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Pol pot did something like 25% of the population one way or another IIRC
This is the only thing he cares for.
He is the President of the USA. [insert swearword here]
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244320570315018240
“Numbers are continuing to rise” lol
I wonder if Obama is going to stand up at some point and say something before the Orange gimp kills half the country?
Anyone listening to clips from his presser?
Says that his press conferences are 'a ratings hit'.
Says new yorkers are 'very happy' that an emergency hospital has been built quickly.
Claims that protective masks have been stolen from NY hospitals.
Predicting that US death toll will peak in 2 weeks; I doubt that very much.
Interspersed with inane rambling.
One of my sons lives in upstate NY with his wife and son; I wish they didn't.
Breaking news ... "Trump extends social distancing until 30 April
Trump says that the national guidelines for social distancing will be extended for an additional month until 30 April.
The initial 15-day guidance was set to expire tomorrow, on 30 March.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52081389
I’ve been thinking, I wonder if Agent Orange might go down in history as the leader of a country who allowed or was constructive in the deaths of the greatest number of his people, it being a toss-up between dTrump, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung and Stalin.
Good grief. What has trump specifically done that would rival the great purges of Stalin? What catastrophic revolution of his compares to Pol Pot?
I'm absolutely no fan of his but there's a gulf between being an idiot and actually setting out to kill people in the name of revolution. Even if you granted that Stalin killed X Million and Trump "Killed" X million you'll need to explain why you think each of those deaths is the same.
I don't think you'd agree that we should treat a surgeon that makes an error and kills a patient and a murderer the same? The result is they both killed someone, but for some reason we don't treat them the same.
The main thing I'm taking from Trump's current performance is that he's smarter than most of you. He's playing a blinder, and he may well "win" out of this. He's thrown enough shit around no one will know who to blame. If it turns out less bad he'll be golden. If it's bad he's already shifted it to states, companies and China. Also, in the US because of the way they're set up he's probably right the economy has a higher priority. Folk have zero backup there. No healthcare. If you take away their job they're stuffed.
Trump isn't smart of playing a blinder, he's wildly floundering and saying anything that he thinks will get him re-elected whilst often ignoring scientific advice or dangerously spreading rumours and unsubstantiated claims. Several TV stations have already cut away from his daily briefs as they think they're actually causing more harm than good.
He’s playing a blinder, and he may well “win” out of this.
Well, he is uniquely focused on the things that matter to him. Namely, himself and his interests.
Electing a narcissistic clown may be great fun in good times, but the US is finding out that it is not so enjoyable when that clown has a serious job to do.
Breaking news … “Trump extends social distancing until 30 April
Which of course he will now claim was always the plan. He knew this was a pandemic long before anyone else called it that.
And anyone claiming that he said this was all under control, would blow over quickly, and that the churches would be full at Easter is just fake news.
Check with the Ministry of Truth.
The main thing I’m taking from Trump’s current performance is that he’s smarter than most of you. He’s playing a blinder, and he may well “win” out of this. He’s thrown enough shit around no one will know who to blame
That doesnt demonstrate him being smart. Smart would be not having people huddle round him at press conferences and not claiming it is already solved before belatedly switching to understand its a real problem.
There is some cunning in the throw shit round approach but it doesnt really display smartness as opposed to an inability to take responsibility for anything and a default position of spreading division.
"I know South Korea better than anybody," he says. "You know how many people are in Seoul?"
"38 million," he says.
Who was it who said Trump was smarter than all of us?
Who was it who said Trump was smarter than all of us?
Donald J Trump said it.
No I meant tomd a few posts up. Think this lays that theory happily to rest.
“I know South Korea better than anybody,” he says. “You know how many people are in Seoul?”
“38 million,” he says.
Fake news, Obvs.
Again - trump clearly has a personality disorder / is a psychopath.
Two things this brings that are obvious. Whatever he says is right and no evidence can alter this and he has no empathy at all.
He cannot be shamed by being shown to be wrong because in his mind anything that contradicts him is fake
Even if what contradicts him is what he said on live TV the day before.....fairly terrifying lack of grasp on reality.
What are his approval ratings at the moment, does half the US still think he is great ?
What happens next to such a divided country in this disaster - coupe, riots, new leader or carry on sliding in to farce ? I can see them suffering more and becoming further isolated via tarrifs and restrictions on trading - which wont end well for the US vs the rest of the world.
trump clearly has a personality disorder / is a psychopath.
