I agree that it's not a party political issue per se...
all major parties have failed the countries kids on both a local and national level.
That several MPs and councillors have been involved in abuse themselves further erodes confidence in the current system.
Of course, some positive change is being implemented, but there is still a culture of cover-up as the shambles surrounding the national inquiry has shown.
Despite being sourced from New Zealand, even the latest head of the inquiry is fairly cosy with the establishment... the father of her 1st daughter is well acquainted with Camilla.
And I bet they both know Kevin Bacon
Porky dudes aside, did you know that like Canada and Australia, the ultimate authority over New Zealand is the Queen?
That means all judges must take an oath to the Queen.
You may think it's just a ceremonial title, but as the[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence ] MI6/CIA coup of Gough Whitlam's government[/url] in Australia shows, there is much power at work beyond the reach of democracy...
Though I guess the [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-family-granted-new-right-of-secrecy-2179148.html ]Royal Family's unique secrecy laws[/url] already prove that
As an aside Cameron is one of 6 Oxfordshire MPs (mostly Tory with 1 Labour). The council is Labour controlled. Its not a party political issue IMO.
my understanding: Oxford City Council is Labour controlled. But Oxford County Council - the Authority which is criticised in the serious case review is in effect Conservative controlled, supported by 3 independents.
No party politics involved? - just a coincidence that David Cameron trumps Labour's Yvette Cooper's proposals last week with a summit on the day this much delayed report is published?
@antigee - yes of course it's the county council which would run children's services.
Certainly very very troubling
Listening to the commentary on Radio 4 yesterday it seems the powers that be have decided to come out strongly and say that it has to be acknowledged that theres a racial element to this, with males from one particular ethnic group being disproportionately over-represented in abuse cases.
While this is certainly true. I think the focus on this 'misplaced political correctness' while certainly a factor, is being shoved to the forefront, while the other issues - biblical scale incompetence, shameful complacency, and a total, wilful indifference to the suffering of children who were considered an inconvenience - is being handily glossed over
And if thats the case then nothing is going to change. Apart from maybe some added racial tension.
Its thoroughly depressing in its cynicism!
The Times seem to be saying Dave and Nick dont take it seriously
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And all the while the Beeb are still making the reference 'predominantly Asian'...
Have any of the paedos in Rotherham even been charged yet?!
5 were [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11696508 ]convicted[/url] a few years ago. A few more were tried and found not guilty. The phrase 'tip of the iceberg' springs immediately to mind. A lot more would be behind bars if anyone in the police, or council had shown even the vaguest interest in the horrors that were occurring right underneath their noses.
That's cox one of the guys convicted wasn't Asian patriot
Agreed totally binners. I am truly appalled at this. It's desperately sad and depressing it could have gone on for so long and on such a scale.
I find it interesting that a protection service department didn't do their jobs properly and said they would be accused of racism. Blame an ethnic group. Hey it works!
Since when is being accused of being a pedofile racist Mr Protection Officer?
Considering this is happening by white people all over the U.K. for decades but never hits the news unless it's a celeb.
It's desperately sad and depressing it could have gone on for so long and on such a scale.
Like best part of two decades even...
That's cox one of the guys convicted wasn't Asian patriot
It was more the 'Asian' tag I was shaking my head at...At least they narrow it down to 'Eastern' European when referring to certain issues.
A fair few nationalities in Asia last time I looked.
Whilst I'm not in favour of the mass cut and paste this makes interesting and depressign reading;
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IPCC to investigate allegations of historic corruption relating to child sexual abuse in the Metropolitan Police[/b]
[i]1) Allegation of a potential cover up around failures to properly investigate child sex abuse offences in South London and further information about criminal allegations against a politician being dropped.
2) Allegation that an investigation involving a proactive operation targeting young men in Dolphin Square, was stopped because officers were too near prominent people.
3) Allegation that a document was found at an address of a paedophile that originated from the Houses of Parliament listing a number of highly prominent individuals (MPs and senior police officers) as being involved in a paedophile ring and no further action was taken.
4) Allegation that an account provided by an abuse victim had been altered to omit the name of a senior politician.
