Does Trump actually have right to do so? Or are there protocols in place?
So once other intelligence agencies stop sharing intel with America because of this gaff what is trump going to do? Twitter and fox news tend not to be the best place to find such things.
Tom_W1987 - Member
Does Trump actually have right to do so? Or are there protocols in place?
He can choose to declasify anything, however doing that may have serious repercussions if you can think for longer than 144 characters
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Tom - he may have the right - I'm certainly not an expert on the US constitution or powers of the POTUS, the point is that just because you have the right doesn't mean that you have to exercise it.
Agreed.
Really enjoying his utter trainwreck of a presidency though.
14 minutes - still waiting for the exciting conclusion to his current multi-part tweet. I like to think he is currently wrestling an advisor/lawyer for his phone:
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He can choose to declasify anything
Publicly, they may say that, but behind the scenes? I very much doubt it. I'd be surprised if the Pres can do anything of this nature without the say-so of the NSA/CIA etc. and I imagine that's made official by some kind of protocol.
Those pesky leakers and their leaking all the things like the National Security Advisor was great friends with the Russians, or all the other things.
What this will do is stop the intel sharing. Sensitive info in the hands of other governments simply won't be passed on to the USA.
It appears it might have been a Mossad agent compromised. The Israelis are not going to take kindly to that and whatever you think of them they are certainly Israel fist second and third. No more Mossad intel to the US
Tune into next weeks episode of POTUS uncovered to see who it was....
Or at this point Alec Baldwin has a gig for the next 3 years
GrahamS - Member
Interesting that 538 are projecting improvements to his approval ratings in the future, suggesting they think we are at Peak Trump Disapproval (for now).
I was thinking that
theres going to be a hardcore base that still believes in him even if he ends up in jail (tho sadly thatll never happen) if the economy holds up(looking shaky tho) then people might start forgetting how un-normal it all is
Im still amazed that 39% actually approve of him
I know his approvals are at record lows compared to all other presidents but still!!
I suspect Mensch is right and he has been issued with a sealed indictment. Two sources are giving corroborating info now.
We may well see him in jail.
We may well see him in jail.
nah they always pardon the pres
What this will do is stop the intel sharing. Sensitive info in the hands of other governments simply won't be passed on to the USA.
It's not just sharing with the agencies of other countries. This will make it more difficult for the likes of the CIA to recruit and maintain informants in any foreign country, e.g. not just Islamic State, but anywhere in the Middle East, North Korea, Russia, China etc. Can you imagine the cold chills that must now be going down the backs of anyone who spies for the USA in those countries and would be deemed a traitor if caught?
The more valuable the intelligence an informant provides to their CIA handler, the more likely it would be important enough for Trump to be given details of it.
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Remember how the majority of Americans feel about him
Yes but, according to ninfan, they're not REAL Americans so presumably they don't count.
And anyway, they're only waiting around to be rationalised by ninfan's solution.
Which will be final.
so it was Mossad whos intel he shared against their wishes.
can they just hurry up an impeach the douchebag?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39944520 ]he just can't help him self [/url] 🙂
And still no end to the tweet... The nsa are good
According to the NSA Trump had no idea what the source of the info was. If that's the best defence they can muster- "he was just giving away information without having any idea what the consequences were"- then I think it's fair to say it's not going too well
President Trump is right in sharing info with Russia to deal with their common enemies unless you lot object? 😆
Trump is a dead duck president, the man-child is a liability to security and stability, even you chewkw have to finally acknowledge that.
Thinking more about this "didn't know it was classified or what the source was" defence, I think we need to know what the man himself thinks:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/772582467601588224
Oh. But I'm sure Paul Ryan will have his back when it comes to such carelessness?
https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/751106162574053376
Oh.
According to the NSA Trump had no idea what the source of the info was. If that's the best defence they can muster-
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somafunk - Member
Trump is a dead duck president, the man-child is a liability to security and stability, even you chewkw have to finally acknowledge that.
The only security threat comes from the losers who are trying to side with their common enemies (IS). They are just trying to sabotage Trump's Presidency because for once the losers know and see the beginning of the end to their lame global ideology. 😆
The only security threat comes from
Somebody discussing N Korea at the dinner table while aides use camera phones to light up classified documents
Somebody who get's his picture taken in front of the massive list of controversial ideas white board
The one who told a Russian ambassador where the source lives
Somebody who ignores serious counsel on the risks his national security advisor could be seriously compromised
The one who called on Hackers to reveal classified information to embarrass his opponent.
How about the guy who held a closed door meeting only for the other guys to post the pics online
There are ways to share intelligence with people, when all the people who really know disagree then it should tell you something.
Trump is doing rather well all on his own to sabotage his presidency without the need for other parties to help, and the idea of a global ideology led by a group of elites is fanciful conspiracy stuff pedalled by the likes of Alex jones and his conspiracy bawbags
Edit :
Do you consider this an acceptable use of presidential power?
President Donald Trump asked FBI chief James Comey to end an inquiry into links between his ex-national security adviser and Russia
ah thats is all cleared up then
The Russian foreign minister has responded to the growing furore over his recent White House meeting with Donald Trump, saying the meeting was totally devoid of intelligence.“If there was intelligence in the room, we didn’t see it,” Mr Lavrov told a press briefing. “We may have shared some intelligence with him, but it was certainly a one-way trade”.
