouns in her bio.
Just to make any doubting white citizens realise that she wasn't like them after all, so nothing to worry about.
Used to go to the States a lot. Lovely place really. Have family there. Now? No chance, not going to entertain going there whilst this scumbag is in control.
The world is turning to shit and I feel powerless to do anything about it. People in the office are talking about last night's football games like nothing happened.
Yep, not giving a shit about things you can't do anything about is an effective way of dealing with things unless of course football is impacted by something.
We can all see from the video what happened. There isn't even the slightest doubt about the facts. It's hugely scary that American government officials can stand up and spin such an egrerious falsehood & be taken even remotely seriously.
What I find odd is the support for the clown here in the UK. Lots of people I know seem to support the moron for being decisive and authoritarian. I get liking a strong leader, yet I can't equate what he does as anything other than being a weak, uncaring and bullying individual who is desperate just to be in power.
I hope the ICE thug is charged at state level, not federal. Apparently if he is charged and found guilty at a federal level then trump can pardon him (going by his reaction so far he probably would) but if state level then Trump cannot pardon?
there's a video of the shooting, the vicitm is doing a 3 point turn, not driving at the ICE agent, the acceleration happens after shes hit and no ICE agents are hurt.
She refused to stop and was potentially using her SUV as a weapon. The video on the BBC clearly shows the first and the agent who shot her was close enough that being worried by her actions wouldn't be unreasonable.
The video I saw looked like ICE were telling her to stop and she tried to set off with one of them right in front of her and got shot for it. Maybe there’s more to it than that but I’d hardly say it’s black and white. I’d have hoped we’d all have learned not to overreact over short video clips after the Manchester airport video.
"in the real 4th Reich, you'll be the first to go."
Why do the BBC (and others) lead their news reports with the claims/description of events coming from the Trump administration? What happened to the news being about reporting events not repeating comments?
I've drawn my own conclusions
The video I saw looked like ICE were telling her to stop and she tried to set off with one of them right in front of her and got shot for it.
Rather than move out of the way? Stop or you die might be excusable when dealing with armed mass murders… she wasn’t anything like that.
The video on the BBC clearly shows the first and the agent who shot her was close enough that being worried by her actions wouldn't be unreasonable.
I often feel that when I'm 'worried' about something, shooting somebody repeatedly in the face at point blank range would be an entirely reasonable and proportionate response
She refused to stop and was potentially using her SUV as a weapon.
[bollocks was she]
You're initials are DT and I claim my £5!
(DT actually said the ****er Agent was lucky to be alive after being hit by the car - my eyes show him stepping to the side and shooting as the car went past)
Why do the BBC (and others) lead their news reports with the claims/description of events coming from the Trump administration?
I have thought that for a few years now, they always/mainly lead with the headline of the official line no matter how clearly bullshit it is. Not just Trump though, it is horrifically evident in the coverage of Gaza that the headline was usually repeating Israeli propaganda.
And I don't know about everyone else, but I have limited capacity to keep reading about innocent people and children being murdered by state sanctioned thugs wherever it is happening and rarely get to the small print at the end that meekly states the headline is disputed.
Of course I am sure that many STW contributors feel that the coverage is balanced as the orange shitgibbon also complains about its coverage, that is the logical fallacy usually rolled in its defence.
When is Trump going to kill motor vehicles? Motor vehicles killed 40,000 people in the US in 2023!
From wikipedia "Between 1899 and 2023, there were 3,996,709 traffic fatalities in the United States."
ICE agents aren’t the police. Some might deliberately blur that line as they go about their business, but they are not the police.
I had no idea Cressida Dick was a forum member
ICE agents aren’t the police. Some might deliberately blur that line as they go about their business, but they are not the police.
This is extremely important. ICE have no authority to detain U.S. citizens so the argument that she wasn't following orders and it was a justified shooting has zero merit. Police do have the authority to shoot people in specific circumstances, but refusing a traffic stop is not one of those. ICE don't have authority to to conduct traffic stops on U.S. citizens, let alone shoot people for refusing to stop.
the agent who shot her was close enough that being worried by her actions wouldn't be unreasonable
This shouldn't even be an argument. He was in front of her left wing and she was turning away to the right. So she wasn't aiming at him Even if she wasn't turning away he could have stepped to his right to avoid her. Furthermore he shoots her twice through her open door window. She ain't going to be running him over if she is driving away from him. The truth really has become whatever it is you want to believe these days.
Christian, blond, Mom with a tragic past who was often described as a good person. Not the type of person that MAGA usually hate. Might be a turning point for middle America. That's what my US colleague in Rayleigh just told me.
Not the type of person that MAGA usually hate.
She had pronouns in her social media bios and her wife was at the scene. Exactly the type of person that MAGA hates.
I've only seen footage from behind the vehicle whose driver was shot. Seems to an ICE goon talking to the driver through the drivers window and the one who shot her was in front of the vehicle as she began to move forward, so while I can see how they are spinning it as "self defence to avoid being run over", even though that's as insane as shooting the driver.
Without wanting to sound ghoulish, is there any footage from the front of the vehicle, showing how it looked from the shooters side? He must have had his gun out and pointed at the driver before she began to carry on with her 3 point turn and/or comply with his colleagues request to move.
Just had to point out to a Reform stooge on SM that this matters over here in the UK because both Reform and Tories have said "we need a force like ICE"
He was already unholstering his gun before she moved forward, she may have brushed him as she tried to escape but the impact didn't appear to be enough to physically move his position in any way. He didn't look panicked or fearing for his life, he looked calm and collected throughout, in fact he appears to move a lean towards the car and place his hand on the bonnet to fire his first shot, IMO he had already decided what he was going to do as he put his phone away, and executed her in plain sight.
