What a surprise that The Telegraph were given snippets to lead the narrative
may as well scrap parliament, it serves little purpose now.I’m sure that is on PM Dom’s list to do.
A suspiciously convenient fire, perhaps?
alex 22. I don't expect things to get much more expensive. I do expect an assault on workers rights tho
Or to put it another way. Will the UK become as expensive as BC, and will you only get 10 days payed annual leave once Brexit happens?
Brexshit isn't the only reason, but I do think we are heading this way.
It is about to be a *lot* more expensive to live in the UK - and that will have an impact on all sorts of things.
Annual leave, I think it is embedded enough that folk will fight any reduction in the UK. The issue would be the slow drip of new contracts with fewer days, so in a decade we may see shrinking holiday allowances.
I knew it would happen all along but it’s still ****ing cripplingly depressing to watch it in slow motion.
Astoundingly, as of the time of publishing, Evolve Politics are only media outlet who have covered the story – with the BBC, Sky News, ITV and numerous other mainstream media outlets appearing to decide that it was, for some reason, not newsworthy.
Go back to sleep. We all know that the BBC are literally the propaganda arm of the NHS/gulags/Stalin. Go back to sleep. Nothing to see here.
Is there any evidence to back up the claim that it will not get more expensive but that holiday pay will be reduced. Or the alternative that others suggest, it will get more expensive but holiday won't be reduced?
My mps response as dictated by central office.
Any other cut and paste response?
Dear (redacted)
Last night, the House of Commons debated amendments to the Trade Bill.
It's right that how I vote for East Devon is scrutinised. I’m your MP and represent you. I completely share the strength of feeling many have felt over the past 24 hours, as shown on local East Devon Facebook groups and emails I’ve received.
The Trade Bill debated last night is all about transitioning Free Trade Agreements we have already agreed so they continue after the transition period with the EU ends. To implement new agreements with global partners, the government will bring forward separate primary legislation. The Trade Bill cannot be used to implement future trade deals.
I have been clear that any trade deal the UK strikes must be fair and reciprocal to our farmers, and must not compromise on our high environmental protection, animal welfare and food safety standards. I have been assured by ministers that they have no intention of lowering on our high environmental protection, animal welfare and food standards in transitioned trade agreements.
I made my views clear when I supported an amendment to the Agriculture Bill put forward by Neil Parish MP working closely with the NFU. A few weeks after this vote, the Government agreed to establish a Trade and Agriculture Commission. By forming this Commission, Ministers can ensure close engagement with the agriculture industry to help inform, shape and guide agricultural trade policy, so that this is recognised throughout our trade negotiations. Once the Commission has finished its work, it will produce a report in line with its terms of reference that will be presented to Parliament by the Department for International Trade.
We have always protected our right to choose how we would deliver public services in trade agreements, and we will continue to do so. Rigorous checks and balances on the government’s power to negotiate and ratify trade agreements are in place via the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010.
Kind regards
Simon
Simon Jupp MP
transitioning Free Trade Agreements we have already agreed so they continue after the transition period
What? After the transition period ends there will be a period of transition? Am I reading that correctly?
I’d have loved to have received a similar copy and paste from my new Tory MP, James Daly, who with wearying predictability voted with the government to flog off the NHS to Trump in any future trade deal.
Unfortunately he won’t reply to my (or anybody else’s) emails, and has blocked me (and everybody else) from his social media feeds for asking why he won’t answer our emails.
He’s really got to grips with this representative democracy lark. He repeats what Dom tells him to repeat, votes how Dom tells him to vote and ignores all his constituents.
He’ll go far, I’m sure
Yep, spineless Tory whip following, career cretin for North Easy Derbyshire as well.
Makes sense though. If you just vote as told by Dumb Cum, you don't have to actually do any work, reading, tolding to the great unwashed - politics is a doddle.
He’s really got to grips with this representative democracy lark. He repeats what Dom tells him to repeat, votes how Dom tells him to vote and ignores all his constituents.
Thank god we took back control from these unelected EU bureaucrats.
Am I reading that correctly?
Nope - although there may be another transition period.
