So while pretty much everyone with half a mind on politics has realised that Starmer’s largely ineffectual, you want you keep talking about him, but while Johnson breaks everything within reach in a desperate attempt to remain in power you’re not really bothered as it “Just the the Tories”
Taken as a whole rather than each particular post I've done my fair share of hating Tories.
The only route to success is a strong opposition. And asking why the people that represent you aren't pushing back hard enough against the Tories is entirely relevent and probably represents about 2% of this entire thread.
If Binners had not thrown a pathetic wobbly about my Brexity-Starmer-aping Tory FOM article (entirely in context as it's Tory like behaviour) then we wouldn't be here now.
If Tory behaviour is so bad then let's not let the opposition get away with it letting it happen just because there's a thread for hiding it away.
Boris and co, – remember… the one who this thread is meant to be about – in a fit of pique at not being allowed to do whatever the **** they like
Aside from its clearly not a fit of pique but a long standing policy in the right of the tory party and a convenient bone to toss to them from time to time.
The more concerning question is if they get rid of it then what do they have as the new enemy.
The toxic intolerance on here that drives the political debate emanates from the same for 4 or 5 freloading (free members), that’s why anyone right of Marx doesn’t like posting, and the continued insistence that anyone not fully in favour of the glorious revolution is a hateful human being. You 5 need to take a long hard look at yourselves and understand the impact of your contributions.
A thread built on the hate of Johnson is not Toxic perhaps for Tory supporters?
Toxic is wielded out by people who don't like the contents of particular threads.
I've only ever had one personal attack - once by Binners - and I really didn't care.
Not enough for me in any way shape or form to call him toxic. Politics is heated. Fine by me.
I mostly enjoy all the contributions on here.
The more concerning question is if they get rid of it then what do they have as the new enemy.
Thats fairly obvious... the unions (again)
I don't know if you're watching Sherwood on BBC1 at the moment? (its absolutely brilliant BTW). It's set today but references the miners strike constantly. It's scary how what we're seeing at present mirrors it almost exactly. The Tory government actively wanted the miners strike. They wanted a 'war' with 'the enemy within'.
The same today with this mob, who are after all a low-rent, threadbare Thatcher tribute act. They actively want to start a war through the summer with the unions as part of their casually destructive divide-and-rule philosophy
Signed up again as a paid member. I'm paying to hate Johnson.
Feel empowered now.
Must watch Sherwood, just up road from me.
The Tory government actively wanted the miners strike. They wanted a ‘war’ with ‘the enemy within’.
Documented by your mate - Seumas Milne in his book - the enemy within.
I don't need a London-based, millionaire, Stalin-apologist to document it for me thanks. I'm old enough to have seen it first-hand. I went past Parkside colliery twice a day on my journey too and from school at the height of the miners strike. I had plenty of mates who's dads were striking miners
I see the tories have promised to give us pensioners a double digit increase to help with inflation. Useful timing with elections just round the corner.
Watching Tory Justice minister Victoria Atkins jumping through hoops on Newsnight last night, trying to justify that a 10% rise in pensions wouldn't be inflationary, whereas below inflation pay rises for workers would be, did illustrate the nonsensical nature of 'policy' (such as it is)
Schrödinger's inflation?
I mean, it’s not like his position comes with any sort of responsibility or indeed obligation to, y’know, lead by example.
350 pages of 'debate' summed up in a sentence
Another day another Law change, this time by Raab legalising the UK Courts as the only authority on Human Rights the UK recognises… to allow the Rwanda policy to continue.
Now that they’ve discovered they can change laws to suit themselves we really are in a banana republic.
while simultaneously complaining that binners constantly derails threads with the same gifs and monty python jokes…
Not me mate, you are confusing me with somewhere else - l love binners hilarious stills from Monty Python. I have repeatedly said that I find reading stuff without pictures boring.
Did you see the picture of "ernie and the 3 quid trots" on the previous page? Oh how I laughed. I have told binners previously how much it makes me feel special, I like to think that's why he feels the need to post it endlessly.
Besides, posting stuff like that and the same few stills from Monty Python is a good indication that he's run out of things to say. It's hardly boosts his arguments does it?