5) Allegation that an investigation into a paedophile ring, in which a number of people were convicted, did not take action in relation to other more prominent individuals
6) Allegations that a politician had spoken with a senior MPS officer and demanded no action was taken regarding a paedophile ring and boys being procured and supplied to prominent persons in Westminster in the 1970s.
7) Allegation that in the late 1970s a surveillance operation that gathered intelligence on a politician being involved in paedophile activities was closed down by a senior MPS officer.
8 ) Allegation that a dossier of allegations against senior figures and politicians involved in child abuse were taken by Special Branch officers.
9) Allegations that a surveillance operation of a child abuse ring was subsequently shut down due to high profile people being involved.
10) Allegations of child sex abuse against a senior politician and a subsequent cover-up of his crimes.
11) Allegations that during a sexual abuse investigation a senior officer instructed the investigation be halted and that that order had come from ‘up high’ in the MPS.
12) Allegation of a conspiracy within the MPS to prevent the prosecution of a politician suspected of offences.
13) Allegations against a former senior MPS officer regarding child sex abuse and that further members of the establishment including judges were involved. It is claimed that no further action was taken.
14) Allegation that police officers sexually abused a boy and carried out surveillance on him. Further allegations of financial corruption in a London borough police force.
A further two referrals of a similar nature have been received from the MPS and are currently being assessed.[/i]
[url= https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/ipcc-investigate-allegations-historic-corruption-relating-child-sexual-abuse-metropolitan ]https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/ipcc-investigate-allegations-historic-corruption-relating-child-sexual-abuse-metropolitan[/url]
Something is truly rotten here.
The point Jivehoneyjive made a few weeks back about Vaz is valid - I for one, do not think that is entirely the construct of conspiracy theorists and is but one example of positions of power contributing to, or facilitating abuses.
Clearly now the IPCC has seen enough to want to conduct its won investigation into how the Met fits into this, but there seems little doubt there were many factors at play.
I feel there is a huge degree of blame to be laid at the PC brigade who for so long (and this was clear from the Rotherham cases) resisted any common sense, racially-based profiling of offenders.
In a similar way, it appears that in the Oxford educational establishment, university staff were able to conduct a campaign of abuse against students because they had politically correct friends in high places.
"Oxford and Cherwell Valley College Head Sally Dicketts and Thames Valley Police Chief Constable Sara Thornton are both connected with the Women’s Leadership Network and political charity Common Purpose."
Let's hope that this investigation is thorough and throws light into some dark corners.
There are so many fragments of the problem showing up, it does seem to build a very worrying picture: http://news.sky.com/story/1442551/was-man-murdered-for-exposing-paedophile-ring
[url= http://news.sky.com/story/1442556/lambeth-council-abuse-key-findings ]Lambeth[/url](which is also alleged to include an Minister from Tony Blair's Cabinet):
Details of an internal investigation documenting allegations of sexual assaults and abuse carried out by officers within Lambeth council in the 1990s have been revealed. They include::: There were two sites on Lambeth council property used to carry out sexual assaults. They were used for this purpose "on many occasions over the years".
:: Two private removal firms were "frequently" on site, and were believed to have removed evidence of equipment used during sexual assaults, and washed the area down. One firm had keys to all internal lockers, including a cabinet where evidence in a criminal case was kept and later went missing.
:: Items handed to police following the rape of a female member of staff by a colleague on council premises included a semen-stained blanket, soiled tissues, cassettes and a penknife.
Bulic Forsythe who worked at Lambeth Council and was murdered allegedly before blowing the whistle on abuse thereBulic Forsythe's family have long believed he was murdered
:: Bulic Forsythe, a manager in the housing department, told colleagues he was going to "spill the beans" after a visit to one of these sites.
He clashed with an individual who held a senior position and is named in the report as the head of the ring involved in abuse, and then moved from the housing department to social services.
Whilst in social services Bulic told another colleague he believed the individual in housing could still 'get to him'. After his death in 1993, colleagues reported that a report he had compiled went missing from his office.
:: Three male employees, including one in a senior position, were suspended from their jobs in the housing department as a result of the internal investigation.
Despite the findings of rape and sexual assault, and possessing indecent images of children, they were suspended on grounds of a 'breach of the council's equal opportunities policy'.