There will not be another transition period. Johnson has to pay off his backers. We are going out "NO Deal" as soon as they can do it.
Is there any evidence to back up the claim that it will not get more expensive but that holiday pay will be reduced. Or the alternative that others suggest, it will get more expensive but holiday won’t be reduced?
Its clear to me that one of the key aims in this is to reduce workforce costs by reducing our legal protections. So I bet holiday is reduced in general as the WTD will no longer apply - in england
As for costs - two factors - cheap low grade imports will reduce some costs but tarrifs will increase some
There won’t be another transition period. That ship sailed a few weeks ago. What’s now in play is a legally defined exit period. It’s now law, not politics. We have now officially left the EU
The only two options now available to the government are a negotiated trading arrangement or a no deal crash out.
Hmmmmmm.... I wonder which it will be?
Johnson has to pay off his backers.
The only two options now available to the government are a negotiated trading arrangement or a no deal crash out.
Hmmmmmm…. I wonder which it will be?
The heist of a lifetime.
This 'government' is utterly corrupt and they don't even bother to try to hide it very well.
But they (Cum Dommings amongst others) figured out two things long ago:
1. Many people don't actually take any interest in the news or politics, meaning their experience of it is stuff fed to them via social media that contains simple three-word slogans.
2. Many people have barely suppressed prejudices and petty dislikes that can be appealed to in a targeted way whilst not being addressed in any detail.
It is what we are going to be left with when this rabble have pissed off overseas or live in Londonigrad with their money offshore that worries me.
Given the petty nastiness exposed since 2016, I'm not sure we as a 'society' are going to rally together to rebuild in a fairer way. Much more likely is economic catastrophe followed by rats in a sack infighting over every job / contract / street corner begging spot, which will keep everyone at each other's throats and easy meat for the 'blame them' propaganda.
This 'government' literally doesn't give a shit what happens after.
This ‘government’ literally doesn’t give a shit what happens after.
They know, and we all know exactly what’s going to happen once we’re ‘free’ from EU legislation. We don’t need to list the inevitable. It was previously labelled ‘Project Fear’. Now it’s a best case scenario
It doesn’t really matter if Dom and Dommer hang around to do it (they won’t) or their acolytes carry out the privatisation of the NHS, the shredding or workers rights and environmental controls, rubber stamp our subservience to the US and just make life immeasurably worse for 99% of us, it now has an unstoppable inevitability to it
We’re all well and truly ****ed!
The lack of BBC (in main) reporting is one the scary things about all of this. I think it shows how much control this government has over the press and what propaganda they want to push.
The irony of Andrew Marr grilling the Chinese ambassador over their reporting at the weekend.
Corbyn proved right?!? Everyone from John Major, to Tony Blair called this right…
https://twitter.com/mrnickharvey/status/1199833765440348165?s=20
Britain close to abandoning hope of Brexit trade deal
The easiest deal in history? Surely the only reason we can't get a deal is because of the huge mob of Europeans clattering at our door to be allowed first dibs?
What's that? We've just become an international irrelevance...?
Oh.
This was always the end game.
The EU was never going to allow the UK to cherrypick a 'cake and eat it' deal but Boris and chums are still demanding exactly that. There was never any serious intention of arriving at a deal. Their Disaster Capitalist backers need the chaos of a 'No Deal' Brexit for their payoff.
All 'negotiations' have been a charade where the UK government goes through the motions just enough for them to try and lay the blame on the EU for the resulting economic catastrophe. Expect that narrative to be ratcheted up between now and January.
When we all wake up in the new year to the entire South East of England being a lorry park, chaos in Ireland, our currency collapsing and UK based businesses either going bust or rapidly relocating to the mainland EU, it'll all be fine because... fish
As long as those that voted for it have a fish, blue passport of The Bus of Lies tattooed across their foreheads I'll be happy. They'll also be the first ones to get fired off when businesses have to downsize.
Proper little echo chamber in here...
There's always Twitter if you fancied something a bit more 'YOU LOST!! GET OVER IT!!!!'