The whole inflationary debate via income is a Tory stunt (especially given the fact that both public and private sector pay is hugely suppressed.) People think inflation is always caused by too much money which avoids the facts that historically strong examples of inflation and hyperinflation are driven by the supply-side.
We can't on the one had observe a shrinking economy and then say there's too much money buying things.
It's ridiculous.
(And then on the other hand Steve Barclay asking for less restrictions on pay for the financial lot. )
Raab on Radio4 now…
“we’ve got to stop making the problem worse” … and straight onto wages … the problem isn’t wages
Asked about why pensions can rise but not wages… I couldn’t discern an actual answer… just lots of blather about how “fundamentally strong” the economy is.
On ECHR… is saying the problem is that national politicians don’t have the ultimate say when it comes to human rights… which of course is the whole reason we set it up the way we did in the 20th Century.
Another day another Law change, this time by Raab legalising the UK Courts as the only authority on Human Rights the UK recognises… to allow the Rwanda policy to continue.
Now that they’ve discovered they can change laws to suit themselves we really are in a banana republic.
I'm going to put a bet on their next move.
Having made the UK Supreme Court the final arbiter of all legal judgements, not the ECHR, they will then seek to do away with the independent commission which appoints the judges to the supreme court and make the appointments political instead, US style.
“we’ve got to stop making the problem worse” … and straight onto wages … the problem isn’t wages
Imagine vilifying the train drivers for having the temerity to request a 2% pay cut in real terms. Interesting that Simon Clark MP was specifically ruling out 'double digit' pay increases a couple of days ago. That, to me, suggests that they will cave to the unions in some regard and then blame them for inflation from here onwards.
PS Compare and contrast the useless inarticulate bumbling **** we have as PM with Mick Lynch. It is time to do away with the niceties of trying to have a good faith debate against these dissembling arseholes.
https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1539296797520175104
I still see no discussion on what the abolition of human rights in engalnd means for the devolved parliaments. In scotaland the declaration of human rights is embedded deeply in scots law and cannot be changed without holyrood consent
Thus the full range of human rights and remedies will still be available in scotland ( and I think Wales and NI)
TJ - as with most things they do, they're opening a can of worms who's consequences they haven't even begun to properly consider.
What is obvious is that they are increasingly behaving like a totalitarian regime and trying to steamroller through legislation which will do away with human rights fought for over centuries, even if that contravenes international law
I can't see them being any more respectful of the devolved governments than they are of the European courts. They've already made it clear they want to 'return' a lot of the devolved powers to Westminster
They are constitutional vandals here who just want to smash everything up and remake it in the narrow interests of a small section of society
They want to pick and choose which rights we should, or shouldn’t, be entitled too.
"Which human rights do YOU want to lose?"
Should be asked by any journalist talking to any politician every time one of them supports changes/removal of human rights.
Asked about why pensions can rise but not wages… I couldn’t discern an actual answer… just lots of blather about how “fundamentally strong” the economy is.
Last night the ex-Pension Minister Altman was getting herself in a similar cul-de-sac on LBC - simultaneously arguing that upping the State Pension wouldn't impact inflation but paying the same percentage to public sector employees would.
Under the proposal the UK will remain a signatory to the European convention on human rights but the Human Rights Act will be abolished and replaced with a Bill of Rights.
I think human rights legislation is a nightmare at the best of times and this proposal will complicate matters even more and also result in the inevitable unintended consequences.
Plus of course the intended but not declared consequences.
The leader of the opposition would ideally need to be some sort of lawyer to challenge the government and spell out clearly to voters the likely consequences.
A ‘free member’ posting occasionally is OK by me; if you have lots to say, make a financial contribution.
No thanks, will stay as I am and just put up with the adverts. If stuff on the internet is not 'free' (ad based revenue) I don't tend to use it as it is not worth spending money on.
I did used to buy the magazine in the old days but buying magazines is in the quaint category nowadays.
mentalists
Sunak says he’s using all the tools to help bring down inflation this morning.
Ah okay.
