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But the “it was sarcasm” defence is a new low.
I think on two levels - in the context of a global health crisis in which his own populace are taking a heavy toll jokes are inappopriate. But the notion that it was sarcasm doesn't hold water anyway. His suggestions in regards to disinfectant could only be read as sarcasm if what he was saying was unrealistic or hyperbole, that it was some sort of deliberate red herring for the press to fall for. But in reality the administration of disinfectant as a sham cure for all sorts of ills was already happening - on the advice of Grenon. People have already been buying and using his industrial bleach as a treatment (and a source of false hope) for range of illnesses and it was Grenon who told Trump that his 'Mulit-Mineral Solution' - Chlorine Dioxide - would cure C-19. Tragically parents had already been giving Grenon's disinfect enemas to their autistic children and of course a number of those kids have died.
Now those parents were clearly gullible but they didn't harm their children out of malice - they were desperate - they would have been sincere in their effort to help their child even if they were misguided. How utterly, utterly tragic- to live with that.
So Trump's defence of 'it was sarcasm' means he's saying that thee tradegies are suitable subject matter for a joke.
Trump just retweeted this post from "Trump & Biden Are Rapey" WTF?
And if you were in any doubt that this is a Republican vs. Democrat thing for him...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254782650679615492
Open to discussing anything my arse. He’s not open to or capable of a discussion. I really feel sorry for normal Americans in all this I really do. If there is any justice in the world one day soon he’ll walk past a wind turbine and his ridiculous wig will drag him in and the blades will decapitate him. His wig will then live on to claim a new victim.
The thing is that it's assumed ingesting or injecting disinfectant is obviously stupid. But there are people out there that are not as well educated, who hear this from the President, who maybe don't have insurance for treatment, and above all may be desperate and 'willing to try anything'.
Why would you even risk misinterpretation, only an imbecile would say something like that.
only an imbecile would say something like that
And therein lies the answer. The man genuinely is an utter ****ing idiot.
only an imbecile would say something like that
he's a special case of imbecile, an imbecile with the whole world as his audience. Any other imbecile could be forgiven/forgotten. a malignant imbecile.
And therein lies the answer. The man genuinely is an utter **** idiot.
An idiot too stupid to recognise himself as such, in fact an idiot who's convinced he's a genius. And he's got such a massive ego that he won't ever be told he's an idiot so he's surrounded himself with Yes Men and sycophants who are largely also idiotic. Or so power crazed that they're willing to overlook his dangerous idiocy for their own gain.
Anyone else watching the BBC newsfeed livestream of his presser?
When I tuned in he had some guy from Walgreens (pharmacy chain, own Boots) followed by a bloke from Krogers (supermarket operators).
Think of it in terms of johnson saying...and with me today, in addition to the scientific and medical johnnies, I have mr tesco and mrs superdrug to tell you how fantastically well I'm doing and how much they love you me.
Blatant electioneering; only to be expected.
And starting a fight with China over paying for it all to deflect from his own response. It's actually a little frightening
He's crap at getting other people to pay for stuff.
Remember the wall?
China does need to take a good look at itself after all this but so do many other countries including us and the US.
China does need to take a good look at itself after all this
If you think THIS is the reason China needs to take a good look at itself then you’ve not looked at much of the last century.
I'm slightly concerned i may be the President of The United States:
“One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he’s a genius.”
― Iain M. Banks
So Trump doesn't know why there are increased calls about ingesting chemicals and it's definitely not his fault. I'm hoping once he's out the lawsuits are many and leave him and his family destitute and in prison.
So Trump doesn’t know why
There's a long list of things that Trump doesn't know.
Trouble is, he's too stupid to know he doesn't know them; so he thinks he's a genius.
I’m hoping once he’s out the lawsuits are many and leave him and his family destitute and in prison.
I think the scrutiny on the whitehouse more broadly will be interesting.
When he blurts out crap at a press conference because he's stopped looking at his notes thats his fault. When the 'Whitehouse' is tasked with trying to clean it all up they often openly lie in their attempts to try and reframe his thoughtless bullshit. But those guys don't have the immunity that the president has - a president may be immune from civil damages resulting from their official acts (but not from criminal charges) but I doubt that immunity extends to other staff.