In other 'Sunlit Uplands' news, looks like as well as abandoning hope of an EU Trade Deal Today, we've lost any hope of another one too. The one that was going to save our economy.
UK abandons hope of US trade deal by end of year
Oh well. I'm sure everything will work out ok
Proper little echo chamber in here…
Please add your (positive?) Brexspective, I for one am desperate for some good news.
No because N.Ireland is basically remaining in. I dont believe in all the doom and gloom peddled in here though, STW suffers from an anti-Tory bias and as such you lot only seem to search for things to confirm your fears.
Try searching for it Malvern? As I mentioned, confirmation bias. You lot can at least change the government of the country in the next election, as a resident of N.I I have no such ability.
That's interesting, how would you have NI leave the EU without breaking the GFA then?
STW suffers from an anti-Tory bias and as such you lot only seem to search for things to confirm your fears.
You don't have to do much searching when The Torygraph itself, the last bastion of Brexit, is informing us that we'll be crashing out with no deal in December, with all the catastrophic economic implications that involves
Do feel free to provide us with balance in the form of some great Brexit news? Maybe something about the colour of passports?
feel free to provide us with balance in the form of some great Brexit news?
The answer was ‘no’. I actually agree with douggiedogg, it is an ‘echo-chamber’. I genuinely fear though that it’s an ‘echo-chamber‘ because no-one has any Brevidence to the contrary.
As I mentioned, confirmation bias.
Again, completely agree. At the start of all this I was heavily biased against the main agitators and actors involved. Biased too against their motives. Confirmations of my predictions/expectations and worst fears have arrived on schedule for the last half a decade.
You lot can at least change the government of the country in the next election, as a resident of N.I I have no such ability.
Tories will win. No question. Getting it done. Also, how would a change of Government change what has now been ripped up? The country is torn asunder. Tell me it ain’t so?
Proper little echo chamber in here…
Give us the good news we're missing then... please.
Theres no Brevidence because it hasn't happened yet, its all speculation still. Thats why I made my comment about STW being an echo chamber of negative views about Brexit, the only substance I see here is anti-Tory speculation.
On N.I, there is no solution to the GFA other than the one which has been adopted, I didn't say there was.
On the subject of the country being torn asunder, yes possibly, but I think devolution has had as much of an impact on that as Brexit.
So, give us the positive "views", or even better... positive news.
Being repeatedly lied to then having all the things you were called a traitor for predicting come true after all tends to give one a certain cynicism. Weird eh.
the only substance I see here is anti-Tory speculation.
The anti-Tory speculation of the front page of that well-known left-wing mouthpiece the Daily Telegraph?
Yes, they're renowned for their hostility toward both Boris Johnson and Brexit, aren't they?
Even they can't scrape together anything positive to say about the upcoming disaster
You don’t have to do much searching when The Torygraph itself, the last bastion of Brexit, is informing us that we’ll be crashing out with no deal* in December
Telegraph? You need the Daily Express upyer.
SWYDT? You’re making it sound as if ‘no deal’ = a bad/undesirable thing.
I dont take my opinions from any newspapers folks.
The good news for me, the UK gets to remove one level of governance from the council < devolved < westminister < EU system.
Saved this page so that we can reflect back on it when the good news arrives.
I dont take my opinions from any newspapers folks
Where do you get your positive news from, and could you please save us from our echo chamber by sharing it with us? Please. We genuinely want to hear it. Brexit has happened. The transition period now has an unmovable end date. We can’t seek to stop either. So, hearing good news related to either would be genuinely welcome.
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EDIT... ...to reply to the edit....
The good news for me, the UK gets to remove one level of governance from the council < devolved < westminister < EU system.
You do know the "EU system" still exists? This is like not sending MPs to Westminster anymore... and so claiming to be free from the effects of the decisions that continue to be made there... hint... we're not... and if you live in Northern Ireland, especially are not.
I dont take my opinions from any newspapers folks
Online then? Again, would really appreciate a pointer
The good news for me, the UK gets to remove one level of governance from the council < devolved < westminister < EU system.
Gotta say, you're the first person in Ireland I've ever come across who's in favour of handing absolute unbridled power to the English government.
