Have you not noticed the Tory MPs taking the piss out of grandad at PMQ’s?
About the only relevance of this rant against Corbyn as opposed to discussing the actual subject at hand was the bit about PMQ. Did you notice how remarkably similar Boris press conference was to it.
Absolute failure to answer the questions plus some moronic MPs jeering away at anyone daring to ask a question.
The problem is too many people seem to actually be impressed by the childish behaviour rather than asking why the tories actually think it is acceptable behaviour for an MP to act like a child in order to try and protect their representative from answering questions.
It's ok, both have plenty of years left in them yet.
edit - Joe Cocker and Roger Moore.
Poundland Trump
Straight from the Lynton Crosby playbook.
He's locked in a cupboard
Submarine PM Mk2 …
He is comfortably ahead why bother risk opening his mouth answering awkward questions.
Its not like he will be penalised for it.
Besides if he provides anything for free its less to include in his column for the telegraph.
This whole thing is a classic establishment stitch up. Or if a coup-d'etat if you want to be dramatic about it. Hancock miraculously changing his mind to support him tells us all we need to know. He's either been bought off with a promotion or strongarmed into acquiescing under threat of it being the end of his political career. I wouldn't be surprised if the members vote doesn't happen and Johnson is imposed without opposition.
The weird thing is that the public are not up in arms about it. If this was most other countries people would be out on the streets by now.
Emma Barnett ripping one of Boris' supporters to pieces; (from 10.13)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live
So how many children does Boris have?
This whole thing is a classic establishment stitch up.
It's the opposite of an establishment stitch-up. The MPs and Civil Service think he's useless. MPs are only voting for him because they think the electorate and the Tory members will vote for him.
Boris is like Brexit, it's the voters stitching up the establishment, not the other way round.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the member's vote doesn’t happen and Johnson is imposed without opposition.
It looks increasingly like that's exactly where we're headed, doesn't it?
One thing all these Brexiteers in the Tory party seem very very comfortable with is their total contempt for democracy. They don't even seem fussed about pretending they believe in it any more
Boris on Brown in the Telegraph:
“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”
“Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay.”
Let’s have an election without delay. Quite so.
I don't see the need for public debates, the only people that need to decide the new leader are Tory party members and Tory MP. I don't need to see a televised debate to know they are all tory ****ers.
The MPs and Civil Service think he’s useless.
I know someone who reported directly to him at FCO, and while what you say is entirely true, they also said that behind the scenes key MPs @ the DexEU were far, far worse. Which is scary. To think that he isn't even he worst candidate for PM is quite something.
I don't think a discussion on TV is needed but it scares the crap out of me when the front runner doesn't show.
Why? In case he says something stupid, so as not to tarnish his image? I can't think of a good reason that doesn't say they're worried about him speaking.
It's not just about the TV debates, it it…
https://twitter.com/simon_schama/status/1140605606673473536?s=21
https://twitter.com/simon_schama/status/1140606646219096064?s=21
I know someone who reported directly to him at FCO, and while what you say is entirely true, they also said that behind the scenes key MPs @ the DexEU were far, far worse.
I knew a Civil Servant who worked with a previous PM. (One many would regard as one of the more capable ones.)
They sat him down and drummed into him what to say at a meeting and critically what he shouldn't agree to under any circumstances.
Later that night they saw him on TV announcing he'd agreed the thing they said he shouldn't. 🙂
Mind you, I'm on a Parish Council and our Clerk tells me stuff all the time that slips out of my head. That's democracy. Popularity/Willingness to do the job != Competence.
key MPs @ the DexEU
Assume you mean Davis and Raab?
fasthaggis’s link is quite an interesting view. Boris is such an accomplished bullshitter and hypocrite that only he can manage the extraordinary climb down needed to get a pragmatic solution to the Brexit shambles passed before the Brexiteers realise that he’s done their legs.
A useful reminder of what we've got coming.
Boris on Brown in the Telegraph:
“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”
“Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay.”
Let’s have an election without delay. Quite so.
Labour demanded a GE when Thatcher resigned and the Tories said No, The Tories demanded a GE when Blair resigned, but Labour said No. It's a story that's played out every time a PM resigns but I don't expect any government will ever ever propose a law that says if/when a PM resigns we have an automatic GE because it's usually the very worst time for the sitting government.
Equally I don't suspect The Lib Dems or heaven forbid a Farage lead government would ever really push for PR as a majority government.
The weird thing is that the public are not up in arms about it. If this was most other countries people would be out on the streets by now.
Because it's an internal party process and the public no longer actually care, it's Tories doing what Tories do; jockeying for position and power having undermined their last leader...
