[Closed] At what point is it ok

I think mboy should be commended for still getting out on his bike while bedridden. Most of us would sack a ride off with just a mild cough. And yet this hero, is getting out there when other mere mortals would be cowering under their duvets, praying with the relevant gods to deliver them from this flu-maggedon.

I have a job. During the day I'm a mild-mannered janitor... Ah, no, that's Hong Kong Phooey.

I didn't get involved in petty scraps in the playground and I'm not about to start now.

as a third post on the thread that's quite good

I didn't get involved in petty scraps in the playground and I'm not about to start now.
as a third post on the thread that's quite good

Hoist by my own petard 🙂

I think mboy should be commended for still getting out on his bike while bedridden. Most of us would sack a ride off with just a mild cough. And yet this hero, is getting out there when other mere mortals would be cowering under their duvets, praying with the relevant gods to deliver them from this flu-maggedon.

I think you;ve got thw wrong end of the stick there Jamie.

The last 3 days have been spent almost entirely in bed with the flu though

I think his girlfriend is called Fulviah, so that's who he is referring too. "We don't get out of bed for less than a 15k road ride, or a cup of coffee and croissants."

I don't know where to start on this one cos clearly the apology for late delivery I posted on here yesterday didn't get read by the buyer!

Anyway... First things first... I messed up with a delivery, courier wouldn't send it without a phone number, so had to contact the OP for their phone number and then rearrange a delivery. I was busy at work (not an excuse I know, just how it was), so I apologise it was a little late in the first place. Emailed the buyer, they responded with their phone number and "thanks for getting back to me"...

That was on Friday. Delivery companies don't tend to work on Saturday or Sunday, so arranged the delivery company to pick up as quickly as possible after that (which ended up being Tuesday not Monday as they'd promised, but anyway!)...

I've been ill in bed... That's not up for debate, that's fact. I don't get the constant requirement for the OP to stalk my every movement and to make up storied about me. I rode (briefly) on Saturday morning as I had organised a road ride that I couldn't really get out of (I had started to feel less than 100% the night before). From Saturday early evening onwards, I have been in bed pretty much the entire time (sleeping most of it) with some pretty severe flu like symptoms (chronic aches, sweats, shivering, you know, the usual stuff that Lemsip definitely doesn't fix!).

The wheels were definitely picked up. By City Link. I don't have the tracking number, I was at home in bed (the wheels were picked up from my work address whilst my colleague was there), you'll have to take my word for this but invariably if you don't believe I'm ill, you'll still carry on running about with your pitchfork ablaze until they arrive!

Anyways, didn't this get brought up the other day and all explained in that thread??

The one that was then removed as the mods assured that the OP had seen it, and were satisfied the issue was "dealt with"...? Clearly not!

Can't see any problem, ok so mBoy's been very lax and a bit silly to not contact/make contact but the Guys been on here for like ages and contributes to the forum like, so I'd give the bloke the benefit of the doubt and suck it up a bit.

I have/had made contact. Maybe not as frequently as the buyer has wanted, but I have not gone to ground here.

Oh, and PayPal Gift; I don't know why people get so worked up, no one is forced to use it.

Yup, and the buyer didn't pay via a gift... She's completely covered if I was rogue (which I am not). This has all the hallmarks of someone doing the ground work to state that not only were the wheels late, that when they arrive they are totally unsuitable, angling for them for free by raising enough issues publicly and through the payment forum so as to create enough doubt about me (the seller) that I essentially get tarred and feathered!

Quite frankly, if the buyer was not happy at the point I contacted them on Friday, she should have stated in her email response. I would have offered some form of compensation or the money back. I read "thanks for getting in touch, my number is......" as a green light. 😕

I did raise an eyebrow when I read that as a reason for a delay. It's up there with my dog ate it.

my hermes ask for a phone number for the delivery address but you can enter any old shite or indeed your own number to get around that - they never use it.

In my experience, some do, some don't. Some insist on it and then text the recipient when they're planning to deliver. Either way, I thought it best to get the buyers number rather than bull***t round it in case of any further issues (oh the irony!).

In answer to the OP, I'd probably wait a little longer before launching a full nuclear assault, given that this is the busiest week of the year for parcel deliveries.

It doesn't strike me as being quite in the same league as some stuff that has been put up here for pitchforking. Perhaps I'm just a bit too trusting, eh?

