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It's the old problem of the real world having a liberal bias, isn't it.
Just more windbaggery from trump but it keeps his name in the media and reinforces his fake news/biased media bluster.
Don’t take the threat too lightly - all he has to do is call is friend Bill Gates and tell him to switch off the internet.
How does Trump's presidency work if he switches off Twitter?
Is that not like cutting off his own legs?
He'll switch to the Russian alternative of VK It's the best, most secure social media there is PERIOD.
I’m waiting to see what his executive order will be, as above even he’s not dumb enough to actually want to shut Twitter down. I can see him trying to make it illegal to edit/add to his posts in any way (to stop them tagging on fact check links) but I can’t see how he has the power to do that, it’s a company not a public body
Because he feels social media outlets are guilty of censorship he's threatening them with censorship so that we'll have our freedom again.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265819308699070464
'freedom' is a curious phenomena in the hands of libertarians. We should be free to do whatever we want - unless other peoples freedoms impede my freedoms obviously - we should have regulations to prevent that.
The bloke really does think because he's president he can do what he likes. As for closing it down, that's a laugh, I'd like to know what power he has to do that and also is he willing to put about 4900 Twitter and tens of thousand Facebook employees out of work. Thing is though thinking about he's arrogant enough to do it.
Besides when you sign up to these platforms don't you have to tick a box to agree with the company's terms and conditions? So if you break their rules they have the right to censor you or even close your account down?
He's just setting up the long con to dispute the results of the election
He’s just setting up the long con to dispute the results of the election
This ^
See also his attacks on vote-by-mail and against anything that might encourage the 'wrong' kind of people to vote in greater numbers.
If he wins the next election then it's because he beat all the evil censorship and voter fraud so that they got the 'correct' result.
And if he loses then it's all down to censorship and voter fraud preventing the 'correct' result.
The only correct outcome in his head is that he wins.
Wait, Trump is bezzies with child-culler Gates?
Hang on, maybe he 'never met the guy'. I think its Thursday so probably that today.
I bet the great ginger loon high fived himself when he rhymed looting and shooting.
Looks like the 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!' tweet has been tagged.
Twitter sticking to their guns - or a rogue employee? It's not censorship, is it? Just pointing out where their T&Cs have been breached.
It's the same everywhere, Don has twitter and Dom has Boris.
If I was twitter right now I'd be making a statement along the lines of due to the latest edict by the POTUS they have no choice but to suspend all accounts with a reputation for posting untruths for fear of possible lawsuits.
And then of course suspend the orange one's account as the first to go.
Without twitter to vent his spleen he'd end up furiously fisting himself for self satisfaction. Hopefully to death.
I bet the great ginger loon high fived himself when he rhymed looting and shooting.
Turns out it's much more sinister than that.
That last line is the same quote made by former Miami Police Chief Walter Headley. The following is an excerpt from a December 28, 1967 article by United Press International about what was described as Headley's "shotgun crackdown on Negro slum hoodlums."
This is brilliant that Twitter have finally taken a stand. Can't wait for Trump to wake up and discover he's been owned.
Twitter should just delete Trump's account for being an arse.
It's their app/network, they can do what they want.
If the worst happens, then just turn Twitter off. I doubt it has improved humanity
Nobody would have any outlet to vent their frustration if Twitter was shut off anyway, so it'd be a silent win-win. 🙂
I don't use Twitter but why should they turn themselves off? they give jobs to 4500 people. IMO it would be better if they just deleted Trump's account because of constant violation breaches.
Has he actually done anything productive while in office? He seemed to have lied to farmers about trade deals he would set up, cutting back on the military, and it's budget and his idea to help states is to threaten and bully its governors. It's just that he seems to be using his time in office to benefit himself and his minions and bully anyone who goes against him.
They can just move the registered office to another country and he can suck it up along with having his account closed for being a nob.
He would be just left with Fox News then. He was very cross with them mildly disagreeing with him last week and suggested they should bring back Roger Ailes, despite him being
a) A known sex predator who was sacked before the movie came out
and
b) dead
Just watched his statement.
So his retaliation is to threaten to remove the 'liability shield' from social media companies (i.e. currently they are not legally responsible for what people post as they are deemed a neutral platform).
Dunno why they have this protection anyway TBH. Sounds like the sort of legislation that's been carried over from the phone companies.
Be interesting today to see how McEnany or Trump spin the 'looting starts, the shooting starts' tweet.
Are these the great American companies that under no cicumstances would he allow to be made to pay their actual tax. In fact didn't he wave about some serious threats when EU raised the prospect.
Child culler Gates? Shut up you oaf.