Plus whoever wins (it's going to be BoJo though isn't it) will of course suffer from the same fundamental flaw their predecessor did, the belief that the "Leader of the Conservatives" is the person that Leads the Conservative party...
Of course there's not going to be a GE, remember when May sought a "Mandate from the people" lost her majority. Boris is arrogant and populist, but he's clearly learned to listen to his advisors...
Equally I don’t suspect The Lib Dems or heaven forbid a Farage lead government would ever really push for PR as a majority government.
PR has been a cornerstone Lib-Dem policy for years, to the extent that that the crappy "Alternative vote" referendum back in 2011 was one of the few things they actually got from their coalition with Cameron...
Of course there’s not going to be a GE, remember when May sought a “Mandate from the people” lost her majority. Boris is arrogant and populist, but he’s clearly learned to listen to his advisors…
The winner of this vote won't have a majority to lose. They'll inherit stalemate. I think it's *possible* that a new leader might seek to take advantage of their honeymoon period to call a GE to either gain a majority or (failing that) dump the problem on Labour. It's not likely, but it's unwise to rule it out.
PR has been a cornerstone Lib-Dem policy for years,
Yup, and as P-Jay says if they ever won a decent majority they'd not implement it because by definition changing would mean they'd be less likely to win next time. The only exception to that would be if they won in circumstances they didn't expect to be repeated.
Boris is such an accomplished bullshitter and hypocrite that only he can manage the extraordinary climb down needed to get a pragmatic solution to the Brexit shambles
I like this theory. The day Cameron resigned I was certain this would be the chosen solution. Give Boris the job, let him kill Brexit off. I'm still have a suspicion it might happen.
I have a theory that the beeb and Channel 4 are talking about Rory because he'll actually go on the telly/radio and talk in full sentences, so they want him instead of blusterman or the other BS merchants. He won't get the job though.
The thought of Johnson and his moronic cabinet of sycophants expecting the EU to be friendly is a nightmare. Macron will veto any further extension (that was the hint that Donald Tusk was making when he said not to waste the time...) so it's crash out or the WA.
Demonic Raab bites the dust
Surely someone has some real dirt on Boris???
Maybe Rory is waiting until he is in the last two, when he will reveal that whilst spying for MI6 he discovered Boris was spying for the Kremlin.
I have a theory that the beeb and Channel 4 are talking about Rory because he’ll actually go on the telly/radio and talk in full sentences, so they want him instead of blusterman or the other BS merchants. He won’t get the job though.
If he makes the last two he might. He appeals outside the core vote which is critical for a leader and members will understand that better than us.
Unlikely though, the MPs are obviously holding their noses and voting for Boris because they think he appeals to the membership and has election winning star-dust. I still wonder if MPs are misjudging the membership and the electorate.
Thank F that moron Raab has gone.
Shittest boyband reunion ever...
Boris just referred to people on 80 grand a year as ‘middle income earners’
Well i don't think that 'debate' really told us anything about any of the candidates. Seemed a bit rushed and lacked content, all typical politician answers really. With 5 voices a wanting their moment 60mins doesnt go far. Might be better and find out more when just the last 2 are grilled.
Just saw the BBC Conservative leadership debate ... 😀
Boris win hands down coz he is not perfect while the others try to present perfect answers.
Rory ... crikey ... when did he come out of the woodwork? He has no leadership quality at all even magic grandpa (JC) is better than him.
Apart from Boris non of them will be able to save Conservative party and if Boris does not step up then it will be the end of the road for Conservative party for a long time.
The Conservative party is hanging on a very thin thread at the moment. Very thin. Same with Labour.
For the next decade only two parties will survive that is Brexit Party and Lib Dem as both have clear agenda.
Boris just referred to people on 80 grand a year as ‘middle income earners’
On STW they'd be low income voters. I've heard some people earning 40-80k have bikes that only cost three figure sums!
Already bored of the fluffy entitled lying bumbler… and he's not even PM yet… god his short term in office is going to drag…
Anyway, some Rory for you…
https://twitter.com/mockeree/status/1140977687462404097?s=21
Just thought… we might already be looking at our next two Old Etonian PMs… how many would that be then…?
IDS on newsnight; yet more blather.
He gives me IBS.
As for this evening's 'debate'; 5 midlle aged, middle class white blokes totally divorced from the real world.
God help us all.
Even Stewart failed to perform.
As for her majesty's loyal opposition - Jezza and his mob, other than Watson, are unelectable; attempting to avoid making any commitment. I have backed McDonnell previously but no more. Seaumas will tonight be writing Jezza's next impromptu comments.