This isn't from the front, but its slowed down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ceqzj9932wjo
iirc, you were in the military so might have more experience of these heightened tension situations than I do.
Just had to point out to a Reform stooge on SM that this matters over here in the UK because both Reform and Tories have said "we need a force like ICE"
As theres just been a report published here about unvetted officers being allowed into the Metropolitan Police, and what this led to (multiple rapes etc) I'm just grateful that at the very worst, any psychotic nutters with badges in this country aren't routinely armed. It seems like any old trigger-happy headcase can join ICE. In fact they're positively welcomed
The most terrifying thing about the video is the casual, even nonchalant fashion the ICE officer puts his gun away and saunters back down the street having murdered someone in the most brutal fashion imaginable. Not a single •••• given. Just another day at the office....
I'm sure the Robert Jenricks and Lee Andersons of the world would absolutely love the power to do the same over here
The Orwellian doubling down continues. From the Guardian just now....
JD Vance just called Renee Nicole Macklin Good, the 37-year-old woman fatally shot by an ICE agent a “deranged leftist” who tried to run the federal officer over.
In a wide-ranging interview with the New York Times, Donald Trump repeated his claims that the ICE agent who fatally shot Renee Nicole Macklin Good acted in self-defense.
The president, when asked by Times reporters how he decided that Good attempted to run over the immigration agent who shot her, asked an aide to replay video footage of the incident.
“She behaved horribly,” Trump told the Times. “And then she ran him over. She didn’t try to run him over. She ran him over.”
Notably, the reporters in the room said that the video they president played did not appear to show Good running over the ICE agent.
Instead, it shows her backing up after another agent attempts to get her out of the car, moving forward and attempting to turn before she is shot.
“It’s a terrible scene,” the president said. “I think it’s horrible to watch. No, I hate to see it.”
Not as much as her family and friends though, eh Donald?
This shouldn't even be an argument. He was in front of her left wing and she was turning away to the right. So she wasn't aiming at him Even if she wasn't turning away he could have stepped to his right to avoid her. Furthermore he shoots her twice through her open door window. She ain't going to be running him over if she is driving away from him. The truth really has become whatever it is you want to believe these days.
So much this ^^^ how anyone can try to distort the truth and say it was anything different is beyond comprehension. But, as we have seen again and again, Team Trump will tell everyone what their truth is, and expect it to be believed. Not that they care if the "Lunatic Left" don't believe them.
She definitely drove at the ICE agent, you can see him jump aside. She was turning so probably just intending to get away, but she had been told to get out of the car - so the correct course of action was to get out of the car and avoid getting shot.
She definitely drove at the ICE agent, you can see him jump aside. She was turning so probably just intending to get away
So – was she driving at the ICE agent or turning so probably intending to get away? They can't both be the truth.
So – was she driving at the ICE agent or turning so probably intending to get away? They can't both be the truth.
"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
"She definitely drove at the ICE agent, you can see him jump aside. She was turning so probably just intending to get away, but she had been told to get out of the car - so the correct course of action was to get out of the car and avoid getting shot."
Apart from the fact that ICE agents have no jurisdiction over US citizens. Are you seriously saying that she deserved to be shot twice in the face for brushing an ICE agent with her car? If I were you, I'd go take a long hard look in the mirror and try to figure out where it went wrong. There is zero justification for what happened. Zero.
I cannot believe that people on here are trying to justify this callous murder. To those that do would you excuse such behaviour by an ill trained bunch of "law enforcement" in the UK?
Who knows what could happen if Reform get into power?
If you tolerate this...........
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https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3mbujjukc5c23
This appears to show where everyone was during the run-up to the murder. Because murder it was.
Anyone who served in Northern Ireland and completed the NIRTT course will have watched that video and said the ICE agent was in the wrong. This exact scenario was covered quite a few times in the training for NI. A simple side step would have de-escalated the situation.
That’s my tuppence worth anyway
Im just waiting for the killers history of domestic violence, nazi tattoos and horrifc internet postings to hit the press
the agent who shot her was close enough that being worried by her actions wouldn't be unreasonable
This shouldn't even be an argument. He was in front of her left wing and she was turning away to the right. So she wasn't aiming at him Even if she wasn't turning away he could have stepped to his right to avoid her. Furthermore he shoots her twice through her open door window. She ain't going to be running him over if she is driving away from him. The truth really has become whatever it is you want to believe these days.
Her wheels were spinning before she was shot and she clearly wasn't in proper control of the SUV. Just because ICE aren't the god guys doesn't mean she wasn't trying to use the SUV as a weapon. It's America, once they've started shooting they don't generally stop until the target is dead. If they think she's a threat they should hardly just let her have the chance to try again.
If find it interesting that some of the people here saying that it's fine to drive at people when they're ICE agents where up in arms about people driving very slowly at climate change protesters.
She definitely drove at the ICE agent, you can see him jump aside. She was turning so probably just intending to get away
So – was she driving at the ICE agent or turning so probably intending to get away? They can't both be the truth.
Of course they can both be true. She can intend one thing and actually do another. Both would be very stupid in this situation though.
I should be clear that I don't think it was a justified shooting, but driving at armed officers in America is always likely to end that way.
Her wheels were spinning before she was shot and she clearly wasn't in proper control of the SUV. Just because ICE aren't the god guys doesn't mean she wasn't trying to use the SUV as a weapon.
Did that make sense when you typed it out? You say she wasn't in control of the car, but at the same time you deduce that she was trying to use it to kill someone? How can that be?
If they think she's a threat they should hardly just let her have the chance to try again.
You think the murderer continued shooting to prevent her from backing up and trying to run someone over?
people here saying that it's fine to drive at people
Which people are those?
He never jumped aside, he leaned in and shot first.