It seems so incredibly obvious to us over here, but the pro-Trump media must have incredible power if they can hide it from half the US population.
the pro-Trump media must have incredible power if they can hide it from half the US population
They don't really need to hide anything. Trump's power with the media, whether its intentional or not, is that by blurting out the first thing he thinks (which is usually the last thing he heard) the things he says are usually in tune with the opinions or prejudices of someone. By flipflopping around and contradicting himself frequently he at least doubles the number of people who his ideas seem to be in step with.
If you're critical of trump nothing he says is going to suddenly win you round but if you're supportive of Trump theres always something he's saying that you want to hear. It doesn't matter if the things he says aren't true or don't happen or if he even flatly denies that it said it because you'll either not notice or think its the fault of the media or the democrats or the deep state - because you heard him say what you want to hear and he's the President.
trump clearly has a personality disorder / is a psychopath.
That is the odd thing - it is so obvious he is an ill man. It was obvious years before he was elected. Which is why I can't really blame him for anything that has happened since. He is the personification of a Ronseal POTUS- delivering exactly the sort of presidency you would have imagined from the outset.
I blame the american voters that voted for him and the Democrats for not putting up a good enough candidate to score in an open net. Finally I blame all those that didn't bother to vote who should have either not been so lazy or held their noses and voted for Hilary given the disaster they had the power to prevent. Regardless I have REALLY struggled to feel sorry for the Americans for any ills that have befallen them since 2017. They collectively did it to themselves. An american accent has never sounded so stupid; which is a great shame for those that aren't.
I blame the american voters that voted for him and the Democrats
Far, far more blame lies with the Republicans than the Democrats. He ran for the nomination to spite them under the threat that he'd run against them if he didn't get nominated. Its the spinelessness of mainstream and moderate Republicans that has enabled Trump.
An american accent has never sounded so stupid; which is a great shame for those that aren’t.
his accent is getting stranger and stranger, he doesn't sound like any american i've met or any i can think of on the tele box. It really sounded quite bizarre the other day.
convert 0- psycopathy / personality is not an illness as such ( well there is some debate but generally not thought of as one) its more akin to a fault in the hardware in a computer. No matter what you do you will not change the underlying faults. You can teach people to ameliorate their behaviour
Its surprisingly prevalent especially in the top ranks of business where the attributes of ruthlessness and lack of empathy may help you succeed
where the attributes of ruthlessness and lack of empathy
It's more than ruthlessness and lack of empathy - I think he lives in a parallel universe when it comes to truth. I'm pretty convinced he is not consciously lying and contradicting himself (aspd/sociopath)?
Sociopath is not a term used much nowadays - its personality disorder / psychopathy IIRC ( not really my feild)
It manifests in a number of ways and with different traits in different people and there are a range of personality disorders One of these traits is the arrogance. Trump in his own mind cannot be wrong because he is so smart. Anything that contradicts him is fake - even if it was himself yesterday. He is not consciously lying. He truly believes everything he says is right and nothing will sway that view. its not uncommon
I’m pretty convinced he is not consciously lying and contradicting himself
He's a bullshitter. To lie you actually need to know what the truth is. A bullshitter is unconcerned about the truth. Trump only lies when he's been caught bullshitting.
Would a crowd funded assassination work?
Obvious narcissistic personality disorder is obvious
I've seen lots of claims. Also including dementia and syphilis.
including dementia
If thats the case he's had dementia for pretty much his whole life.
I think most of his symptoms can are the result of underlying wealth issues.
I think he’d still be an absolute **** if he was poor tbh
If you read the definitions / symptoms for narcissistic personality disorder its a pretty much perfect fit
He’s a bullshitter. To lie you actually need to know what the truth is. A bullshitter is unconcerned about the truth. Trump only lies when he’s been caught bullshitting.
I think most of his symptoms can are the result of underlying wealth issues.
I think your right 🙂
Well written opinion piece on the dangers of the science-denying Christian Nationalism that props up Trump:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump-evangelicals.html
Anyone currently watching trumps press briefing?, he’s getting riled by the questions from the “fake news” correspondents and he looks ready to blow up
He's also blaming Obahma.
Trump blames Obama for lack of pandemic prep
Pressed by a reporter over why the US was not more prepared for the pandemic, Mr Trump blamed the Obama administration, saying "the shelves were empty, we had no ammunition or medical supplies".
He also claimed he inherited "broken" tests, though it is unclear what he meant as the previous administration would not have developed such tests.
"I always knew that pandemics are one of the worst things that could happen," Mr Trump said.
Pressed by a reporter over why the US was not more prepared for the pandemic, Mr Trump blamed the Obama administration, saying “the shelves were empty, we had no ammunition or medical supplies”.