If he sent it via myhermes in the Nwest they had a distribution center fire. Maybe he didn't select insured and is doubting you? Weird though as mboy doesn't seem to be bad and if paid via goods its hardly scammy. Hope he's OK not had a fall.

I'm glad not everyone sees everything so black and white, or aggressively as the OP!

The flu-riding thing is amusing though...

In presence of some titbits of information, we have had all sorts of accusations made against me already (that if she doesn't apologise publicly for, will get taken further). I see this not only as highly unrprofessional, but also of dubious moral values.

This was a private sale, on a public forum. STW doesn't permit trade sales, I was selling my own wheels as a private individual to another private individual. The only reason my workplace should have had anything to do with this is that I'd taken them to work as it was the most convenient place for them to be picked up. For the buyer to persistently use Facebook and this forum to accuse me of being a liar, and attempting to bring my business into disrepute, is beyond me! I haven't lied about anything.

If the buyer thinks a full scale public nuclear attack is the best way to solve a minor grievance over delivery of an item, how would she feel if the boot was on the other foot?

Given that, on Monday when the buyer first decided to raise the threat level to Defcon 1, I was unaware of the email she had sent earlier that day asking for an update until after she'd made several attempts on STW to slander my name.

ANY normal, [i]reasonable[/i] person would try to solve a matter entirely privately no? Given that people have lives and all sorts of other things that get in the way of communication sometimes, I don't think that it's unreasonable that I believe the full scale nuclear attack on this forum, within only a few hours of having sent me an email, is totally unreasonable.

I would also like to say this... The fact that the buyer has wasted hours of her life, posting on this forum, facebook (and god only knows elsewhere) has meant only one thing... I have had to spend equally lengthy amounts of time, giving my account of events. Time that has not been productive in resolving this matter in the slightest!

My thoughts the moment I learnt of the attack on here on Monday incidentally...
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I await, with baited breath, to hear the next installation of the story from the buyer. The courier company has her address, email address, phone number, the wheels were sent with added value insurance etc. Will they magically disappear do you think? Or perhaps they'll implode the first time they get ridden!

And I [i]still [/i]don't have the name of the courier company or a tracking number...

Is this the 'righteous indignation' somebody mentioned a while back? 😆

Your turn Mark.

edit- the boot wouldn't be on the other foot because I'm savvy enough not to get in this sort if predicament in the first place.

By City Link. I don't have the tracking number, I was at home in bed (the wheels were picked up from my work address whilst my colleague was there)

ahem.

And I still don't have the name of the courier company or a tracking number...

The wheels were definitely picked up. By City Link.

I don't have the tracking number, I was at home in bed (the wheels were picked up from my work address whilst my colleague was there), you'll have to take my word for this but invariably if you don't believe I'm ill, you'll still carry on running about with your pitchfork ablaze until they arrive!

So we've failed today's literacy test already then it seems! 🙄

Anybody want to see a screen dump of the paypal resolution screen if/when the wheels land?

The wheels were definitely picked up. By City Link. I don't have the tracking number, I was at home in bed (the wheels were picked up from my work address whilst my colleague was there), you'll have to take my word for this

Is this the bit where I turn out to be the baddy after all? Dan dan daaaaah!

Perhaps if mboy DIDNT have a rep for being crap at sending stuff (see the now 4 threads asking if others had crap dealings with him) then we could cut him some slack. But he is clearly pretty disorganised.
Oh and to try and turn it around on the OP suggesting they're going to be claiming the wheels are rubbish / faulty and you'll be out of pocket is just fantasy.
MTFU and get your shit together. Or dont take peoples money if you're not going to get stuff sent out promptly.

I bloody love this thread.

So we've failed today's literacy test already then it seems!

I would think that slagging the OP isn't going to do your reputation much good for future classifieds sales, or actually resolve the issue.

I don't understand why you can't provide a tracking number; did the courier not email it to you?

Bugger it, burn him I say! 😀

mboy - I think your history in the 'failed to deliver and been outed on stw as a result' stakes hasn't helped you here.

City Link would have given your colleague a tracking number - getting it to the OP would take little effort and avoid any further confusion.

Perhaps thats why people become reluctant to take your word for it.

You, know I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that it's none of "people's" business.

You'd ordinarily get some kind of receipt as proof of collection from City Link, at least we do when we use them, which has the tracking number on it. You should also be able to use that to see when it was collected and when it was signed for, and by who (or is it whom)?

I feel this thread may be drawing to a premature conclusion...

City Link would have given your colleague a tracking number - getting it to the OP would take little effort and avoid any further confusion.