Is it just me, or has this Minneapolis uprising got the potential to go nuclear? It's bad enough the whole police killing black people thing, but once that's connected to the fact that black and ethnic minorities are disproportionately affected by covid the whole country could go up. Trump could have a nationwide race war on his hands very quickly.
This happened on live TV this morning.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1266315061221613569?s=19
https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1266321293974134784?s=19
Just watched that. Scary as shit!
There's a leak of the order... this is what the US govt has seen fit to work on "Free speech" "china" blah blah, with all the issues going on at the moment. Man it's scary.
Watch out STW, anarchy will reign
"For the purposes of this order, the term "online platform" means any website or application that allows users to create and share content or engage in social networking"
No more mods! hahaha
daz - no it's not just you; definite potential to escalate massively and quickly.
Regrettably, trump isn't bothered.
White police violence on black civilians in the US appears to be increasing and the orange buffoon is either disinterested or oblivious to it.
The worst president - ever - without a single redeeming character trait.
Loathsome and odious.
So his retaliation is to threaten to remove the ‘liability shield’ from social media companies (i.e. currently they are not legally responsible for what people post as they are deemed a neutral platform).
Wouldn't that be entirely counterproductive to his cause? It they made Twitter responsible for everything he posted on there, about 95% of his bollocks would be moderated before it got posted. I've got socks with more intellect than Trump.
Has he awoken yet?
Link to arrest above
#toolateagain- doh
White police violence on black civilians in the US appears to be increasing and the orange buffoon is either disinterested or oblivious to it.
It's crazy. Add together the anger about police violence, covid, unemployment, poverty and the number of guns in circulation it could rapidly turn into something that looks like a civil war. I worry for my mates living over there, especially the ones in LA. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Trump and his cronies to be encouraging it, as then he'll have an excuse to invoke emergency powers and delay the election.
Dunno why they have this protection anyway TBH. Sounds like the sort of legislation that’s been carried over from the phone companies.
It's there because without this protection it's very hard for them to operate. If they are liable for all the content they host, then they have to vet / verify all that content before publising it. In the case of twitter thats 500 million tweets every day that they will need to check. For youtube its 300 hours of content every minute! There's no way they can possibly do that manually.
Automated methods are being tried, but they are laughably / outrageously shit. The only way that manual methods could work would be to have a curated set of content creators. But thats a newspaper / tv, not social media. It's only social media if Karen can speak her brains. All 500 million of them.
daz, you worry about your mates living in the US; one of my sons lives there with american wife and two year old. I wish they didn't.
The leaked draft you posted confirms the US is on the road to becoming a banana republic while trying to hide behind a veneer of democracy.
If trump fails to get re-elected, this exec order will be one of the first to be rescinded.
Will zuckerberg come out in support of Twitter? Would be appropriate if he did - but I doubt he will.
Judicial review and constitutional uproar to follow in short order.
As for the CNN crew being arrested, that will do nothing to calm the situation.
That CNN video is amazing, no explanation just arrested and carted off very much an abuse of authority.
Just watched that, very troubling just arrested the whole crew.
Trump's draft executive order is just "old man shouting at the sky". To quote one lawyer from Boston University;
“...claims tech platforms are doing something they’re not, in violation of an incorrect interpretation of law, and tasks agencies it can’t task to look into the things that aren’t being done that wouldn’t be wrong.”
But that shouldn't distract from whats' going on in the US right now. Far right groups are actively engaged in the riots at Minneapolis, scary stuff indeed.
My lads prediction of America splitting in two after visiting last summer is looking horribly accurate
Dear god! That CNN footage is terrifying. Thats proper police state shit! And of course its the inevitable conclusion to years of demonising the press by Trump
I couldn't believe it this morning that the President of the United States actually tweeted:
"when the looting starts, the shooting starts" in relation to sending the national guard in
Put this together with his threats against social media companies now, like he's been doing to the rest of the press for years and you're getting into full on fascist dictatorship territory now
Jesus - that CNN footage is bloody scary
Minnesota Gov Tim Waltz has apologised for the arrests "It was totally unacceptable"
The reporters have been released
Oh, that's ok then!! No harm done
Will zuckerberg come out in support of Twitter? Would be appropriate if he did – but I doubt he will.
He did the exact opposite actually, on Fox too...
https://www.foxnews.com/media/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-twitter-fact-checking-trump
Facebook takes advertising dollars from Trump, Twitter does not 🤔
The 'the shooting starts' statement is still on Facebook.
Made me smile...
Has he actually done anything productive while in office?
No.
He seemed to have lied to farmers about trade deals he would set up, cutting back on the military, and it’s budget and his idea to help states is to threaten and bully its governors. It’s just that he seems to be using his time in office to benefit himself and his minions and bully anyone who goes against him.