The doctored videos, the withholding of details from 'that phone call' and so on - they don't just go out on Trump's twitter but through official whitehouse channels, and in the aftermath 'just obeying orders' doesn't really cut it.
will there be an aftermath?
same as with brexit, populism is here to stay, no matter the harm caused
We've got to be able to form our own opinions about the culpability of China without looking through the prism of Donald Trump. Witness how the press jumped on him when he banned flights from China. They allowed their / our obsession with him blind them to the realities of the situation.
I'll take that Iain M Banks quote but caveat it with the thought that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Got to agree with you there Frank, Boris wrapping himself in household brand names to make himself look good. Pure electioneering. Pure Trump. Puts an end to any idea that he would come through a brush with the virus a in any way chastened. A changed man my arse.
Remember how Boris announced that Burberry and Barber had been caĺed in to produce PPE. I saw the woman who represents the workplace clothing manufacturing industry on the news, she couldn't understand why the gov't hadn't approached them instead, they produce workplace clothing for half the population as it is. Especially as the aforementioned luxury brands would have to approach her industry to ascertain the relevant standards and production methods before they could begin.
All the kings horses in so many ways.
Probably in the case above, Burberry and Barber realised there was a PR opportunity (if you're being cynical) or just genuinely wanted to help so volunteered. The government as ever was just pushed along by the tide. the thought of pro-actively going out to and coordinating the part of the garment industry most suited to gear up to make scrubs would never ave occurred to them or made for great sound bites if it did. This total lack of management from the government has been prevalent throughout this crisis.
Stumpyjohn,
Yup, this exactly. The thought that 'it would never have occured to them' is the really frightening thing. You're not even being sarcastic when you say that.
Oops, going all Boris on a Trump thread. Easily done though, it's not so much a case of crossing threads, more a case of a nut with two threads.
It was guaranteed to happen after the orange faced buffoon opened his mouth
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/495089-two-men-in-georgia-drank-disinfectants-in-efforts-to-prevent-covid-19
Every time
Worth a read, how Angry Tinkerbell thinks he’s an authority on science, he doesn’t need scientists.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-isnt-fighting-science-hes-claiming-hes-the-top-authority-on-science-historian/
How #AngryTinkerbell is using the dictators playbook to win elections.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/
And using the pandemic to stir up unrest among the states...
https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-pandemic-incitements
it’s not so much a case of crossing threads, more a case of a nut with two threads.
A thread with two nuts, Shirley?
Yep, a thread with two nuts sounds better.
happened across section four of the 25th Amendment today
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
The principle offers of the executive departments are the 15 cabinet members - so Pompeo, Mnuchin, Barr, and so on.
Its interesting with all the effort and drama of the Impeachment trial ( I wonder how republican senators feel about their role in that just now) Pence and just 8 of those 15 have it in their power at any time to relieve Trump of his duties just because they feel he's unfit. No hearings, no congress, not even a doctors note. They just have to say that in their view he's unfit and thats it - over - they can take the presidency off him.
And you look at the shitshow at any time but especially just now - and think about just how much more of his utterly weird behaviour that they see than wee do - and wonder if theres ever even a whisper of a thought that they have that both have that power and the responsibility to use it.
I know its said that Trump is a useful idiot but there must be an optimum ratio of useful to idiot.
Why do you think Trump has been steadily replacing anyone with half a brain with an unqualified loyalist?
The WHO briefing was interesting today. Tedros walked through the timeline from 31st of Dec (WHO notified) to declaring the PHEIC end of Jan (with 82 cases outside China/no deaths yet).
He explicitly stated that just before the emergency committee convened to debate if the public health emergency should be declared, a multi-nationality team of experts travelled to China to investigate the outbreak and feed into the committee. This team included experts from the USA.
So no way was the US unaware of what was going on.
"If you add up all the testing we have done....it would be a number" - Mr D.Trump
Does anyone in the US actually listen to the words he says?
“If you add up all the testing we have done….it would be a number”
It's factually correct for once though. 😛
Once upon a virus.....
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/30/c_139020877.htm
They can't even spell Mnuchin right.
Not as classy as the Impeachment commemorative coin, though.
https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/aquitted.htm
I think you must have missed commemorative coin number 7. 😳
Number 7: Title: GENIUS MAKES ITS OWN RULES with a Monograph "President Donald J. Trump: A Study in Genius"
I wonder how republican senators feel about their role in that just now)
Yeah, wonder how they'd vote now if they had a time machine
#AngryTinkerbell insists its Obama’s fault for not making sure there were working tests, the tests were broken, he says, that’s tests for a disease that didn’t exist when Obama left office three years before.
