Any of you Rayner critics care to comment on Johnson's despicable attitude and behaviour at LGI?
Hancock then parachuted in, attempting to defend the indefensible - and, predictably, failing.
Jenrick didn't exactly play a blinder in tv shouting match, did he?
Sajid Javid sidelined; why? To avoid difficult questions about islamophobia and economic policies.
Cleverley wheeled out regularly to re-gurgitate 'get brexit done' and fail to answer any questions.
Gove? Odious alcoholic.
Rees-Mogg? Consigned to the sidelines - counting his serfs.
Tobias Elwood on radio is like dog shit - everywhere; attempting to talk everyone down but only showing himself to be ignorant and arrogant.
Iain drunken smith has been conspicuous by his absence - another problem drinker; clue is in the name; marginal seat - I have my fingers crossed.
John Redwood - another odious, self serving individual, also conspicuous by his absence; let's hope Philip Lee pisses on redwood's chips on thursday.
Johnson? Pass the sick bag, Alice. Another problem drinker. If tories win, he'll be gone within 12 months leaving a god almighty mess behind.
The man in question isn’t a teenage girl on twitter is he? He’s an adult male on a televised political debate during an election. If a small child dressed up as a Nazi and started giving fascist salutes to passers by, the context would still be important yes? Are you saying that it would therefore be acceptable for this man to do that as well on national tv during an election debate?
It’s perfectly reasonable to assume what his intent was.
Sounds like you’re still butt hurt for having to resign due to idiocy on your part.
Just as I thought...
The whole ‘honest broker’ red unicorns nonsense is a total farce. Jeremy still sat on his fence
I agree, he maybe should've stuck to his guns instead of listening to Starmer and Thornberry and certain ex-PM?
Probably academic now though. Rayner is a shoe-in to be the next leader, and she pronounced boldly tonight on QT that she'd vote for a brexit deal if (big if mind!) it protected the jobs of working class people. That's probably the line Corbyn should have used.
Any of you Rayner critics care to comment on Johnson’s despicable attitude and behaviour at LGI?
Hancock then parachuted in, attempting to defend the indefensible – and, predictably, failing.
Frank, Tories will be Tories. It's kind of expected, so of course Rayner is going to cop flak, it's news - Boris being a **** isn't news. The problem is - is that with Labour trying to race to the bottom alongside the Tories - many of us are left with having to suck it up and vote Labour through gritted teeth or vote Lib Dem.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Raybanwomble, the circle game has been doing the rounds for at least 20 years, it's still a staple on Facebook and such. The racist connotations simply don't exist and your examples are nothing like what happened. This is like something out of Brass Eye ffs.
Oh and nice personal dig at benv there, stay classy.
One of those examples Squirrelking, is the Christchurch shooter. He could be doing the old circle game, but I didn't think that had been a thing since the 90's.
ray - the whole thing about 'tories being tories' is a bit meaningless.
I don't see all tory MP's as bad but they do have a disproportionate number of trucking arses.
Equally, I don't see all labour MPs as being good, honourable, decent etc.
One of those examples Squirrelking, is the Christchurch shooter.
And I'm sure he'll be delighted he is getting what he wanted out of you and your like. Congratulations.
He could be doing the old circle game, but I didn’t think that had been a thing since the 90’s.
Just keep living in your own wee world then where your assumptions magically become truth.
Take your 4chan games somewhere else benv.
My games? I'm the one pointing out someone is falling for them ffs!
You don't mean to give offence, right?
Take what you want.
From your own link.
The description for the hand gesture in the database notes: “Caution must be used in evaluating instances of this symbol’s use.”
From a post above.
It’s perfectly reasonable to assume what his intent was.
No issues here, move along everyone...
> sigh <
What is your point?
That he is playing the circle game?
That he is trolling?
Others are suggesting that he is using it in the 2019 context, under cover of the above, and you are ruling out that possibility… and calling them morons… because…?
I don’t see all tory MP’s as bad but they do have a disproportionate number of trucking arses.
I didn't until they kicked out all the ones that weren't outright James Bond villains. 😀
There was a good article actually in the Guardian today about how we need to stop viewing all Tories as evil - again, you'll get your head bitten off round here for suggesting that.