He sought to calm fears about US secrets falling into Russian hands. “Through our sources we get leaked a transcript of every conversation that takes place in the Oval Office. But we’re yet to see anything of substance, so Americans can rest easy”.
http://www.theshovel.com.au/2017/05/17/trump-meeting-contained-absolutely-no-intelligence-russia-confirms/
If there was intelligence in the room, we didn’t see it
That's a very genuine interpretation in a nutshell of a one to one meeting with the president of the United States
mikewsmith - Member
There are ways to share intelligence with people, when all the people who really know disagree then it should tell you something.
The problem with that is that those people really need to let go ... let go ... let it be ... 😆
President Trump likes to do things his way.
Get it? His way. Not the demoncrats nor his political opponents' way.
That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way. 😆
[quote=GrahamS ]Interesting that 538 are projecting improvements to his approval ratings in the future, suggesting they think we are at Peak Trump Disapproval (for now).
It just looks like regression of the mean of the centre of the confidence intervals to me. It's pushing it a bit to suggest they're predicting his approval rating to improve when the confidence interval includes a significant decrease in his rating.
That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way.
Yes he does, a man who hasn't manged to follow up his last tweet (probably got bored) now needs to think strategically. Somebody who's plan A for business is screwing everyone else over including the people he was working with, somebody who has so far managed to defy political scientists who now have come to the conclusion he is working on full random mode rather than having any actual plan or direction.
As I'm sure we will find his way doesn't always end well.
As people are now suggesting comparing him to Nixon is a little insulting the good old Richard.
[quote=chewkw ]That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way.
Until he doesn't. When he was elected and inaugurated I honestly thought his impeachment was a fantasy from those who were desperate to get rid of him. I now think it's likely (that or he resigns first). I doubt they're even still trying to find something to impeach him on - they're simply waiting for him to mess up enough that he loses the support of his party so that there the impeachment proceedings aren't too difficult to get through the house.
Oh and the bookies now agree with me - he's odds on not to complete his term.
Crikey I don't know it's that easy to become President of USA without being able to think. If that is the case I don't want to think. 😆mikewsmith - Member
That's the problem innit ... He gets to decide his way.
Yes he does, a man who hasn't manged to follow up his last tweet (probably got bored) now needs to think strategically.
As I'm sure we will find his way doesn't always end well.
If only you could see that far you would have your preferred candidate in the Presidency ... 😆
They better think of something quick coz President Trump is draining the swam and it's getting closer ... closer ... soon they will just have to comply. 😛aracer - Member
I now think it's likely (that or he resigns first). I doubt they're even still trying to find something to impeach him on - they're simply waiting for him to mess up enough that he loses the support of his party so that there the impeachment proceedings aren't too difficult to get through the house.
They better think of something quick coz President Trump is draining the swam and it's getting closer ... closer ... soon they will just have to comply.
and watch out for the sea monsters and dragons.
mikewsmith - Member
and watch out for the sea monsters and dragons.
I think you are thinking of nassie in the loch 😯
In Murica they have sasquatch aka big foot ... 
Things certainly seem to be reaching fever pitch.
Initial predictions were that Trump would spend his whole time firefighting - I thought this would be from his past: sexual allegations, dodgy dealings etc (I also cant believe a NY property developer in the 80s and 90s hasn't been involved in some fairly serious criminal activity) - I hadn't thought that he's be quite so incompetent that he would be creating his own crises on a day-by-day basis.
Good to see that Comey (I assume) has leaked his notes from the Trump meetings.... calling Donald's bluff about tapes of the conversations.
political scientists who now have come to the conclusion he is working on full random mode rather than having any actual plan or direction.
Yeah, this is quite interesting. I have come to a similar conclusion with various people in my life over the years: You tie yourselves up in knots trying to figure out why they are acting as they are..... but then you realize that you are trying to apply logic to their behaviors, but what you're witnessing are the random flailing of an imbecile.
chewkw - Member
I have never been to the Americas.
and
I think you are thinking of nassie in the loch
In Murica they have sasquatch aka big foot ...
and that's a wrap folks...
@batfink for most politicians you can at least see a trait of self preservation, seeking relection, knowing who you can afford to piss off etc. but this one no idea. He is bouncing off some many things at one extreme you could call him a broard consensus politician but that does involve thinking he actually has a plan.
Sessions and Bannon have one which revolves around the idea that the Republican base will be a serious minority within 20 years, their vision of white god (the right one) fearing America is on it's way out and is scares the shit out of them.
Trump was the puppet they wanted to push their ideas through, unfortunaly for them he is more of the Blatter mould - a man who has 99 ideas a day and 100 of those are bad ones.
[quote=chewkw ]In Murica they have sasquatch aka big foot ...
small hands?
for most politicians you can at least see a trait of self preservation, seeking relection, knowing who you can afford to piss off etc. but this one no idea
Agreed. In my opinion he is viewing this as a very shot-term appointment. I think he has a list of self-serving objectives, and anytime after those are achieved we'll see the mother of all flounces, when he's decided that he's had enough and wants to go back to a life where nobody expects him to behave like anything other that the <expletive deleted> he is.
and wants to go back to a life where nobody expects him to behave like anything other that the <expletive deleted> he is.
Trouble is by that time he will have made a lot of enimies who would very much like to take a closer look at his affairs. I really hope they throw the library at him.
He'll be a lot more vulnerable out of post!
I think Trump is going to become more and more isolated as people distance themselves from him before the inevitable meltdown, this in turn will speed up the process as he goes full Trump. And you never go full Trump.
"I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go," the president told Mr Comey, according to the memo. "He is a good guy."
ooohh, yeah thats a bad one right there
wonder what other gems comeys got to drop ?