:: The report recommends a criminal investigation into the allegations of rape, child rape and images of abuse. The Metropolitan Police has confirmed no investigation was ever undertaken at the time.
gives more credence to this:
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As the owner of several North Wales Care Homes, [url= http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/westminister-paedophile-ring-care-home-paedophile-linked-politicians-abuse-parties-1477339 ]John Allen (also involved in trafficking kids to Dolphin Square)[/url]
is linked to
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-notorious-paedophiles-centre-nationwide-4727494 ] Michael Carroll, who ran carehomes in Lambeth[/url]
That is before you factor in allegations of kids being trafficked to and from Northern Ireland via the same networks
It now appears that the VIP paedophile network surrounding Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square is not only linked to North Wales care homes, but also to Kincora in Northern Ireland, which is also well known for involvement of the security services...
(from this thread, with the usual doubters: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-the-bbc-news-now/page/3)
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/david-icke-at-wembley-last-saturday/page/2 ]and yep, in addition to Leon Brittan, I also mentioned Lambeth several months ago[/url]
Haters gonna hate...
I feel there is a huge degree of blame to be laid at the PC brigade
That damn PC Brigade, going around abusing children, and then not reporting those responsible. All those non-white politicians and coppers - every single one of them got away with it because of the PC Brigade. They want hanging, if only we knew who they were.
Clearly you are lazy as well as hard of thinking.deadlydarcy - Member
That damn PC Brigade, going around abusing children, and then not reporting those responsible. All those non-white politicians and coppers - every single one of them got away with it because of the PC Brigade. They want hanging, if only we knew who they were
It is emphatically not a non-white only problem. Not sure where you gleaned that (mistaken) nugget from, but it was neither explicit not implied.
If you want to know who 'they' may be, you only need read the last paragraph of the article linked in the post.
I'll leave it here again, so you can get an adult to read it to you:> http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/accusations-student-abuse-and-child-pornography-cover-oxford-cherwell-valley-college
Clearly you are lazy as well as hard of thinking.
Oh, getting the big guns out early. That hurts bad, man. 🙁
Btw, I can't see how anything involving senior politicians or police officers could be the fault of the PC Brigade. Nor do I know of anybody in the PC Brigade who's been doing all this abusing.
Finally, I tend not to read links when added by anybody who wants to blame the PC Brigade for abuses carried out anywhere. So, I'll have to take your word for it on that one.
Who are the PC brigade ?
Afraid I'm fairly short of patience for sixth-form common room debating techniques.deadlydarcy - Member
Clearly you are lazy as well as hard of thinking.Oh, getting the big guns out early.
I suspected you didn't even bother with the link. thanks for confirming.
Cheekyboy, ditto.
Here's another, highly relevant piece for you both to ignore: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02m37ld
This one is a video so requires no reading, just comprehension.
As I said, I don't click on stuff posted by folk who rant on about the "PC Brigade". If you have anything worth reading to write, I'll give it a shot. So far, you're conforming to the stereotype though...do you feel the weight of the Brigade stopping you saying the things that are the truth but for us handwringing liberals stifling you? You are really hurting me with those insults though...please stop. 🙁
It's a shame this is such a divisive issue: I'm sure deep down, everyone agrees that exploitation and abuse is abhorrent, no matter who does it, be they ****stani taxi drivers, policemen, or members of the council.
However, when you have people in positions of power, with a duty of care, be they care home staff, policemen, judges, MPs, high ranking military officers and the intelligence services, who themselves are actively involved, you have to question the entire system which has allowed this to happen.
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Not forgetting of course:
as Party members, many MPs have had involvement in local councils, many of which likely have child abuse scandals of their own...
This is a watershed moment~ we will be able to see just how seriously those in power take exposing such horrendous exploitation...
Including the current Home Secretary Theresa May:
“She is neatly ignoring the fact that the Northern Ireland Assembly unanimously supports the inclusion of Kincora in the Westminster inquiry, [url= http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/amnesty-northern-ireland-director-theresa-8831128 ]because it knows that the local inquiry has no powers to compel evidence from MI5 and the Ministry of Defence[/url] and that it does not have the confidence of victims or potentially crucial witnesses.“Kincora should be investigated alongside claims of establishment involvement in child abuse rings in other parts of the UK.
“With new allegations emerging of links between Kincora and paedophile rings elsewhere in the UK, the case for inclusion has never been stronger.