“As for this evening’s ‘debate’; 5 midlle aged, middle class white blokes totally divorced from the real world.“
Yes, even that “white” Asian bloke.
In what way are they more divorced from reality than the current Labour front bench?
1 was adopted, 1 shared a bedroom with 3 brothers his parents were so skint, 2 went to comprehensives, 1 started his own business etc etc.
Compare this to Corbyn - born to a wealthy family, himself a multi millionaire, creates job swaps so his son can be employed in the commons whilst decrying nepotism, and the guy has never had a job anyone would recognise as “real” outside politics.
5 midlle aged, middle class white blokes
?
🙂
Boris just referred to people on 80 grand a year as ‘middle income earners’
Probably not far from the truth in London, which goes a long way to explain why we are where we are.
FFS, you haven't got a clue, have you @dazh… not a ****ing clue. Most people in London are struggling to pay the rent and the bills. There are normal people down there you know.
Probably not far from the truth in London, which goes a long way to explain why we are where we are.
You can f*** right off. Most of us here aren't on anything anywhere near that.
dazh
Subscriber
Probably not far from the truth in London, which goes a long way to explain why we are where we are.
Median income in Inner London is £34,473. In Outer London, it's £24241. So if by "not far from" you mean "230% of the correct figure" then OK, sure.
I didn't watch the 'debate' but my twitter bubble seems to be unanimously appalled that one of these will be PM.
Have there been any other takes? I feel I need to get a balanced view.
FFS, you haven’t got a clue, have you @dazh… not a **** clue. Most people in London are struggling to pay the rent and the bills. There are normal people down there you know.
This.
And lets not forget - there are plenty of graphs and stats for you to google - London is one off the most expensive places to live and not everybody chose to move into it, so their situation is not of there own making and saving for a deposit and moving out isn't as easy as people like you might assume.
I would base my choice on whoever has legs which reach the ground.
Looks like Aunty scored another politically partisan own goal last night.
Of the c7 questions put to the contenders for the next Prime Minster one came from a Corbyn supporting Labour Party activist (which they knew and didn’t reference) and one came from a Corbyn supporting Imam asking about whether “words have consequences”.
The latter is finding out the answer for himself having now been suspended from his Deputy Headteacher role now that anti-Semitic holocaust denying tweets have been uncovered - along with his entirely predictable views on women and rape.
Everyone’s up for equality until they are talking about the people they hate the most.
However, there’s no need to let that cynicism prejudice you though Rob, you don’t have to be a left wing hippy to stay self aware.
one came from a Corbyn supporting Imam asking about whether “words have consequences” (snip) suspended from his Deputy Headteacher role now that anti-Semitic holocaust denying tweets have been uncovered – along with his entirely predictable views on women and rape.
I was dubious about this claim but it seems to be true:
I would base my choice on whoever has legs which reach the ground.
How about disqualifying the first person to take the neck tie off?
Looks like Aunty scored another politically partisan own goal last night.
Of the c7 questions put to the contenders for the next Prime Minster one came from a Corbyn supporting Labour Party activist (which they knew and didn’t reference) and one came from a Corbyn supporting Imam asking about whether “words have consequences”.
Are you suggesting that only Conservative supporters should be allowed to ask questions? Given that we are talking about the next prime minister (rather than just a party leader) I would have thought that questions from as wide a range of viewpoints as possible was a good idea, the Imam's views not with standing. The question about "words having consequences" does seem appropriate however given Boris' response when Foreign Secretary to the jailing of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe
Is it because he is (slightly) Turkish?
Clear winner last night was Jeremy Corbyn according to John Crace.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/jun/18/ageing-boy-bands-reunion-manages-to-hit-all-the-wrong-notes
gonefishin
Member
Are you suggesting that only Conservative supporters should be allowed to ask questions?
Well, not only Tories, just that it should be mostly right wingers, like Question Time.
But you can't stop people playing the man instead of the ball- regardless of who asked the question, it's a valid one
regardless of who asked the question, it’s a valid one
Yup, the identity of the questioner is irrelevant so get a professional interviewer to ask it or make the questions anonymous rather than going through a pantomime of having random people you have to vet doing it and risk their background distracting the media from the question and the answers to the question.
I understand the questions were vetted and supplied to the candidates beforehand anyway so they could prepare their answers, so it does seem a rather weak pretence to make it look like random questions from the audience.
So - the Rt Hon Boris Johnson - who said we would leave the EU on Oct 31st, is already backtracking on that statement...
& then there is this...
https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/1141337287575384066
It's like everytime he opens his mouth more shit just leaves it.