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/30/21243117/trump-blames-obama-coronavirus-broken-tests-jim-acosta
So no way was the US unaware of what was going on.
Oh, they were unaware, Trump removed the senior US expert from the team before he’d had a chance to compile a report.
AngryTinkerbell’s way of avoiding any kind of responsibility because he can then say he had no information so knew nothing about what was happening, so he can then blame the Chinese government for keeping quiet.
He has the level of comprehension and self-awareness of a brain-damaged Lhasa Apso.
"China would rather Burden won the election" not just bloody biden I'll tell you.
The gift that keeps giving - that 25th Amendment looking a good option...
BBC News - Coronavirus: Trump seems to undercut US spies on virus origins
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52496098
Oh, they were unaware, Trump removed the senior US expert from the team before he’d had a chance to compile a report.
What, from the US team based at the Geneva WHO HQ?
According to Dr. Tedros, US were part of the team that went into China in January to investigate what was going on. They must have been feeding back info to somebody in Trump's administration? Dr. Maria is American too FFS.
that 25th Amendment looking a good option…
Can it be summarised as a tweet I wonder 😉
The gift that keeps giving – that 25th Amendment looking a good option…
BBC News – Coronavirus: Trump seems to undercut US spies on virus origins
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52496098/blockquote >Could there be a real risk now resulting from Trump's blame game that the science will show it actually originated somewhere else? If he hadn't raised it, it would have been left as first known cases in China? A bit like Spanish Flu. I know they can't prove where that originated, but first proven case was Kansas, wasn't it?
If they discover where it actually originated and it doesn't agree with Trump then it's fake news and anyway he didn't say it was from a lab in Wuhan and you're a disgusting person. ..........Squirrel!
Will trump condemn this?
I doubt it as he tweeted 'Liberate Michigan' and, (in)directly encouraged it.
He doesn't refer to the state Governor by name; why? She's a woman and Democrat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52496514
Rednecks gonna redneck...
The thing that defines Trump most for me is that he has been constantly and consistently rewarded throughout his life FOR being an asshole. The bigger the asshole he has been the bigger the reward.
He doesn't even realise he is an asshole, because why would he have kept getting rewarded, right?
That any system can produce such a shitstain in the pants of history is a damning indictment of that system.
That any system can produce such a shitstain in the pants of history is a damning indictment of that system.
Beautifully put and absolutely 110% true.
see also Rees-Mogg, Jacob.
Martin Hutch,
God I want one of those.
Maybe the next edition can say 'DONALD TRUMP, Fall 2020, SECTIONED.
dannyo - you've missed the point or chosen to ignore it.
The british system produced johnson so also indicted.
Will trump condemn this?
I doubt it as he tweeted ‘Liberate Michigan’ and, (in)directly encouraged it.
He doesn’t refer to the state Governor by name; why? She’s a woman and Democrat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52496514
/blockquote>'These are very good people, but they are angry.'
🙄
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256202305680158720
dannyo – you’ve missed the point or chosen to ignore it.
The british system produced johnson so also indicted.
Sort of.
I think Poundshop Trump knows deep down that he is a fraud, although he probably keeps himself pissed enough most of the time to be able to 'forget'.
I don't think Trump actually realises what a prick he is.
I think Poundshop Trump knows deep down that he is a fraud, although he probably keeps himself pissed enough most of the time to be able to ‘forget’.
I don’t think Trump actually realises what a prick he is.
Hasn’t Trump been identified as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder by professionals in psychology? Whereas, as you say Johnson is just a spoilt rich kid chancer, and he knows it!
Have we had this?
Have we had this?
Or this 🙂
(I think I'm gonna be sick)
Regarding the Michigan demonstrations, did anyone hear the lunchtime news on R4? There was a piece about the demo and they spoke to some of the demonstrators who were really peed off because they couldn't get their hair done! At the very end of the piece they played a clip of what sounded like a South Park white trash redneck character shouting “I need a haircut!”