Seems? That’s exactly what he’s doing.
I couldn’t believe it this morning that the President of the United States actually tweeted:
“when the looting starts, the shooting starts” in relation to sending the national guard inPut this together with his threats against social media companies now, like he’s been doing to the rest of the press for years and you’re getting into full on fascist dictatorship territory now
Remember Kent State University. Trump is basically encouraging armed insurrection - I can easily see a full-on civil war in America, and it will be very, very ugly, with armed police, some with armoured vehicles and ex-military weapons making them a paramilitary force, and the National Guard, combined with all of the armed civilian right-wing militias turning the country into a bloodbath, with Angry Tinkerbell cheerleading from his golf club.
Just watched that CNN footage, Angry Tinkerbell is constantly calling out CNN for ‘fake news’, maybe he’s passed along a ‘suggestion’ that the state police might get extra funding if CNN is ‘hindered’ in their attempts to spread ‘fake news’ about him...
Holy shit the world is going to hell in a handcart... That CNN video has properly worried me.
It's interesting that a month ago, Masked white people stood inside State Capital buildings fully tooled up and the cops did the square sum of **** all. A black man is murdered by cops, some people protest and it ends with rioting and arrests of TV crews.
It's hard to conclude anything other than the the US is totalled screwed.
Oh, that’s ok then!! No harm done
I don't think there hasn't been harm, just posting that they'd been released.
It’s hard to conclude anything other than the the US is totalled screwed.
I'm trying hard not to look for conspiracies, but with only 6 months to the election I can only conclude Trump is trying to sow as much chaos as possible to either give him the excuse to delay it, or keep people distracted while they put whatever they need to in place to fix the result. It's not over the top to compare it to early 30s germany. It's like a 3 pronged attack on the black and ethnic population. First covid kills off a significant percentage and puts the rest in fear, the lack of economic support drives them to destitution, and then the white supremacist police, supported by the militias do the rest. If the black population manage to get organised it'll be a bloodbath in the big cities.
The reporters have been released
CNN lawyer: "What exactly are you charging my clients with?
Cops: " They didn't move when we told them to "
CNN Lawyer : *Turns on TV* ... "Right lads, let's go"
it’ll be a bloodbath in the big cities.
Bellingcat piece about militia groups
Already happening, Parts of the online community are trying actively to mainstream Civil War
Holy shit! I hadn't even imagined that the far right militia movement might 'join' (as in fight with them because it's convenient, rather than out of solidarity) with the black protestors against the cops. It makes sense I guess, but it's bloody terrifying.
Innit!
and in what appears to be said straight faced and with a complete lack of self awareness, Trump's Social media advisor (I know, who knew?) has suggested that Twitter is "full of shit"
Yes mate, most of it comes from the toilet that impersonates your boss' brain
Its Judge Dredd with negative political overtones. As well as the police being tooled up and intimidating, did you notice the armed National Guard about halfway through the vid, in Urban Camo?
Its a shoot to kill suppression via Police/Military state - as people have said created by and endorsed by Trump's attitude.
Trouble is the state will lose if it goes wrong, plenty of total idiots on the right spoiling for a fight with anyone, very large black and hispanic communities pushed well past breaking point, many middle class and urban residents who hate trump, it has all the makings of another Syria, but probably with more guns!
Add into the mix trump's increasingly strident posts about mail-in votes and his *perception* that a rigged election will result.
If he loses, his immediate response will be '...it's a fix' and he will refuse to accept the result.
What's best for the US?
- trump assassinated but that will then result in pres pence
or
- lose election, legal cases proceed, court appearance(s), jail time, true financial position exposed, trump family removed from any positions of influence
My head says the latter, heart says the former.
I hope you're correct frankconway. I'd be okay with either of the scenarios you've outlined. It really is a ****ed up place, the most backwards first world nation and I think it's time as a major force in the world is coming to an end. I can see the union dissolving in the next few years. Whether that's a good of bad thing though I don't know.
frankconway
SubscriberAdd into the mix trump’s increasingly strident posts about mail-in votes and his *perception* that a rigged election will result.
If he loses, his immediate response will be ‘…it’s a fix’ and he will refuse to accept the result.
No surprise, I mean, that was the plan last time.
dazh - just read that Bellingcat piece, and ended up in a very deep internet wormhole. Mind blowing stuff....!
There will also be proud armed americans at voting stations making sure the democrats don't cheat at the next election. as a law that prevented this intimidation has expired.
https://twitter.com/chrispolanco/status/1266580722103574529?s=08
I think that is tear gas, one hell of a volley!
Personally I don't think Donald has enjoyed being Pres. and I don't think he'll be too bothered if/when he loses in November. I think he thought being Pres would be like the movies, or West Wing, where everyone hangs on your every word and utterance and any idle whims are catered for. I don't think he realised what a ball ache it was all going to be.