Ahh… The Thick Of It clips not allowed. Understandble. Sorry Mods.
If it's any consolation, it gave me a laugh. (Before I removed it.)
Ah well, looks like Rory should have kept his tie on.
Pfft.
It’s Boris isn’t it?
I’ll take some comfort from the fact May was supposed to ride into office atop one of the four horses of the apocalypse and she turned out to just be a bit shit.
Boris will only be worse and the Lib Dems will have their new leader soon.
Ah well, looks like Rory should have kept his tie on.
I should have got my bet in for him to go in this round. 🤣
I wonder if the last two candidates will be leavers or a mixture or remainers.
If they go for the former they will be seen as hash, if they go for the mixture they get good publicity but if they go for remainers then they are doom. My view is that they will have a leaver and a remainer for their party members to choose. But if they choose to have a remainers PM again ... Conservative party will be doomed. History! 😃
My view is that they will have a leaver and a remainer for their party members to choose.
Which ones are remainers?
Which ones are remainers?
All of them when it comes down to it
Yup, just seen a Tory MP on Channel4news complaining that none of the candidates are really pro-Brexit… despite including two of the key figures in the Leave campaign. The goalposts keep shifting. It's all about moving the party, and country, as far right as possible… nothing to do with our future agreements with the EU or anyone else.
@cougar … it is a consolation actually. 🤡
Yup, just seen a Tory MP on Channel4news complaining that none of the candidates are really pro-Brexit
I always though Johson was as pro-brexit as they come. I suppose the closer you get to being the person that has to actually make that decision, the more of a bad idea it begins to seem!
Perhaps he's having second thoughts about his "technological solution" to the Northern Ireland border.
From the Observer’s Nick Cohen
Nick Cohen
@NickCohen4
Talked to a Tory MP last night who was backing Johnson
"Do you think he'd be any good as PM"
"No"
"What on earth will he do about Brexit"?
"No one knows"
"Why do you want him, then?"
"He's the best hope we've got"
"By 'we" you don't mean Britain do you?"
"No the party, of course"
Boris is the fall guy. Election/2nd referendum coming this way soon. We don't leave.
JP
A Tory MP’s list of priorities
1. Self
2. Party
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38. Country
As high as 38?
Anyway the knives aren't properly out yet (see Johnson/Gove during the last leadership contest).
I was being generous. In truth it’s just behind ‘what shall I have for tea tonight?’
38. Country
That high?
I always though Johson was as pro-brexit as they come.
Boris only cares about himself. I tend to believe the argument that he went full brexit in the expectation it would be lost but he would look good to the nutters and so be in line to be leader.
With that in mind who knows which way he will decide to jump.
In a weird way, it could be good if he becomes PM.
He will finally have to sit down at the table in front of a huge shit sandwich, and with everyone watching, actually do something.
All the issues with Brexit haven't gone away (the EU, parliament, the Tory & brexit parties and the people in the country). The nefarious cloud of bollocks he spouts is about to hit the iceberg of reality. And the scrutiny on him will be ratcheted up by a factor of 17 gazillion. Scrutiny is not good for this guy.
And once this "Superman of Brexit" fails, he will be consigned to the food waste bin of history. And if HE can't make it work then the whole endeavor becomes more questionable.
We can only hope he does not last long with the halloween deadline and doesn't do too much damage to the country.
We can only hope he does not last long with the halloween deadline and doesn’t do too much damage to the country.
They don't care about damage to the country, it's the party that counts and only the party.
And once this “Superman of Brexit” fails, he will be consigned to the food waste bin of history. And if HE can’t make it work then the whole endeavor becomes more questionable.
That is when Farage steps in as he will be brilliant at sorting this out with his excellent track record of doing stuff (especially in the EU)
I always though Johson was as pro-brexit as they come.
I remember him almost flipping a coin before the referendum to decide whether he was leave or remain. His decision to back leave was based on what would be best for him (as always) so wouldn't see him as a staunch brexiteer
one came from a Corbyn supporting Imam asking about whether “words have consequences”.
Well, his words had consequences as he was suspended by his mosque. Compare and contrast with the reaction of the Conservative Party, which did nothing to punish the racist words from Johnson.
He will finally have to sit down at the table in front of a huge shit sandwich, and with everyone watching, actually do something.
Get on the hotline to Trump and declare war on Iran?
It will be interesting to see what happens. Of course I would be much happier observing this in another country rather than the blond buffoon make decisions that will effect me, my friends & family.
Get on the hotline to Trump and declare war on Iran?
Weapons of mass distraction?