Does anyone remember the South Park episode https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=toL1tXrLA1c
Putin must be like a dog with two d**ks. After 40 years of the Cold War, he’s managed to screw the US over in less than 4 years - and probably for less than the cost of one nuclear sub. I guess the same goes for the UK (or England & Wales) and Brexit! Trump and Brexit just reveal to the rest of the world that a large proportion of your adult population are as thick as ****. IMO, it’ll take the US years to regain its credibility on the world stage.
Are they all stocked up for like five years in case of nuclear holocaust and twenty minutes into lockdown they need a haircut. Did they not buy loads of hair clippers when they were stockpiling tins and ammo?
they actually want to be on The Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B. 🙂
United States not seeming so United now - States guarding their test kits from the federal authorities
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW8QNaKX0AAVfN_?format=jpg&name=small
"The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry."
What do we think the odds are that Trump won't run for a second term?
Pence / Hayley as the republican ticket for 2020? If he thinks he'll loose against Biden he'll pull out, say he made America great again and the Republicans will reinvent themselves pretending Trump never happened.
Cue collective amnesia from the electorate and the Democrats feel the rug being pulled from under them?
I was going to post the image above, showing armed men , protesting inside the Michigan Statehouse.
The USA is really ..cked, when you can, legally, take rifles into the local Government Headquarters, and protest against the Staff there.
Then the President says to the Governor "make a deal with them" rather than denouncing their behaviour and saying he'll be changing the Law, so that such an event cannot happen again.
I cant think of anywhere else in the World that would allow such reprehensible behaviour.
The democrats are just as bad, Biden is a complete imbecile owned by the corporate donors, Trunps election victory was a cry for help, The next election would have been an open goal for the democrats if they had even listened a little bit, but they didn't and are deliberately skewing the ball into row Z. Biden, Pelosi and the democratic leadership don't want the system to change, just as much the gop, they are all rolling in corporate money and thats all that matters.
FFS they have even shown complete hypocrisy over the groping allegations, most normal people, the swing voters who change elections, can see that and are just throwing their hands up in despair.
Trump will run again. Two reasons - he cannot accept he is not the greatest ever and once he is no longer president he is going to be prosecuted
I think its highly likely he will try to delay the election tho
So we have McEnany press briefings now, plus various Trump PR stunts during the day.
Q Thanks so much, Kayleigh. Welcome. Since it’s been more than 100 days since a press secretary stood up there, I wanted to get a better sense of what your plan is. Are you planning to do these in a daily basis at this point? And also, will you pledge never to lie to us from that podium?
MS. MCENANY: I will never lie to you. You have my word on that.
https://twitter.com/factcheckdotorg/status/1256329056506613761
inkster & tj, I've posted somewhere up there ^^^ why trump must run (from his perspective).
The US statute of limitations is 5 years so another term is his 'avoid jail' card - for the cases being prepared against him by various attorneys general, primevally SDNY.
That is the over-riding consideration for him.
Lots of other factors for sure but less important to him.
they are all rolling in corporate money and thats all that matters.
Is the that problem not that you need dollars to win US elections and the only people with the numbers needed are corporations. The system is fundamentally screwed
Hear you there tj and Frank.
But you know what I'm like, always looking for the counter intuitive angle. Especially with regards to the statute of limitations, that must be wearing heavily on his mind.
Biden just doesn't give me that fuzzy feeling. To the electorate he's just another, old, cranky guy, His only offer is that he's not Trump.
Whatever you think about Pence, he's calm, not like Trump. He's somehow managed to preserve a scintilla of dignity after 3 years in the Mad House, he'd be a more tricky opponent for the Democrats. Hayley is the closest thing to a Democrat that the GOP have, she's no Sarah Palin.
Picture this. The top Republicans gang up on Trump, tell him he has 2 options. Either they invoke the 25th amendment and cart him off to the funny farm, or he pulls out of the race. They offer him a ticker tape parade, he can invite his friends vlad and Kim and they'll make any potential prosecutions go away. I don't think the American public have the appetite for vengeance, they'll just be glad to be rid of him.
I don't think Trump could bear the humiliation of losing to Biden, and losing to Biden could still put him in Jeapody legally speaking.
The second option gives him the chance to write his own narrative.
An outside bet but worth a fiver maybe?
Biden is past it - by a long way.
GOP will use the Tara Reade allegations aggressively against him and the Hunter Biden/Burisma thing will be another with which to beat him.
I still say Cuomo should be the Dems candidate but don't know if they could nominate an individual who didn't participate in the primaries and whether the constitution allows.