I phoned him earlier, he'd lost the piece of paper...

He's now found it...

[Tracking link redacted as it contains personal information]

Currently out for delivery between 13:00 and 15:00 today it says!

ANY normal, reasonable person would try to solve a matter entirely privately no?

The number of people who put in an eBay/PP dispute a few days afterwards, without getting in touch or anything, really winds me up.

*takes a 3rd biscuit*

[i]He's now found it...[/i]

group hug?

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I wanted to buy some forks off him, but after many unanswered emails, and a post on here to try and alert him to the fact, i got a response, and a different reason why emails werent being answered. By this time i had given up. Just man up. To blame the OP is really not on.

I did try to resolve it privately, you weren't answering my emails.

'Too busy' is not an excuse.

You, know I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that it's none of "people's" business.

Most people would agree with you, but some people might not.

Peoples, eh?

Perhaps thats why people become reluctant to take your word for it.
You, know I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that it's none of "people's" business.

Better to leave it until more "people" have issues?

I'm just going to clean my bike and have some lunch.

Can we keep the thread open long enough for the wheels to be delivered as I need some closure on this.

But it is peoples business if mboy is selling on here and peoples could get stung.

You, know I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that it's none of "people's" business.

wwaswas - Member

I'm just going to clean my bike and have some lunch.

Can we keep the thread open long enough for the wheels to be delivered as I need some closure on this.

The tracking link is on the previous page, so you can check for yourself when they are delivered! I've been refreshing the link several times a minute. I don't want to miss it! 😆

Right.

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Mboy has been a bit crap (and ill), and has previous (though for context, it seems to be three times in as many years). Kayla1's response has been, let's say "assertive." But it appears to be resolved now as the goods have been posted and paid for.

I'm not prepared to let this thread descend into further speculation and petty name calling - either from our two combatants or the peanut gallery - so let's draw a line under it for now. I'd like to leave the thread open for its conclusion, but I'll be closing it if it descends into further mud-slinging which doesn't help anyone.
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Ok? Ok.

Aye, no bother. Assertive is [i]good[/i], right?

I had someone threaten me with a pitchforking when they had made an elementary mistake with the item I sold. I asked them if they'd done it and then they went quiet.

On the other hand, I'm on the OPs side here 🙂

I liked your first response better, kayla1 😉

Edit.

Nice back-pedal-edit there OP 🙂

Is this the bit where I turn out to be the baddy after all? Dan dan daaaaah!

There's goodies and baddies outside of kids films? 😕

As the classifieds system essentially runs on trust then this is perhaps the only way people can learn who to walk away from. As they say once is bad luck, twice is careless, third time? fourth time?

I don't mean it should be swept under the carpet. What I mean is, the comments about what people will believe, ultimately they can believe what the hell they want about postage and tracking numbers, it's none of their business.

The only salient points relevant to anyone other than Mboy and Kayla1 are the fact that there was an issue, and how (and indeed if) it gets resolved satisfactorily. "He said you said she said blah blah" is none of our business.

ska-49 - good point. Can the mods sort that?

Sort what, sorry?

I phoned him earlier, he'd lost the piece of paper...

He's now found it...

sssoooo close to being thread of the year!

I've never been called a peanut gallery before.

if it descends into further mud-slinging

Glad it's all resolved OP.

Hope the OP likes the wheels when they arrive!

Cougar - ygm

they can believe what the hell they want about postage and tracking numbers, it's none of their business.

As someone who could potentially look at buying something from mboy in the future, I believe it certainly is my business. You don't have a seller rating system, so poor service will come out in such threads

As an aside, it'd be intersting to know the business where a set of second hand wheels are a tax deductible expense...

Cougar - ygm

Ah. Yes, good spot, now fixed.

Jesus what a fanny. Learn when to stop digging mate.

They've just arrived and are exactly what I needed, thanks.

I've closed the PP dispute-

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Sorry it went this far.

I've closed the PP dispute-

After inspecting the goods I hope 😉

Heh.

legend- yes, I opened the box first. All good.

I think there was some new rim tape in there as well, so thanks for that.

Edited as now sorted....

I do love a happy ending... 😀

OP - I think you are generally in the right here but that thing about the tax deductible element as mentioned above. Are you planning on re-selling the wheels?

as the seller is dying of cat aids, you should probably get them disinfected too

Here's the edited (I removed my address and sender's name) PP dispute page if anybody's interested-

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I did try to resolve it privately, you weren't answering my emails.