“Kincora’s child abuse victims were badly let down in the 70s.
“Sadly, they are being failed again now by this government.”
The names being bandied around are indeed members of the political elite, much like Elm Guest House and Kincora, which both have several accounts of being used by the intelligence services for filming and blackmail purposes (a control mechanism if you will).
There are several allegations implicating Lord Mountbatten in abuse at Kincora.
Lord Mountbatten introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royal Family in the 60s and they were close from that time until his death in 2011.
Afraid I'm fairly short of patience for sixth-form common room debating techniques.I suspected you didn't even bother with the link. thanks for confirming.
Cheekyboy, ditto.
Well Digga I am not a hand wringing liberal, far from it.
I do think that when expressions like PC Brigade are used the person using them is conforming to a stereotype that appears to be overtly aggressive rather than challenging from a more intellectual level.
[url= http://nyenquirer.uk/mi5-special-branch-prominent-paedophiles-cover-peter-jaconelli/ ]Conspiracy fact eh...[/url]
MI5 does not have powers to arrest or execute a search warrant.
Therefore, the Operations Branch of Special Branch as well as developing intelligence and conducting its own investigations, acted as the executive arm of MI5, making the arrests and conducting searches, as directed by MI5.This was particularly emphasized in the county forces Special Branch units, because in those days MI5 had no presence outside London.
Hence the involvement of Special Branch in protecting Cyril Smith from arrest in Rochdale, detailed above which was certainly at the direction of MI5.
In London Special Branch (SO12) had responsibility for, amongst other things, personal protection of (non-royal) VIPs and performing the role of examining officer at designated ports and airports.
The investigative wing of the Special Branch known as X squad became the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch (SO13) in 1972.
In the Metropolitan Police (which had national responsibilities at the time) it was grouped under the Assistant Commissioner Security, along with the Palace of Westminster Division SO17 (now CO7) (responsible for security of MPs), the Special Branch protection officers (now Specialist Protection Branch SO1) responsible for providing specialist protection (for the current and former Prime Ministers, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Secretary of State for Defence and others) and the Royalty Protection Branch SO14.
All of these squads liaised closely.
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Like good ol' H . G . Wells used to say "An open conspiracy"
Interesting .... since "child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite", how will the political and religious elite maintain control?
The Queen must be very worried indeed.
Their chances are slim while I'm on the case 😀
related to your investigations jhj?
judges sacked for watching porn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31920906
Thanks for that kimbers, there is much to suggest that if justice is done, there will be many similar exposures of high level members of the judiciary in due course.
Also thanks to wwaswas for bringing the IPCC investigations to our attention~ what concerns me about that is:
a) IPCC don't have powers to compel testimony
b) IPCC don't have a remit to investigate the Home Office, who are pulling the strings on Police forces across the country
These investigations invariably refer back to historic cover up, but as the redrafting of Fiona Woolf's letters to play down her relationship with Leon Brittan has shown, cover up methods are still being used and not only by the Home Office...
Bearing in mind the hefty significance of the Official Secrets Act in preventing disclosure by whistleblowers:
[url= https://twitter.com/JohnMannMP/status/577745427816132608 ]Why did MPs down vote John Mann's amendment[/url] which will [url= http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2014-2015/0116/amend/seriouscrimeaddednames.pdf ]allow those who have signed the Official Secrets Act to provide evidence without fear of prosecution[/url]
Does the IPCC have a record on successful convictions from cases involving the establishment?
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Complaints_Commission#Parliamentary_Inquiry_2012 ]Going by the verdict of the Home Affairs Select Committee inquiry[/url], it doesn't appear they're that effective:
woefully underequipped and hamstrung in achieving its original objectives. It has neither the powers nor the resources that it needs to get to the truth when the integrity of the police is in doubt.
Also just found a bit more info on John Mann's recent amendment allowing disclosure under the Official Secrets Act:
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cheekyboy - MemberWell Digga I am not a hand wringing liberal, far from it.
I do think that when expressions like PC Brigade are used the person using them is conforming to a stereotype that appears to be overtly aggressive rather than challenging from a more intellectual level.
I'm not hugely exercised by people's political leanings and, in fact, to say there is even the possibility of a definitive "right answer" in the polling booth is as overly-optimistic as it is simplistically wrong.
