Unfortunately, as Channel 4 news has just shown when interviewing a selection of typical Tory members (Male, White, rich, retired and from the south east), they all absolutely love him!
If he’s in the last two - which he surely must be already - then he’ll walk it
The depressing reality is that barring him ****ing it up for himself, he’s our next PM.
That’s why his team are keeping him locked in a cupboard and only letting him out if he promises not to open his mouth.
Our only hope is that with a past as dodgy as his, someone’s got some real dirt that they’re waiting to spill
Of course they will vote for Boris. Anything else is handing control to Farage or Corbyn.
^^^^ Is the nation really that insane?
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seemingly not actually that insane & apparently #faknews
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1138770283207319553
Given the past few years... do you even need to ask?
Our only hope is that with a past as dodgy as his, someone’s got some real dirt that they’re waiting to spill
There must be.
But will it get out? Doubt it.
The media are terrified of the Tories - the BBC is fighting for it's life and the sensible print/net sources are irrelevant now, fake news innit?
Strange how McVey's alleged affair with the modern Mosely is never mentioned.......
Chris Grayling is backing Boris. Surely even Boris must be a little worried by that?
Love how everyone here just keeps ignoring a certain troll so they keep upping their comment game only to be further ignored.
Back on topic, another angry voice over on Facebook earlier suggested he always goes against what he's been elected on.
Personally I think at the moment he's doing his usual I can do this and general throwing shit from the sidelines. It'll be interesting to see what happens should he be elected and actually make decisions.
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I see what you did there, well played.
`whats to stop a bunch of people clubbing together to fund say 63001 conservative memberships (although presumably you won't need that many as all of the existing ones aren't going to vote for the same person) and voting for whichever one is the least problematic? I'd put in a few quid.
I think you have to have been a member for so many months in order to be eligible to vote, otherwise i'm sure someone would do that!!
About 30k new members signed up since Aron banks suggested they should infiltrate the Tories last year, 160k total iirc
The whole Tory leadership selection is a show. It's bread and circuses. The vast majority of people throughout the nation's of the UK have no say in this. The media are letting us all down by not pointing out just how small a group actually have a vote in this farcical sham of democracy.
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`whats to stop a bunch of people clubbing together to fund say 63001 conservative memberships (although presumably you won’t need that many as all of the existing ones aren’t going to vote for the same person) and voting for whichever one is the least problematic? I’d put in a few quid.
Pretty much the opposite has already happened, though inexplicably the press isn't full of wailing about Tory entryism (their membership has gone up by about a third in the last year)
The big problem the Torys have got is finding someone who the public will actually vote for - Hunt and Gove are not going to get much public backing, and after Boris promised a tax cut for the big earners I am surprised if the public will be very warm to him.
I think that ultimately the top three from yesterdays vote will not ultimately get the top job.
If we are judging PMs on their moral histories, then frankly you know nothing about the intimate details of the ruling political classes since...the beginning of time.
Power doesn't corrupt - those who seek power are already corrupt.
If you are looking for innocence then go to your local coffee shop barista or NHS frontline worker - those who serve, etc., shall hopefully inherit the kingdom of god. They deserve to.
All I know is the man needs to invest in a ****ing comb or a brush. You’re a grownup FFS, brush your hair. Boris and Trump, truly we’re getting the leaders we deserve. Apathy brought us here
Apathy brought us here
Populism brought us here. People not taking in by populism are not apathetic, we just don't have the numbers. Populism is not surprisingly popular...
Our only hope is that with a past as dodgy as his, someone’s got some real dirt that they’re waiting to spill
He's a racist, liar and philanderer. His supporters don't care. See also: Donald Trump.
Hunt and Gove are not going to get much public backing, and after Boris promised a tax cut for the big earners I am surprised if the public will be very warm to him.
I think that ultimately the top three from yesterdays vote will not ultimately get the top job.