As for the 25th, I can't see that the required majority could be achieved so that's a non-starter; even if the GOP could make it work they couldn't make potential prosecutions go away - most of those in the works are from AGs in solid Dem areas.
No doubt trump wants to go on his own terms.
Pence has a very concerning track record - anti abortion, anti gay rights; he is anti anything socially liberal.
Hayley would be a good choice as GOP nominee but, so far, she's stayed away from the subject.
Whatever happens, trump has divided polarised the US, diminished it's global standing, deliberately dismantled progressive policies and initiatives implemented by Obama because he's petty and vindictive, shown himself to be a pathetic excuse for a human being, deliberately weakened democratic (in political sense) structures, opened the door to further election interference and manipulation.
The divisions he's encouraged in the US will never be repaired.
Claims strong performance is down to him - wrong; market turns but that's down to the 'chinese/wuhan virus'; donny - if you claim responsibility for rising market you also own it when it falls.
He also lusts after one of his daughters.
Everything about him and everything he says makes my skin scrawl.
Frank,
Pence is all the things you say. Trump also. Unfortunately Biden is everything you say as well. I wouldn't dispute any of the facts that you've laid out.
I'm just thinking of what the public mood will be in November. The country (the world) will be exhausted by that point, the idea of dragging Trump through the courts and spending 2021 and beyond fighting the same old political battles will be anathema to most Americans.
A ticket composed of the most cultaraly conservative and the most culturaly liberal republicans could be sold as bringing the country together (irrespective of the truth in that). The Democratic ticket would look to the public like they're trying to refight the last election. With Trump out of the picture they'd be swinging at a ghost.
EDIT.
I wasn't being (entirely) serious about the 25th amendment by the way. For Trump the question might be which option leaves him the more vulnerable (legally and reputationally). losing the election or slinking away with a faux fanfare.
He is now claiming to be treated ‘worse than Lincoln’.
Whilst sat at the Lincoln memorial. To the man who was assassinated.
Well thats easily fixed....pass me a rifle.
He is now claiming to be treated ‘worse than Lincoln’.
Whilst sat at the Lincoln memorial. To the man who was assassinated.
He's going to rid the world of Aids too. Nobody did anything before he arrived according to him.
Watched the Town Hall earlier. Just the usual China/WHO/king of ventilators/more tests than the rest of the world/Biden/China ban/hydroxychloroquine repeated endlessly. He ignored all the questions the public put forward.
Someone said she'd not got her stimulus money yet or unemployment and his answer was to get the country back to work, and she'd prob get another job that paid better.
Another asked why his operating costs had gone up by $60k/month due to the tariffs on Chinese goods, and he went off on the 'China never paid a penny for years' rant and now they're paying over $500M. And it's OK, 'cos he's given some of the money from the tariffs to farmers.
and once he is no longer president he is going to be prosecuted
Once he's out of office he'll go back to being on TV, living in the tower with his name on, tweeting and cheating at golf. He won't be prosecuted for anything he's said or done. If by 1948 the world was bored of trying to prosecute and try Nazis for goodness sake, they won't be bothered with this moron.
Given the number of folk after sueing him I bet they do and he knows this.
Yup.
Trump isn't going to be prosecuted. To whose advantage would it be?
Impeachment was tried and it failed. If he's out of the picture there will be no appetite from the public to have him hung drawn and quartered. If rhe Democrats pursue this line they'll be rejected by the electorate.
Im sure peolple will issue lawsuits against him, it is America after all, they'll mostly be kicked into the long grass by his lawyers, nothing to Frighten Trump there.
nick - there are multiple AGs lining up to prosecute; to repeat, his only way out is to get a second term and even that doesn't remove the risk.
For example, he continues to be in breach of the emoluments clause.
In addition, he is terrified that when he no longer has presidential 'protection' the true scale of his 'wealth' will be revealed as will the funding sources for various trump projects; a narcissist, driven by vanity and ego.
Having claimed he's sooo wealthy and then be exposed would be.....delightful.
A slow and humiliating denouement would be perfect - or to use his own words....'so beautiful'.
A bit more convincing than Trump's timeline video IMO
So Trump visits a factory making face masks and guess what tune is blaring over the tannoy?😐
Attempted handshake and no mask in a mask factory too, he really is the king of idiots.