He also claimed he inherited “broken” tests, though it is unclear what he meant as the previous administration would not have developed such tests.
“I always knew that pandemics are one of the worst things that could happen,” Mr Trump said.
Trump deliberately starved the CDC of funding, and removed people from research areas, he basically emasculated the whole operation, he even had a CDC member removed and returned to the US who was liaising with and working with the Chinese in Wuhan, and sending reports back home, giving vital initial info that the Chinese weren’t releasing, so then the US was pretty much in the dark as to how C19 was spreading.
I say again, the man is almost certainly guilty of presiding over what will likely become the greatest loss of civilian lives in the US since 1918.
While blaming everybody but himself.
I think he balanced all that out though by putting his completely unqualified son in law in charge, that showed real leadership
The bloke only seems to have a 30-second memory. Constantly denies things he's said or has insinuated, constantly berates reporters who are obviously highly educated yet speaks to them like a spoilt 5-year-old.
If you read the definitions / symptoms for narcissistic personality disorder its a pretty much perfect fit
Read something about that ages ago, may even have posted about it in the very early days of this thread; I think I saw a list of twenty indicators, and The Impeached One ticks the lot!
This piece of graffiti, clearly an homage to Banksy, popped up recently, it made my day when I spotted it...
Too egotistical, so won't do anything. He's pretty much waiting for the final death toll to come in then look about for someone to blame.
Holy balls
Someone please shoot him
Someone please shoot him
Honestly, if I heard he’d been assassinated, I’d be out front applauding and letting off fireworks! I genuinely feel he’s just too dangerous to be allowed to carry on as President! What I posted earlier about him being comparable to Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot regarding the number of his own people whose deaths he’s going to be directly responsible for is something I genuinely believe, and history will not be kind to him, or anyone associated with him.
He’s pretty much waiting for the final death toll to come in then look about for someone to blame.
It’s clear from earlier comments he’s already starting to blame Obama...
So with mass burials in New York and the infection count, therefore the death toll too, running pretty much uncontrolled in the US how is Trump going to escape this?
How are the poor without health insurance going to get help?
He's in real danger of overseeing a massive amount of damage to the whole country and as far as I can tell he's trying to bluff his way through it by buying untested medicines, making silly 'jokes' about him doing a good job and lambasting the media stories he doesn't like as his usual 'fake news'. He can't survive this into another term surely?
He can’t survive this into another term surely?
Hopefully not.
But I have my concerns regarding the power of pre-existing political bias among the electorate.
If any good can come from the likely horrendous death toll of this pandemic, it might make the easily led rethink their voting strategy to look beyond media hype, on both sides of the Atlantic.
But I fear it won't
If the Democrats can't win by pointing out who got rid of the pandemic planning committee last year, Gold help America
His Supporters dont seem to see the real World, and blame the virus on the 'liberals' or non believers.The virus has affected, mainly, the Democratic states, so he isnt bothered. His support comes from the barely literate (my opinion) population in the Country which are, mainly, insulated from outside events as they live far enough away from other people, with less population movement in their areas.
He comes up with the most blatant lying statements, yet TV interviews show his support truly believe him.
The whole administration is crooked, sacking the USN Captain, stopping help for Michigan, as the Governor there had slightly criticised Trump, allowing Church meetings when all other gatherings are cancelled etc.
I despair with the USA now.
One tactic Trump will surely use to get back in is to blame the Chinese.
He's made a huge thing of China bashing to date. His voters like that. It wouldn't be much of a leap for him to say how he was ahead of the curve on China being a wrong un. He saw it coming etc. Only he will be tough about it.
This tactic should be fairly robust even with a mounting domestic death toll.
Follow this journalist on Twitter who does a highlights reel of Trump's daily briefings.
It is insane. INSANE. And yet I can't help but feel Trump is going to win the next election.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248698754556923904
He’s made a huge thing of China bashing to date. His voters like that.
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I listened to a cracking podcast the other day. It’s show 153 of Matt Forde’s Political Party series. The guest? Anthony Scaramucci! Yep, the Mooch himself. No great love lost between himself and Trump so it’s pretty brutal, but a cracking listen. Spotify link below.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/16NCxFzUaF4CSSd66ohFsR?si=STtJSzLuTeCGc-Ir8wQqPw
Deadlydarcy.
Yes, I've been checking up on the Mooch as well, he's been way ahead of the curve on this one, both with the dangers of the virus and the omnipresent economic dangers.
It was from him that I got my head round the idea of Corporate Socialism, the thing I've been banging on about on the 'We're all in this together yeah?' thread. Not as good as him at selling the idea though! Still, that 'ain't going to stop me. 😎
More Cash Than Dash.
