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Benefit incoming - pigs will probably have an enhanced diet for a few months as border check IT systems fall over (what a surprise) and perishable food items sit in trailers.
^^^ does that also apply to EU citizens?
The LBC piece says nonEU only.
You are in the clear Alpin.......
"The EES applies to you if you are a non-EU national travelling for a short stay to a European country using the EES who either:
possesses a short-stay visa; or
does not need a visa to stay for a maximum of 90 days in any 180-day period.
Your travel document data and personal data will be collected, as well as your entry and exit dates, and will be registered electronically in the system. This procedure will facilitate your border crossing.
If you overstay the period allowed in the European countries using the EES, the system will identify you and record this information."
It's no different to scanning your passport and looking at the facial recognition screen when arriving back into the UK by air though? Unless I'm missing something?
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/16/new-ees-etias-travel-rules-schengen-zone-explained-20797436/
You are in the clear Alpin…
Trees bien
Unless I’m missing something?
Fingerprint required as well. Airports might be “easy” but I’d imagine any car ferry point of access is going to be a nightmare.
Reform will suffer the same fate if they continue down the path of Europhobia. I expect it to kill labour too as it's the gordian knot of British politics.
Sandwich
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In the light of the election announcement if the expected wipeout happens, the benefit will be the removal of the Tory party as a significant part of the political landscape.
As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, there will always be a party that panders to greed and individualism as opposed to what is better for society as a whole. The name changes but there will always be a "Tory" party of some sort unfortunately.
It's not even greed and individualism, for many it's being too ignorant to vote in ones own interests and spite. I've noted a trend in those around me:
Well-educated but modest income: centre left/socialist.
Educated well to do: centre right
Old money: right
Poorly educated, ignorant of how the world works, I'm all right Jack, cops, miserable old ****s, xenophobic/racist, haterz, authoritarian... : Hard right (or hard left, amounts to the same thing).
I'd love to see the correlation between being hard right ( or hard left) and voting Brexit - which brings us back on topic.
I’ve got £176 of import duty that was incorrectly applied to my import back. Is that a benefit? I only had to spend an hour researching what to do, filling in the form online then printing it out and posting it to HMRC… hopefully the other £500 of incorrectly charged VAT will reappear when I do my VAT return.
I’ve found a brexit benefit
Puffins
Since we left we’ve banned sand eel fishing, now those pesky Danish fishermen are challenging our right to do that with the EU’s support.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjew0eplpwpo.amp
Yay. More issues to export and missing out on huge growth of online sales in the EU.
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/05/uk-clothing-sales-eu-crash-brexit-red-tape-deters-exporters
*rolls eyes*
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1798484327686430975
(TBF, they would still have to show ID in Schengen).
Seems it's hard to find anyone who sees a tangible benefit:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22y0jvd4do.amp
British Chambers of Commerce on much needed closer ties...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/26/uk-post-brexit-deal-bcc-eu
From that article:
The comments from Haviland come as the BCC makes improving relations with the EU one of its key requests for the next government,
So the BBC now sees itself as a political lobby organisation whereas its royal charter is for media services.
I'm really torn now.
Brexit is now clearly shown to be utterly sh*t for the UK. There's enough years and evidence of this.
Brexit is done. There's no return from here, certainly not a Brejoin which didn't cost even more.
Ed, the BCC isn’t the BBC. Have another read of the article.
Matt, long slow boring expensive hard graft. Companies are doing it. The government need to get on with it.
I fail to see why rejoining wouldn't very quickly pay for itself and then pay much more, matt.
Edit:
Ed, the BCC isn’t the BBC.
Ta, Kelvin. I did reread in part but not far enough back or with enough attention.
Don't know if it has been mentioned but the best Brexit benefit seems to be the current demise of the tory party, seems the tory bad boys got their way with Brexit to placate them and then they still decided to cause havoc from the back benches resulting in the shambles they are in now (not worth Brexit but every cloud and all that).
Dyson continue to reduce their footprint in Britain (after James Dyson called for Brexit in the name of British manufacturing)...
FT : Dyson to cut a quarter of UK workforce
Dyson recently bought a €30m + estate in Ireland, obviously backing Britain post-brexit
And an update on a previously identified benefit
Another great Brexit benefit.
British pensioners to keep winter fuel allowance – if they live in EU
Expats living in the European Union plus Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland are guaranteed the allowance by the Brexit withdrawal agreement.
Ah well the UKCA mark takes another hit.
We have listened to the findings from the Independent Review of the Construction Products Testing Regime. This was clear that there is currently insufficient testing and certification capacity in the UK alone to provide the volume of conformity assessment that would be required were CE recognition to end.