Up 0.1% from April – May to 9.1
He has no tools – the BoE have no tools. They are tools.
Please stop derailing this thread with comments about Rishi Sunak.
In a related topic - the BBC went full Russia TV this morning. A good 30 mins of public service messages from the Government of Rwanda about what a good place they are to invest. I had to check I was actually awake! Not lost in some dystopian Black Mirror nightmare.
My on-topic post for the day..
Boris. What a c***!
Please stop derailing this thread with comments about Rishi Sunak.
Ah apologies. Thought he was in some way an extension of Johnson's pet calculater.
Just to be clear this is a thread about Boris Johnson and nothing at all related to Boris Johnson?
I prefer the term 'thunder c***'
Johnson really is nothing more than a confused honey monster blond free-market disaster capitalist fool, creating an environment where the LOTO is too scared to comment about how bad he his.
Ah apologies. Thought he was in some way an extension of Johnson’s pet calculater.
Just to be clear this is a thread about Boris Johnson and nothing at all related to Boris Johnson?
You know perfectly well that the self-appointed censors have spoken. Any more from you and I'll start recycling ancient memes.
😂
I had a fantastic mtb commute this morning mainly filling my thoughts of how bad Johnson is.
Then I started wondering how we could stop him with opposing progressive politics and I told myself to shut up and compartmentalise my thoughts.
So I decided to just carry on letting Johnson and the Tories win.
Fantastic!
Congratulations to the usual suspects in reducing another thread to the 5 of you having your own little circle-jerk
Which one of you ended up with the soggy biscuit?
Byline times below have a good write up of the “Purchase a tame Tory summer auction”
You know perfectly well that the self-appointed censors have spoken. Any more from you and I’ll start recycling ancient memes.
Congratulations to the usual suspects in reducing another thread to the 5 of you having your own little circle-jerk
You could all just ignore it, rather than winding each other up. Surely dancing round the edges of the rules eventually deserves a ban?
Well I'm going to keep talking about anything relevent and connected to Boris Johnson on a Boris Johnson thread - doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Starmer wasn't actually so bad for 30s in PMQs today against Johnson.
Johnson was full of mouth shit again.
I look forward to the by-election stuff tomorrow.
Fantastic!
Congratulations to the usual suspects in reducing another thread to the 5 of you having your own little circle-jerk
Which one of you ended up with the soggy biscuit?
The thread is supposed to be about Boris Johnson, so please avoid going OT, there's a good chap.
S****** actually had Johnson on the ropes today. Good choice to link rail strikes, cost of living and increasing bankers pay. The tories are either very confident nothing is sticking or they're getting cocky as banker's bonuses is a toxic issue for them. That or Johnson has a few debts he can't avoid paying off.
Starmer wasn’t actually so bad for 30s in PMQs today against Johnson.
I warned you about mentioning St*rmer in this thread. Have an old meme.
Lol.
It only requires a few hits from S****** and a display of heavy weight passion and this Johnson bag would take a good downgrade.
I warned you about mentioning St*rmer in this thread. Have an old meme.
Pmsl. The speed.
I was hoping for a hammer and sickle.
The tories are either very confident nothing is sticking or they’re getting cocky as banker’s bonuses is a toxic issue for them.
Its an odd one for Johnson to throw out right now unless he was hoping it wouldnt be noticed. I assume some mp promised support in return for it or alternately it was an unofficial auction item on monday night "pay x and get a law".
I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.
I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.
I hope the winner likes a nice Chianti....
1 nuclear power station a year he used as defence.
I'll believe it when I see it
I did like that someone paid 120k for a dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron. Seems to be more a winner for most awkward set of dinner party guests than something to actually pay for.
Be worth every penny if you could sprinkle some Picolax all over their main courses!
Tiverton by-election will be the real test of whether Johnson's BS is sticking.
There's still a loyal base that lap up his anti ECHR/ anti immigration/ anti union policies & slavishly follow the daily mail's lead
If the tories hold it , will be seen as a vindication of his push to the far right
Tiverton by-election will be the real test of whether Johnson’s BS is sticking.
There's a decent chance the tories will hold both Tiverton and Wakefield.