However, when there have been forces at work to extinguish free expression and discussion, which have also facilitated misleading of the public and perhaps allowed crimes to go undetected and unpunished, then I think most of us would agree [i]something[/i] is wrong.
When the former chairman of the Equality and Right Commission suggests the debate about race has been stifled, something is clearly wrong. When we see what has happened in the OP - Rotherham - and now join the dots elsewhere, not only to other ****stani Muslim gangs, but also to the broader cases of establishment figures, people in the education system, politicians, police, being complicit in abuse of vulnerable children and adults, you cannot fail to say 'something' very big has gone badly wrong.
I'm not hugely exercised by people's political leanings and, in fact, to say there is even the possibility of a definitive "right answer" in the polling booth is as overly-optimistic as it is simplistically wrong.However, when there have been forces at work to extinguish free expression and discussion, which have also facilitated misleading of the public and perhaps allowed crimes to go undetected and unpunished, then I think most of us would agree something is wrong.
When the former chairman of the Equality and Right Commission suggests the debate about race has been stifled, something is clearly wrong. When we see what has happened in the OP - Rotherham - and now join the dots elsewhere, not only to other ****stani Muslim gangs, but also to the broader cases of establishment figures, people in the education system, politicians, police, being complicit in abuse of vulnerable children and adults, you cannot fail to say 'something' very big has gone badly wrong.
I totally agree with you, but the arguments against must be made more eloquently, otherwise the hand wringers will win by belittling your points by your choice of words/expressions.
Why do you think Guardian readers always look so smug 😉
One for the Guardian readers: [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/18/cyril-smith-36-year-cover-up-child-abuse-conspired-fail-victims?CMP=share_btn_tw ]Our Cyril Smith story came out in 1979. What followed was a 36-year cover-up [/url]
We also wrote to the then leader of the Liberal party, David Steel, for his comments. We quoted the response of the Liberal party press office, dated 22 April 1979, in our newspaper: “It is not a very friendly gesture, publishing that, all he seems to have done is spanked a few bare bottoms.” So, Steel chose to look the other way, and within a decade was recommending Smith for a knighthood. Fleet Street looked away at the time too. There was not a national paper newsdesk that did not have a copy of our well-sourced article. Smith threatened and blustered, and they all backed off.
And one for those who prefer the Daily Mail: [url= http://www.****/debate/article-2999894/Why-fear-monstrous-sex-abuse-cover-FAR-worse-know-SIMON-DANCZUK-MP-exposed-Cyril-Smith-scandal.html ]Why I fear this monstrous sex abuse cover-up is FAR worse than we know...[/url]
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We quoted the response of the Liberal party press office, dated 22 April 1979, in our newspaper: “It is not a very friendly gesture, publishing that, all he seems to have done is spanked a few bare bottoms.”
A bit misleading, it reads to me as though that sentence is a quote from a written response. In fact it's just what someone said someone else said.
There is also to be an [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-31961706 ]IPCC case looking into repeated shelving of investigations into Labour Peer Greville Janner[/url]
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/20/suspects-should-stay-anonymous-until-charged-mps-say ]Is it pure coincidence that Keith Vaz has just suggested suspects should remain anonymous until charged?[/url]
Food for thought from previous page in this thread:
Keith Vaz's past does call into question his suitability to chair the Home Affairs Select Committee:~He was a solicitor on Richmond council at the time children were being trafficked from Grafton Close care home to Elm Guest House
~He was also a solicitor on Islington council at the time children were being trafficked from care homes to various locations, including Jersey and thus Haut de la Garenne, 'The Jersey House of Horrors'. The scandal hangs over Margaret Hodge to this day
~He proposed a new law to protect his friend Greville Janner, who mysteriously came down with dementia just as police started investigating allegations he had abused children in care homes
~Of course the fact that he attended a Tamil conference with Jimmy Savile is more than likely coincidental
but the fact that he shared a close friend with Savile, Stephen Purdew,
who helped arrange Savile's funeral is a touch more worrying
~Also a bit odd that a police investigation that revealed he'd allegedly received mysterious funds to the tune of £500,000
Of course, all of this could be nothing, but you'd imagine Keith would take the time to disclose these matters and dispel any concerns especially after the Home Affairs Select Committee accidentally published the details of some of the victims, resulting in death threats
I don't think its coincidence he has said that