The "public" has no say in it. It will be decided by about .3 percent of the population. Whoever they choose from the current nominees is guaranteed the "top job" until a general election is called. Due to the Fixed Term Parliament Act that could be 2022
The country needs to go through some true hardship. Perhaps for a generation, to finally quell this whole hateful Brexit/ far right resurgence
Yep I said this a while back. I was called selfish. But it's true.
We need a financial collapse and the public need to see they are always being screwed at the expense of private debt.
As for Bojo, like Farage he's a character - good or bad doesn't matter he gets attention all the time and that resonates.
I'm looking forward to him being PM. I assume that will be the end of Michael Gove for one, and secondly it's got to be worth a couple of percent swing to the Yes vote in Scotland for IndyRef2.
It's like some horrible catch 22. If Joseph Heller were around he'd be quite worried.
The only ones to get into power are those with power, those that need and should be represented by power are not. Just the powerful representing the needs of the powerful for the power hungry.
I’m looking forward to him being PM. I assume that will be the end of Michael Gove for one
This +1
Despite his buffoonery, Boris is actually quite a good business man, kind of like Trump without the narcissim - judge on the scale of politicisation vs average man of course.
I'l be interested to see that if he becomes PM, his advisors might reign in the former and the latter might shine a bit. I imagine that'd be a tricky balance.
Despite his buffoonery, Boris is actually quite a good business man
What absolute nonsense. For a start he's never been "a businessman" his response to business being worried about a no deal brexit was "**** business". And let's not forget the Garden Bridge fiasco...
You mean they'll make him less of a businessman and more of a Trump like muppet?
I can see that working.
I think what Boris is actually good at is diverting attention. He's like the proverbial "good day for bad news". If the Tories get him in no 10, they can do all sorts of other stuff without anyone noticing. Just wheel out Boris to make a few gaffes and fill up the front page. And doesn't he look all cuddly with his untidy mop.
To be fair, that was good business for the consultants...
Despite his buffoonery, Boris is actually quite a good business man
Cite. Unless the business you are referring to is the promotion of one Boris Johnson.
What the...! Since when has BJ been a good businessman? I bet he was trusted to run the tuck shop at Eton and ran it into the ground after 5 mins / ate the entire stock. Oh Boris with your Billy bunteresque japes! Quick here comes matron!
kind of like Trump without the narcissism
What? The man is a walking narcissistic personality disorder
As a reminder.
Back on topic, another angry voice over on Facebook earlier suggested he always goes against what he’s been elected on.
You have to understand that all that matters currently for him is getting first the support of a majority of Tory MPs - look serious / be the only way of saving your own job and party / look General Election electable and then appealing to the majority of Tory party members.
He'll promise anything - tax cuts / the death penalty / free holidays for rich OAPs / public chocolate fountains - so the latter will vote for him, BUT once it's done and he's elected, he never needs to appeal to them again, so there are no real consequences to lying. It's slightly different with MPs, but for the members, it doesn't make any practical difference. He can promise anything and then go back on it without consequences.
Our only hope is that with a past as dodgy as his, someone’s got some real dirt that they’re waiting to spill
It would have to be seismic, like he's a robot or Putin's secret cold war lover or something. Part of his appeal is that the Tories already know he's a duplicitous, serial liar, philanderer, buffoon, probably narcissist etc. But if you think about it, that's actually something of an advantage for someone who won't be able to deliver what he promises. When he goes back on his word, no-one will remotely surprised.
He's awful though. When he was answering questions at his launch thing, he started to look like an oversized teddy bear that was about to start leaking stuffing through badly stitched seams. Shifty, blustering, evasive. But then it's not like anyone didn't know that already.
I read an interesting artical about what other foreign diplomats thought of Boris when dealing with him during his time as foreign Secretary.
They thought he he was totally useless.
And when Boris marries his mistress a situation becomes vacant.
What I can't get over is how lightweight they all are...people I've never heard of before now seeking to be PM without a mandate from the electorate and talk of suspending parliament. This is a real spectator sport. I just worry about how those people will react who've been suckered into far-right populism when they become even poorer and lose their jobs etc etc.