What Mr Womble says. At every election since twitter has been going I have tried to find one MP from every party who does good work, and is an honourable in their actions, and used their tweets to show that those parties we disagree with still have people acting in what they believe are in the interests of all of us. There is no one I could pick from the Tory candidates this time.
Yup, would happily consider the thoughts of old school one nation Tories - because they are actually right sometimes, had some human decency and genuine belief.
Doesn't mean to say I'd agree with them though - but they were always worth listening to. Opposition plays a vital role in a functioning democracy, as long as it isn't corrupt or populist.
Whatever the ok gesture may or may not of started as, it's now both innocent and very sinister, depending on what you want it to be.
If someone does it to signal they are a racist #### and gets called out on it the defence is "lol! I'm just trolling you, can't believe you think the sign is far right! Lol! "
At the same time it signals to the people who know what your real intent is.
In the context of a debate on Brexit, which I think we all know has some serious racist undertones (not everyone obviously), with actual racists on the panel....
Rayner is a shoe-in to be the next leader
Well that's the end of the Labour party for another 5 years then. She is just another trained politician in the art of not actually answering any questions and not particularly likable.
May wasn't likable and faired a lot worse than Boris
What Labour need to learn, quickly, is that having a likable leader is the top priority. Once you have that then roll out the policies.
slowoldman
In our first year we will set
up a Constitution, Democracy & Rights Commission that will examine these issues in depth, and come
up with proposals to restore trust
in our institutions and in how our democracy operates.
In the event Johnson wouldn’t be bothered to pick up that heavy axe, assumedly there are others willing to step up?
This is the first time I've seen Corbyn directly call out media bias.
Yesterday was pretty weird all round - lots of bots in action claiming to be Nurses at 'Leeds Hospital', etc.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1204168230346067968?s=20
Too late? 🙁
Rayner is a shoe-in to be the next leader
She is indeed. Its obvious that the next leader will effectively be anointed by St Jeremy because thats what the sixth formers demand in this tragic ongoing 1980's remake. The Tories may well out-do the 18 years they were gifted by the labour party last time, before it hopefully see's some sense and limps back to the centre ground and tries to restore some credibility after this Corbynite debacle
At least Rayner showed she has the ability to think on her feet, unlike Jezza who stands there mute and motionless when presented with an open goal, and seems to actually be in possession of a personalty and a degree of political instinct.
But thats about it when it comes to positives.
Her line on Brexit is no doubt the same as Jezza's but at least she's being straight about it. Its surely glaringly obvious to anyone sentient that Jezza (in the laughably unlikely event of getting a majority) would go to Brussels, come back with Mays deal (for thats all thats on offer) and return to campaign enthusiastically for everyone to vote for it in a second referendum, against the wishes of the majority of his MP's, membership and voters
If anyones buying this 'honest broker' bullshit then you need your bumps feeling. He's a brexiteer and he wants us out. Looks like Rayner is too.
You know that thing the Tories do, where they repeat something often enough that it becomes accepted as true?
I don't know, perhaps we'll find out after they get Brexit done.
Adam Boulton just made an apology on Sky All Out Politics. (paraphrasing)
I am making a personal apology for last week describing the PM as looking tired and emotional and saying he's not drinking. I thought this was all forgotten about but CCHQ are not happy nad they are refusing to put somebody up in the debate tomorrow because of it. I hope they will accept my apology and turn up at the debate tomorrow.
WTAF!
Happened about 9.25ish
Dear God!
looks like Cummings chucking threats around is working a treat on the media. They're using any old excuse to stop him facing any scrutiny. Quote from yesterdays FT
“It’s clear what the strategy is,” says one person close to Mr Johnson’s highly disciplined campaign. “Keep him out of tough debates, keep him away from the public, stick to the message, make him look prime ministerial.”
make him look prime ministerial.
Hah!
Pretty sure Winston Churchill never stole anyone's mobile phone
I am making a personal apology for last week describing the PM as looking tired and emotional and saying he’s not drinking.
News 101: Sky TV host says something offensive about your candidate. Hardly anyone sees it live, it receives very little press.