It's a quite clear response to the shocking behaviour by the police and BBC in the Cliff Richard case, which (regardless of anything to do with guest houses) was clearly a fishing expedition of the highest order
That's a meaty can of worms in it's own right, once again involving Keith Vaz, apparently contradicting his latest statements:
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/02/bbc-cliff-richard-police-keith-vaz ]BBC acted perfectly properly with Police over Cliff Richard says Keith Vaz[/url]
And in defence of Vaz, it does appear to have aided the investigation:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31630793 ]A historical sex offence inquiry into singer Sir Cliff Richard has "increased significantly in size" and involves "more than one allegation", police say.[/url]
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sir-cliff-richards-legal-team-complain-of-causing-the-singer-extremely-damaging-media-coverage-10076449.html ]Though it appears Cliff Richard's Lawyers weren't impressed with Vaz[/url]
It seems as usual, there is more to all this than meets the eye, especially given the other points already raised about Vaz, in particular:
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/29/child-sex-abuse-victims-emails-commons-committee ]
The Home Affairs Select Committee accidentally published the details of some of the victims, resulting in death threats [/url]
Is it pure coincidence that Keith Vaz has just suggested suspects should remain anonymous until charged?
I don't click on your seemingly endless multitude of links JHJ, but if they do indeed provide compelling evidence of an extraordinary all-embracing establishment paedophile conspiracy, which according to you is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite and leads directly to the monarch, as you obviously believe they do, then Keith Vaz might as well stop wasting his time and give up, as the whole conspiracy has clearly been blown apart by an never-ending multitude of easy to access internet links.
Suspects remaining anonymous obviously isn't going to save this doomed conspiracy.
Wow, I think you might be onto something ernie!!
More news from today:
[url= http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/20/uk-pope-abuse-cardinal-idUKKBN0MG20V20150320 ]Pope accepts disgraced Cardinal O'Brien's resignation from public role[/url]
Hmm, where have I heard that name before?
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-cardinal-keith-obrien-1731376 ]Jimmy Savile and the Cardinal[/url]
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You should click, read and occasionally learn, some are dubious others genuinely interesting.
I personally don't think there's an organised structure but do believe people who seek power over other people are inherently dodgy and even more so once they actually get power.
Religion, any religion is a perfect example.
You should click, read and occasionally learn....
I keep up with current affairs fairly well without any need to click on JHJ's links.
I personally don't think there's an organised structure....
Well the claim that there's an organised structure is pretty central to JHJ's entire argument. If you're unconvinced perhaps read more links?
I keep up with current affairs fairly well without any need to click on JHJ's links.
Are you up to date with random pictures of people who once, perfectly reasonably given their positions, might have met? You know, the sort of picture that's proof of something. Y'know, real PROOF.
See what I mean?
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A duck. He's stroking a duck, FFS! WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
Hmm, Sweet AND Sour...
Anyhoo, inbreeding aside, I'm still not convinced by the webbed feet argument as regards the Royals, but Charles and Savile were a fair bit closer than Charles and the Duck
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/nov/07/jimmy-savile-party-prince-charles ]Prince Charles enlisted Jimmy Savile as a royal party organiser and asked him to invite guests to Kensington Palace on his behalf, it has emerged.[/url]
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile#During_his_lifetime ]Former Royal Family press secretary Dickie Arbiter said Savile's behaviour had raised "concern and suspicion" when Savile acted as an informal marriage counsellor between Prince Charles and Princess Diana in the late 1980s, although no reports had been made.[/url]
Of course, I've already mentioned that apparently the Royals were introduced to Savile by Charles' mentor, Louis Mountbatten in the 1960s...
[url= http://www.****/home/event/article-2687779/Jimmy-Savile-book-reviewed-Craig-Brown-The-man-groomed-Britain.html ]It emerges that Savile’s entrée to the Royal Family came via his strange friendship with Lord Mountbatten; by chance, only this week, a letter was discovered in which the young King Edward VIII wrote, ‘I’ve appointed Dickie Mountbatten my “procurer” of partners and only take on a “young woman” that he has vetted.’[/url]
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I've already mentioned that allegations state
I allege this;
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So, my [b]allegation [/b]states that you have no penis. Does that make it a fact?
