Have you not noticed the Tory MPs taking the piss out of grandad at PMQ's? Everyone knows the routine now. He mumbles all his usual rambling nonsense, then he has one or two 'soundbite' sentences where he does his shouty student thing.
He is now greeted with ironic cheers from the Tory benches and what I assume must be despair from those behind him. May even remarked sarcastically last week, when he did it, about 'having done your Twitter thing' - literally as soon as he'd done it. Because he does it every week
As far as he's then concerned, the social media team will edit the soundbite bit and tweet it out the all the sixth formers following him on Twitter and facebook. Never mind trying to get the message (whatever that is?) across to anyone else. Job done. It's all sorted.
And that's it... Jeremy's press and communication commitments are taken care of for another week and it's back to the allotment, with maybe a trip out to miners refuge in Barnsley for a Palestinian fundraiser
FFS!! Boris Johnson's team are desperately trying with all their might to keep him hidden from the press and the public. They've virtually locked him in a cupboard. And he's still more visible than grandad
They should have got him to follow Corbyn around for a week and they'd have been sorted. He's got being invisible down to an artform
If only he was a genuine socialist like Tony Benn, rather than being a self centred career politician.
I suspect you're being ironic but if not:
Wasn't Tony Benn on the right of the Labour party until he worked out he could create a nice cult political career for himself by going left?
In contrast Corbyn has shown no interest in a political career beyond being a back bencher. According to John McDonnell in the BBC Documentary just after he won the leadership Corbyn only went for the leader gig because it was his turn to be the token leftie leadership candidate (and John McDonnell had suffered a recent heart attack). They couldn't have predicted a victory for their wing of the party and if they'd known they would get past the PLP vote stage they'd have picked the candidate a lot more carefully.
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Be a bit antisemitic?
Jesus man you sound like a daily telegraph sound bite bot.
I think I have my answer though to the question of what you want labour to do. Be on the telly and radio a lot by the sounds of it. Which is stupid because the leadership and general elections proved that Corbyn is strongest when he’s out talking to normal people in their communities rather than playing the silly Westminster media game.
In contrast Corbyn has shown no interest in a political career beyond being a back bencher
Which is his appeal. If Boris proves anything it’s that those who seek power are the least suitable to wield it. This isn’t yet accepted wisdom in this country but it will be after Johnson has done his work.
Johnson doubling down on unicorns. He apparently will be able to change the Ni backstop once pm.
He is going to do this by threatening no deal and to withhold the money we owe.
Is he a dag? (Aussie slang)
I would like to see a strong leader who will stand up for British values.... How about Prince Phillip for PM ?
I see questions are being asked about who’s funding Boris’s campaign.
Questions his team refuse to answer
How very Brexit
Arron Banks hedging his bets, via Putin?
Binners you're wasted here. Your ramblings are quite eloquent 👏
Just taking one point from there, so you’re cool with burqas?
Yep, presumably you are not – which is no surprise given all the other shit you post.
Wow, ok. I post shit? Coming from an inhabitant of a troll filled echo chamber, that really hurts!
Yeah well call me a Nazi but I'm with the women of Iran who risk their necks by going unveiled in public. We are talking about real fascism here. If you think it's shit perhaps you need to do a bit more homework. Saying "you write shit" might win you an argument in your school playground but if you are trying to argue with someone of opposing political views you need to be a bit more intelligent/eloquent, or I'm afraid you just sound like a knuckle dragging standard issue pond life.
I’m with the women of Iran who risk their necks
‘Course you are, yeah. Solidarity with the women of Iran, brother.
Course you are, yeah. Solidarity with the women of Iran, brother.
I was thinking exactly the same. I am sure the suppressed women of Iran feel ever grateful.
How are you showing that support grime. Have you burnt a burqa in your own #metoo show of unity?
his casual islamphobia, racism & homophobia aside Johnson has no plan for Brexit
but then neither do the rest of them
yet the Leavers somehow think that its going to better than it was with May
It’s fine. Don’t you worry your pretty little heads about this
IF THEY JUST TALK MORE SLOWLY AND MORE LOUDLY THEN JOHNNY FOREIGNER WILL GIVE US OUR CAKE AND EAT IT, RED WHITE AND BLUE BREXIT
Theresa wasn’t prepared to do this. Boris will.
They’ll fold immediately when faced with a mop-haired ****-wit with a gun at his own head
grimep seems keen to defend his islamaphobia, yet has no comment on his lack of a plan for brexit?
grimep is a complete troll, you won't be getting any plans or any discussion just more and more extreme posts trying to wind you all up.
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Serious question: why are mods on here so active on this sort of thing and on vague thread duplication? Other forums of which I'm a member take a much more laissez faire approach to this sort of thing and the world hasn't ended. It sometimes feels a bit like being back at school on here.
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The format of this forum (with only two sub-forums) would result in the topic list being overwhelmed by duplicate threads. Keeping all similar discussion in one thread maximises the number of different topics on the topic list(s).
Plus, it just saves on unnecessary duplication, cross-posting and moderation.
Serious question: why are mods on here so active on this sort of thing and on vague thread duplication?
Turning that around: why do you need to have the same discussion in 17 different threads?