The really crazy thing is that the Pandemic Planning Comittee was set up by George W Bush.
Apparently, back in 2005 as New Orleans was drowning he began setting up a program to prepare for potential pandemics. He read a book about the Spanish Flu whilst on holiday and became obsessed by it. When he came back from his hols he wouldn't shut up about it, his coleages thought him a little obsessed and tried to distract him from it. He wouldn't give up on it and eventually managed to secure 7 billion in funding for the project. (there's a speech he gave back in 2005 on you tube) Both Obama and Trump failed to keep up the stock levels of equipment as it either got used up or went out of date. It's said that much of the material the US does have to fight the Pandemic is from what's left over from the stockpile Bush set up.
Who'd have thunk?
Inkster - interesting, thanks for that.
Last night's press conference, pushes jaw back up.
He turned a virus update into a campaign rally about how good he was handling things and how many lives he has saved.
Any reporters who ask nasty questions get scolded like naughty children then ignored.
Grim times indeed.
He's madder than a bucket of spiders!
last nights 'performance' was absolutely off the scale
I'm sure Boris and every other world leader are thanking the lord that Trump is around, as the world's population breathes a collective sigh of relief and says "well it could be worse. We could have that unhinged maniac in charge"
watched edited highlights. I find it both utterly amazing and depressing at the same time that networks in the US are having to either highlight to their viewers that anything Trump says needs careful fact checking or is just downright lies or cutting away when the briefing gets too partisan and obviously campaign based
Words fail me TBH.
This must be the lowest point in US politics and that really is saying something.
I watched it last night and it was like video surfing on LiveLeak. You know it is wrong and slightly sick watching it but you can't help watching. It was stunning in its lunacy.
He ranged from being in campaign mode to attacking media to being totally incoherent and rambling. The fact that he is in any job, let alone a position of power, is incomprehensible.
The trouble is that while Trump is clearly an unhinged narcissist, the democrats will be compliant in granting him another term in office.
The people are crying out for someone, anyone who will have a positive impact on their lives, someone who will follow through on rhetoric with integrity. And instead of listening, the democrats are putting up against him a billionaire sponsored beige plank with dementia.
I hate Trump with a venom, but if I was in America right now I would be thinking, another Trump term might (just might) cause a reaction at the next election. But Biden just guarantees the billionaires and the corporate lobbies remain in power for generations.
Anyone got a link to highlights? Even with all this time on my hands I ain't watching him for 2 hours
Jon Sopel on the BBC news site has put together an interesting article on that news conference. He says he's been at some stunning press conferences over the years but last night's was "special"
CNN has some clips of it. All I can say is he's lost the plot.
It was a shocker.
Sopel's article gives a flavour of how truly appalling it was.
When trump cannot provide a direct, fact-based answer - as is often the case - he immediately resorts to personal insults; 'you're a truly horrible person' has become his current favourite.
The use of a crudely put together 'infovid' was depressing with multiple quotes by journos being taken completely out of context; it was nothing other than campaigning and is one of the reasons news stations cut away from his presser.
If he is not re-elected it is absolutely certain that multiple lawsuits will land very quickly as the US statute of limitations is 5 years; those lawsuits might need a little topping and tailing but will be substantively ready to go now. I expect the Southern District of New York to be first out of the blocks.
That conference might have been the most bizarre but it definitely wasn't the worst, since he managed to avoid recommending people take random medication, and didn't suggest that coronavirus is adapting and changing in response to medical treatment.
I’d like to see Jacinda Ardern receive the Nobel Peace prize or be promoted to global supreme leader or some such and Donald Trump being imprisoned or assassinated - not bothered either way.
402 pages dedicated to him when “He’s a dick” pretty much sums it up nicely. I’ve never wished harm on anyone, but genuinely wish Trump would drop dead or get assassinated. He’s just a vile piece of shit.
I keep wishing for him to check-out Elvis style
I think it'd be better if all the journalists walked out and left him blabbering on to himself. It might just make him realise he's just a big spoilt brat, might...
@joat- agreed. Why can't they (journalists in the room) get up and walk out and all the outlets ( apart from Fox obvs) just switch him off? The whole system of checks and balances no longer applies in the current US political arena, so just plain ignore him.
The way he talks to the journalist I'm surprised they haven't boycotted a press conference in protest.
Rolling Stone article from a day or so ago:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-coronavirus-covid-white-house-testing-kushner-cdc-dysfunction-red-dawn-982308/
And CNN’s take on yesterday’s TV debacle:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-governors-economy/