But being ex-president...He can gripe form the sidelines, he can tell everyone legitimately what he thinks and folk have to at least pretend to pay attention, he can play golf all day long with a ego-puffing security guard always just in-sight, and he gets to tell everyone about being Pres and that he was President...All the upsides, none of that pesky politics shit.
Mind you, I've been 180 degs wrong on this very thread about Trump before, so I'm probs just projecting. I wouldn't pay any attention to my predictions.
Personally I don’t think Donald has enjoyed being Pres. and I don’t think he’ll be too bothered if/when he loses in November.
I have a feeling that he may miss the legal protections of being an incumbent pres, though. That's why he's clinging on, there's a shedload of criminal investigations heading his way the moment he gets on the chopper and flies away from the WH.
That's why he's already setting up the 'fixed election' line for when he loses. He did it last time when he thought he was going to lose, so we know it's in his playbook.
I’ve been wearing buff-style neck warmers with a skull design for ages, and Hawaiian style shirts during the summer, even a Planet X one, now, having read through that Bellingcat piece I’m not sure whether it’s a good idea any more.
Although, that’s really an American thing, I doubt many in the U.K. would pick up on it, it’s still a bit worrying that something that one does can suddenly become toxic through the actions of people thousands of miles away.
Back to Angry Tinkerbell, I read a great quote about him earlier on Boingboing that made me laugh:
“He’s an inverse Russian nesting doll of arseholes.
Time and time again, just when you think he can’t get any worse, out pops an even bigger arsehole.“
🤣
and Hawaiian style shirts during the summer
I think to complete the look you need the Hawaiian shirt and the AR-15 complete with enough spare rounds to start a small war...I think you'll be reet
Add into the mix trump’s increasingly strident posts about mail-in votes and his *perception* that a rigged election will result.
If he loses, his immediate response will be ‘…it’s a fix’ and he will refuse to accept the result.
What’s best for the US?
yep... that narrative is being set up at the moment, as clear as day.
Should he lose in November, I do wonder about what will go into the Trump Library and how will they do his hair on Mount Rushmore.
Looks like he's trying to pitch his base against protesters tonight with a non existent MAGA NIGHT!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266724553620930561?s=19
Looks like he’s trying to pitch his base against protesters tonight with a non existent MAGA NIGHT!!
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
The professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???
He sounds/reads like Cohaagen from Total Recall: " my guards will deal with them easily..."
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Although I hesitate to make the comparison as it would give trump a semi-on
The world is burning.
"The professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily."
This is the genius of trump. "They were only there to cause trouble. The secret service handled them easily". It was a mostly peaceful protest, with only 6 arrests, they weren't there to cause trouble- but he pretends the lack of trouble caused, is because the secret service was righteously crushing it with "vicious dogs" and "ominous weapons"
Used to be that the response to a peaceful protest was to turn it violent- agent provocateurs, kettling, etc. But this cuts out that step and just declares it to be a violent crowd that's been defeated.
Angry Tinkerbell is often portrayed as a spoilt five year old, and that’s actually true, he even says that he’s exactly the character now that he was at five. He was even caught throwing rocks at a toddler in the next door garden...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11863033
The man is a complete monster.
Oh, and the police in America can more or less get away with what they want due to ‘qualified immunity’, that is, they can only be charged for doing something if there is a previous IDENTICAL case!
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/05/30/police-george-floyd-qualified-immunity-supreme-court-column/5283349002/
DC mayor has slapped down trump for his lies about protests outside WH.
The orange buffoon is making more noise; now threatening to '....unleash the unlimited power of the military'.
Not that he would do it but his words are the equivalent of throwing explosives into a raging inferno.
How many in the US are thinking along the lines of....will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest?
dazh - cuomo now making point that George Flynn's death and Covid are '....not disconnected'.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1266950280165244928?s=20
This was bad from the moment Flynn was murdered but has now become really ugly, dangerous and frightening.
Another bad night with more violence and several more hours before morning in US.
Curfew announced for LA; military on 4 hour recall - not instigated directly by trump and no meaningful comment from him.
With a large proportion of US population having seen a black man being murdered by a police *man*, trump thinks it presidential to say he's talked with George Flynn's parents and they're '....terrific people'.
FFS, if you can't say anything befitting your job title then say nothing.
12 minute read:
https://gen.medium.com/the-psychopath-in-chief-aa10ab2165d9
Journalists are now being deliberately targeted while covering street protests, both by protesters and the police, in direct contravention of their 1st amendment rights:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/30/media/protests-journalists-arrested-assaulted/