Sky TV host repeats something offensive about your candidate attached to an apology. Hardly anyone sees it live, but it goes viral on Twitter and receives plenty of press as a result.
Win!
I certainly hadn't heard or seen reported Boulton's original comments.
(Whoever leaked it is an ass, however.)
(Whoever leaked it is an ass, however.)
Leaked what? (Sorry, I'm a bit slow today.)
Has someone leaked the inquiry into Russian meddling?
Russians leaked it just to **** with us
NB no idea what CF is on about
From the Anti Defamation League no less:
The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention. Since 2017, many people have been falsely accused of being racist or white supremacist for using the “okay” gesture in its traditional and innocuous sense.
Other, similar-seeming hand gestures have also been mistakenly assumed to have white supremacist connotations as a result of the “okay” hoax. One of these is the so-called “Circle Game,” in which people attempt to trick each other into looking at an okay-like hand gesture made somewhere below the waist.
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture
The key here is context. Beyond seeing that person we know nothing about doing it what context do we have that allows us to say he is undoubtedly trolling or signalling white supremacist intent?
Ed, that's a particularly nasty side you are beginning to show.
NB no idea what CF is on about
I'm more worried by the fact that he's on the phone chatting bantering to Zuul the Gatekeeper.
But then again, it's hardly a revelation that the majority of Corbyn's MPs can't stand him. Even the idea that Corbyn is going down like a cup of cold sick outside metropolitan areas is not entirely surprising.
Beaten to it.
Tories will make huge capital out of this.
She is just another trained politician in the art of not actually answering any questions and not particularly likable.
Trained politician? You're having a laugh aren't you? People will warm to her precisely because she isn't an oxbridge trained politician, and a real person who can relate to normal people. She's also very straight talking, which people will also appreciate. All she requires is to be a little less abrasive.
before it hopefully see’s some sense and limps back to the centre ground and tries to restore some credibility
You mean go crawling back to the likes of Murdoch and the other billionaire press barons and beg their forgiveness? The day that happens is the day the labour party becomes a pointless non-entity.
Party leaders don't need to be likeable; they need to be credible - relatable would be a bonus.
Greg Barker/ Baker a tory activist is the leaker.
The day that happens is the day the labour party becomes a pointless non-entity.
Hey Daz.... I hate to break it to you, but...erm.... the labour party is presently a completely pointless non-entity. Just ask anyone at Tory HQ who've never had it easier. They don't even have to try. Jezza does their job for them.
Unless, of course, 'the point' is waving placards outside the common room, retweeting stuff from the Canary and signing internet petitions while wallowing in your own sanctimonious piousness. They're good at that. World-beaters.
The labour party will have to return to something resembling the real world at some point, just like it did in 97 under Blair. Though you and the rest of the sixth formers clearly want to see another decade+ of completely unopposed tory rule before thats allowed to happen. Hey it'll be the 80's all over again, seeing as it was so ****ing great last time around
Ed, that’s a particularly nasty side you are beginning to show.
When the same person is reguarly sexist, thinks it's OK to use the circle gesture and the JD expression it's not nasty to point it out.
The member in question has been around for only 4 weeks, until there is any eveidence to the contrary I'll take his stories with a pinch of salt, object to his sexism and argue against the use of JD and the circle symbol being "innocent" on 10/12/2019.
The key here is indeed context. The context of the QT interview was one of racists being racist. The context of this forum is one of an Internet in which alt-right trolls and bots are doing their utmost to influence an election result. If you think STW is immune, think again.
Hey Daz…. I hate to break it to you, but…erm…. the labour party is presently a completely pointless non-entity”Unless ‘the point’ is waving placards outside the common room and signing internet petitions
In your extemely distorted world view.
To others it's very much going in the correct direction.
Haven't seen Rory recently - Wasn't he your conduit of confused Brexitality statesmenship?
Or Chuka - you liked him, he's a big hit with his broken centrist compass.
The labour party will have to return to something resembling the real world at some point, just like it did in 97 under Blair.
Err no. Not to suite you it won't.
You can vote libdem.
Morning comrade