"Thread drift" was really the wrong term. There's nothing wrong with thread drift, it's a positive thing even. If this thread tangented off into the relative merits of African elephants over Indian ones it wouldn't matter. Rather, duplicate discussions will quickly gum up the forum (this is the reason paging posts aren't allowed) and it's generally preferable to have comments on a subject all in one place.
You might argue "one duplicate doesn't matter" but if we took that view then all it would take is three celebrity deaths and the front page would be full of nothing else.
Other forums of which I’m a member take a much more laissez faire approach to this sort of thing and the world hasn’t ended. It sometimes feels a bit like being back at school on here.
No-one's stopping you using those forums instead, if that's what you'd prefer. In't choice brilliant!
Plus, y'know, it's tedious enough having "magic granddad" posts every third post in one thread, I don't think anyone wants that spilling over into multiple others too.
Thanks Cougar. I was about to say the same.
If this thread tangented off into the relative merits of African elephants over Indian ones it wouldn’t matter
Oh I know this one. Ian't it something to do with stall speed?
only when on a treadmill
Oh I know this one. Ian’t it something to do with stall speed?
Yup. African elephants have a much higher glide ratio. Bigger ears.
all it would take is three celebrity deaths and the front page would be full of nothing else.
Aye, imagine the chaos if Joe Cocker and Roger Moore were both to pop their clogs on the same day.
Have you not noticed the Tory MPs taking the piss out of grandad at PMQ’s?
About the only relevance of this rant against Corbyn as opposed to discussing the actual subject at hand was the bit about PMQ. Did you notice how remarkably similar Boris press conference was to it.
Absolute failure to answer the questions plus some moronic MPs jeering away at anyone daring to ask a question.
The problem is too many people seem to actually be impressed by the childish behaviour rather than asking why the tories actually think it is acceptable behaviour for an MP to act like a child in order to try and protect their representative from answering questions.
It's ok, both have plenty of years left in them yet.
edit - Joe Cocker and Roger Moore.
Poundland Trump
Straight from the Lynton Crosby playbook.
He's locked in a cupboard
Submarine PM Mk2 …
He is comfortably ahead why bother risk opening his mouth answering awkward questions.
Its not like he will be penalised for it.
Besides if he provides anything for free its less to include in his column for the telegraph.
This whole thing is a classic establishment stitch up. Or if a coup-d'etat if you want to be dramatic about it. Hancock miraculously changing his mind to support him tells us all we need to know. He's either been bought off with a promotion or strongarmed into acquiescing under threat of it being the end of his political career. I wouldn't be surprised if the members vote doesn't happen and Johnson is imposed without opposition.
The weird thing is that the public are not up in arms about it. If this was most other countries people would be out on the streets by now.
Emma Barnett ripping one of Boris' supporters to pieces; (from 10.13)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live
So how many children does Boris have?
This whole thing is a classic establishment stitch up.
It's the opposite of an establishment stitch-up. The MPs and Civil Service think he's useless. MPs are only voting for him because they think the electorate and the Tory members will vote for him.
Boris is like Brexit, it's the voters stitching up the establishment, not the other way round.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the member's vote doesn’t happen and Johnson is imposed without opposition.
It looks increasingly like that's exactly where we're headed, doesn't it?
One thing all these Brexiteers in the Tory party seem very very comfortable with is their total contempt for democracy. They don't even seem fussed about pretending they believe in it any more
Boris on Brown in the Telegraph:
“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”
“Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay.”
Let’s have an election without delay. Quite so.
I don't see the need for public debates, the only people that need to decide the new leader are Tory party members and Tory MP. I don't need to see a televised debate to know they are all tory ****ers.
The MPs and Civil Service think he’s useless.
I know someone who reported directly to him at FCO, and while what you say is entirely true, they also said that behind the scenes key MPs @ the DexEU were far, far worse. Which is scary. To think that he isn't even he worst candidate for PM is quite something.
I don't think a discussion on TV is needed but it scares the crap out of me when the front runner doesn't show.
Why? In case he says something stupid, so as not to tarnish his image? I can't think of a good reason that doesn't say they're worried about him speaking.
It's not just about the TV debates, it it…
https://twitter.com/simon_schama/status/1140605606673473536?s=21
https://twitter.com/simon_schama/status/1140606646219096064?s=21
I know someone who reported directly to him at FCO, and while what you say is entirely true, they also said that behind the scenes key MPs @ the DexEU were far, far worse.
I knew a Civil Servant who worked with a previous PM. (One many would regard as one of the more capable ones.)
They sat him down and drummed into him what to say at a meeting and critically what he shouldn't agree to under any circumstances.
Later that night they saw him on TV announcing he'd agreed the thing they said he shouldn't. 🙂
Mind you, I'm on a Parish Council and our Clerk tells me stuff all the time that slips out of my head. That's democracy. Popularity/Willingness to do the job != Competence.
key MPs @ the DexEU
Assume you mean Davis and Raab?
fasthaggis’s link is quite an interesting view. Boris is such an accomplished bullshitter and hypocrite that only he can manage the extraordinary climb down needed to get a pragmatic solution to the Brexit shambles passed before the Brexiteers realise that he’s done their legs.