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-09-02/hcws62
I sometimes wonder what the few Brexiteers who were on the forum now think of the current sh!t show? Given how deluded some of them were I imagine that they think it’s going just swimmingly…..
Two of my friends that voted leave recanted withing weeks
My cousin and aunt still think brexit is great. They also think Johnson should not have been deposed, that Rees Mogg is a great statesman.
Well you can't argue with stupid, but it seems we have at least to engage with them.
It's been good to see Starmer's recent trips to Europe to maybe start ? who knows what. But I'll take a positive from that action.
Without having to read the previous 24 pages, is there a list of plus points to Brexit?
Yes.
Mostly, it involves the EU27 getting shut of a whiny damp little archipelago with delusions of adequacy.
For us though, not so much.
Without having to read the previous 24 pages, is there a list of plus points to Brexit?
I've dipped in and out of this thread without contribution before, but from what I've picked up so far - nope. Nobody's found anything of substance. A grand total of **** All, in essence.
It’s been good to see Starmer’s recent trips to Europe to maybe start ? who knows what. But I’ll take a positive from that action.
A tiny positive. The EU has rules against other countries sneaking around trying to do side-deals with its members.
Starmer still poops his pants when anyone suggests he could lose support in more Brexity constituencies and sections of society.
In spite of all the evidence we're still in the territory of trying to save 'face' on behalf of people who voted for stupidity. Meh.
I imagine that they think it’s going just swimmingly…..
Largely no, but the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of remainers, and those not fully committed to the cul… sorry, cause.
Apparently.
I sometimes wonder what the few Brexiteers who were on the forum now think of the current sh!t show? Given how deluded some of them were I imagine that they think it’s going just swimmingly…..
Doesn’t matter what they think as who pays any attention to ****ing dickheads anymore,
It’s been good to see Starmer’s recent trips to Europe to maybe start ? who knows what. But I’ll take a positive from that action.
Warm words and gaslighting. You may notice every time he has done this someone from the other country points out that side deals are illegal and that the withdrawal agreement will not be renegotiated.
Yes its good to show some goodwill and to create a warmer atmosphere. What this will not do is make any material difference at all
Not every aspect of Franco-British relations is covered in the withdrawal agreement. I hope they discussed Ukraine, Europe's eastern border, cooperation on security, cyber security and anything else that can make a material diference.
I was thinking of the huge economic losses from brexit to the UK. Yes there might be a bit of room on those things and certainly warm words are welcome. But frictionless trade would be a huge boon to the UK
We still have not implemented the checks on incoming goods we should have done a long time ago - we are in breach of the withdrawal agreement in several areas
Well, pretending that condemning Russia and helping Ukraine is a thawing of Brexit-driven tensions and not simply one thing all of us can agree on...
It's like saying the UK and EU are aligned on the desirability of the sun rising tomorrow. Wow!
Germany, RoI, whoever...
They have nothing to lose by saying "great" in response to any overtures from the UK. But it's actually "great, but... see all these other partners I already have one overarching agreement with...?"
Elephant. Room.
So the clear consensus is Brexit is sh1te. We all know that.
So the challenge is how to address this.....and pushing for growth is important (but not like Liz Truss thought). Suspect the UK has structural and cultural issues that are holding us back and we are under-performing vs our nation peers. This analysis is interesting, and clearly not just brexit....
But probably the quickest easiest way to push for growth is to rejoin the EU, and no d1cking around w side deals, just do it......pretending we can create the necessary economic change without rejoining is whistling
https://twitter.com/sam_bidwell/status/1832062722412015803
Tho just realising that this is from the Adam Smith Institute - does that devalue? tho they are not posting any solution.
Hi - I know I started this thread but I kind of lost interest after the first couple fo hundred replies failed to find and actual benefits.
Have I missed any since?
No, I don’t think so WCA. However, don’t forget, like all these things that we little people think are shit and are inconvenienced by, someone will have made a lot of money out of it.
There are no benefits to the ordinary 99% of us who don't have enough cash to make lucrative one-way bets against our own economy - or to benefit from weakening legislation.
We should join ASAP. No referendum, no vote, unilaterally. Get it over and done with and move on.
But, due to the face-saving I mentioned above, politically - no one with any clout has the balls to do it.
So we're left in a position like the bunch of mates who've known each other since childhood. They still go out occasionally but it is getting less and less because a couple of them get pissed and act like idiots despite being in their 50s. No one actually tells the pissheads because, well they're mates plus no one wants to rock the boat...