Boris has already shown his political astuteness by announcing tax cuts for the wealthy at the same time as the elderly are losing their free TV licenses. Trump's comments on the NHS helped Labour win brexit-voting Peterborough. This ****storm is going to run and run.
I just worry about how those people will react who’ve been suckered into far-right populism when they become even poorer and lose their jobs etc etc.
They will just believe the next bit of populist nonsense that explains why they are poorer and have no job. They are hardly going to become politically enlightened.
Boris has already shown his political astuteness by announcing tax cuts for the wealthy at the same time as the elderly are losing their free TV licenses.
He's just appealing very specifically to the Tory party members whose votes he needs. It's not exactly genius: they're old, rich people who would like to pay less tax. At this point he doesn't give stuff about the wider electorate and, in particular, old people who will actually notice having to pay for a TV licence because, guess what, they're not Tory party members. Don't be suckered into thinking this has anything to do with the wider electorate, at this stage he's just doing anything he needs to, to appeal to that very particular constituency.
I read an interesting article about what other foreign diplomats thought of Boris when dealing with him during his time as Foreign Secretary.
They thought he was totally useless.
The opinion of all the civil servants at the Foreign Office was that he was lazy, with absolutely no curiosity, no interest in detail, wouldn't even bother to read his briefing notes. His approach to everything was to 'just wing it'.
Great if you're Boris, not so great if you're Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe
^^ Yep, good points here but none of this posturing occurs in a vacuum, many people do put two and two together.
Despite his buffoonery, Boris is actually quite a good business man
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
was that he was lazy, with absolutely no curiosity, no interest in detail, wouldn’t even bother to read his briefing notes. His approach to everything was to ‘just wing it’.
Sounds like you are describing Trump
He's pretty much identical in all his character traits to Trump, and he's playing exactly the same cards to get himself into number 10
Sounds like you are describing Trump
He's the british incarnation of Trump. Remember how we all laughed when Trump got elected? At least trump got elected against the wishes of his party. This will be the final nail in the coffin of the tories. First they gave us brexit to solve an internal argument, then they compound that by failing to deliver it, now they're going to impose an incompetent idiot as PM who will take us out with no deal (or not, as I think will happen). They're finished after this.
I can't remember which one of Gordon Browns aids it was who wrote about him. He said that he spent all those years plotting against Blair to get into number ten. Expanded all that effort, was constantly undermining him and felt a sense of entitlement to the top job
When he finally got it they all waited expectantly for him to detail all the things he was going to do now he was in the top job .... and waited ...and waited
Nothing. He had no plan. No philosophy. Absolutely nothing. His entire motivation was just that he wanted to be PM. And look how long he lasted. He staggered from one disaster to the next.
Given that Boris led the Brexit campaign that we all now know had absolutely no substance, 'not even a sketch of a plan', I imagine that when he gets the top job it'll be Gordon Brown x 1000
All his ego wants is for him to be able to play at being Winston Churchill for a bit. When faced with the reality and the responsibility of being PM I imagine that he'll unravel at a terrifying pace
All very amusing it will be to watch, but its hardly what this country needs right now
All his ego wants is for him to be able to play at being Winston Churchill for a bit.
Hence the no deal bravado. You can't be a Churchillian messiah without a national emergency to rescue us from.
but its hardly what this country needs right now
Maybe it is? I've always said the people get the government they deserve. The only hope is that it wakes people up to how they're being shafted. I very much doubt that will happen though.
I'm just hoping that Gove will knife him with some horrific revelation right at the last minute, hence Gove’s recent clear the air drugs confessions. It’ll have to be something absolutely amazing given that Cameron got away with skull-****ing a dead pig.
I’d be happier if he just knifed him though.
What really, really pisses me off are the Labour Party. Where are they when we need them? I can see the logic of letting the Tories burn the place down and Labour can then start again from the ashes, but in the national interest wouldn’t it be better to take the matches off the children in the first place?
What really, really pisses me off are the Labour Party. Where are they when we need them?