'Too busy' is not an excuse.

I was (and still am) in bed with the bloody flu! 😯

You clearly don't take the time to process information being given to you very carefully.

I will reiterate, that should you ever need to get a response off CRC, Merlin, Wiggle et al, in my experience they can often take 3-4 working days to respond to customer emails. Rather than being a reasonable human being and waiting to hear my response, you used bully tactics on an open forum to make yourself feel big.

You've spent time lecturing me about how to run my business, and what I should and shouldn't do. I did google your name along with "business consultant" but no results were found. They say you get what you pay for though, so still... Cheers for the free advice! 😉

The accused stated the OP is female so I'd like to know who the mystery Tiernan is.

I can't wait till

"I bought these wheels and they've fallen apart on the first ride"

thread.

mboy, we can all see that you were on the forum last night, so the "I was too ill" bit doesn't really fly.

I will reiterate, that should you ever need to get a response off CRC, Merlin, Wiggle et al, in my experience they can often take 3-4 working days to respond to customer emails

your inbox must be mad busy if those are your peers!

mboy you really should step away from this thread as slagging off the OP isn't doing you any favours. If you were 'that ill' that you were unable to answer an email then how the hell to you manage a bike ride? Of course you 'couldn't get out of it', mmm really.

I sense a Cougar approaching....

Jamie - Freeloader!
I sense a Cougar approaching....

oohhhh I hope it's Jessica Lange!!

I hope this thread doesn't get closed, I need to learn more about tax deductible wheels.....

They've just arrived and are exactly what I needed, thanks.

I've closed the PP dispute-

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Sorry it went this far.

😐

To add insult to injury, that is the lamest apology I have ever heard!

You are sorry for "taking things this far"...

How about "sorry for doubting your sincerity"?

Maybe "sorry for not resolving this amicably and privately"?

How about "sorry for calling you a liar and attempting to bring your business into disrepute publicly on this forum and all over facebook"?

Or possibly "sorry that I didn't clearly state that I wasn't happy with the delay in delivery in the first place so we could sort this out then and there"?

as the seller is dying of cat aids, you should probably get them disinfected too

Highly advisable...

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mboy, we can all see that you were on the forum last night, so the "I was too ill" bit doesn't really fly.

You sound like my parents who would say "If you're well enough to go on your computer you're well enough to go to school!" back when I was a wee nip.

Er, browsing the internet doesn't take much effort. Unless you're my mum, in which case it's kind of like operating mission control for NASA.

Are you my mum?

mboy perhaps you should take a leaf out the op's book and apologise for your appalling customer service. Just a thought.

If you DWYSYWD then you wouldn't be in this position, on several occasions.

You sound like my parents who would say "If you're well enough to go on your computer you're well enough to go to school!" back when I was a wee nip.

Er, browsing the internet doesn't take much effort. Unless you're my mum, in which case it's kind of like operating mission control for NASA.

Are you my mum?

Browsing the internet doesn't require a similar level of effort to replying to emails?

To add insult to injury, that is the lamest apology I have ever heard!

Classic ironing.

You are sorry for "taking things this far"...

How about "sorry for doubting your sincerity"?

Maybe "sorry for not resolving this amicably and privately"?

How about "sorry for calling you a liar and attempting to bring your business into disrepute publicly on this forum and all over facebook"?

Do you want to borrow one of these, your spade obviously isn't big enough...

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If this is a business and you have a colleague why didn't they deal with the order?

Just to conciseafy things, how long was it from payment to receiving? Then we can rule on this once and for all.*

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*and before Cougar has had enough, and sticks a knife in our ball.

mboy perhaps you should take a leaf out the op's book and apologise

I did

I apologised via email in the first place... The OP's response was "thanks for getting in touch, my number is........."...

I apologised again on the first post the OP made on this forum (which was subsequently deleted).

I apologised again in my own thread (which was subsequently deleted by the mods, and I have the email to explain that they felt things were satisfactorily dealt with).

Not only have I apologised, but I have stated several times now that if the OP had let me know they were unhappy, I would have refunded their money then and there.

Not once (until they went apoplectic on here) did they let me know they were unhappy!

This is why I am at a TOTAL loss over the whole situation...

I paid on the 5th.

12 days by my calculations..

This is why I am at a TOTAL loss over the whole situation...

Not a total loss, you got £85 in your sky rocket for Lemsip and Hall's Soothers 😀

If only they'd turned up a few hours earlier eh?

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