Makes you think, doesn't it?
Ah, what's the point. You have no interest in hearing any opinion that differs from yours, no interest in learning any facts, no interest in listening to some of the very clever (and, I should add from a very socio-politically balanced background) posters on this thread.
You're just trolling. And making yourself look silly. Then again, if you're happy, that's great. Keeps you off the streets, I suppose.
No, your allegation states that Mike Myers won't be partying on with babes, dude.
I've edited my post so as to give a bit more background.
Anyhoo, must dash
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I've already mentioned that apparently....
I've already mentioned that [i]apparently [/i]you have no penis.
Does that make it a fact? (Note - This last bit is what is called a "question". You should try answering one once in a while. )
Of course, I've already mentioned that apparently the Royals were introduced to Savile by Charles' mentor, Louis Mountbatten in the 1960s...
You did indeed, you said:
Lord Mountbatten introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royal Family in the 60s and they were close from that time until his death in 2011.
Have your internet wanderings led to you any further information about Lord Mountbatten? Like when he died, for example?
Oh, it's hard fact...
and as for the Mountbatten link:
It's as factual as the majority of information presented by news sources...
Lord Mountbatten introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royal Family in the 60s and they were close from that time until his death in 2011.Have your internet wanderings led to you any further information about Lord Mountbatten? Like when he died, for example?
Yep, 1979... apparently involving the IRA, there were 2 young boys on the boat with him at the time.
Kincora has been linked to the intelligence services and the IRA as has Elm Guest House.
Mountbatten is said to have been involved in the network surrounding Kincora~ certainly possible given his links to the intelligence services.
Thought you had to dash?
Of course, you overlook not only the fact that one of those "young boys" was his grandson, but also the identity and relationships of the others on the boat at the time, because they don't fit your narrative.
Or, were they all a part of the conspiracy as well?
Apparently.....said to be.....linked to.....allegedly....
You see? The problem is the way you latch on to any possibility, ignoring any facts. That way, any element where you and your ilk could well be correct is lost under your insane interwebular noodlings.
Read this again flash:
Yep, 1979... apparently involving the IRA, there were 2 young boys on the boat with him at the time.Kincora has been linked to the intelligence services and the IRA as has Elm Guest House.
Mountbatten is said to have been involved in the network surrounding Kincora~ certainly possible given his links to the intelligence services.
I haven't latched on to anything outlandish: I haven't made any suggestions about the boys, I just mentioned they were on the boat.
The rest however is reasonable deduction... you can poo poo it all you like, but time and again I've been on the money, from Leon Brittan, to Lambeth, to MI5 involvement in protecting paedophiles...
Your point was quite obvious.
there were 2 young boys on the boat with him at the time.
Why not mention the others if you weren't insinuating something about the "young boys"? Why mention that they were "young boys" at all? Of course, unless you were implying he was, y'know, one of THEM. But then, he was a lizard, so he must be.
So, are you going to dash now?
There were 2 young boys killed on the boat with him...
take from that what you will.
There were 2 young boys killed on the boat with him...
take from that what you will.
One of them a family member, and the other a member of the boat crew.
All I can take from the fact that you mentioned it, is that you believe "mud sticks" so you throw it every tiny chance you get.
And you will grasp at anything that reinforces your ideas.
An 83 year old woman died as a result of injuries obtained on the boat with them....
Take from that what you will.
Go on. Make your accusation. What have you got to lose.
What accusation?
That Mountbatten was involved with the intelligence services and the intelligence services were(are?) involved with the procurement and trafficking of children from care homes to serve the perversions of members of the elite...
It's worrying to think that such things have happened, even more so as someone must have devised and authorized such schemes... If Mountbatten was in on it, just how high did it go?
If Mountbatten was in on it,
IF? IF?
But, he had "two young boys" on his boat. So, by your [i]logic[/i], there's no "if" about it.
Was he a paedophile? (Note, that's another question. One to which there are only two possible answers, being "yes" or "no". So, how about answering it?)
Maybe...
Pointless berk.
Bored of your trolling now. Unlike you, when I say I've got to dash, I have.
Was Lord Mountbatten linked to Northern Ireland and the intelligence agencies, Yes or No?
Interesting timing...
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-family-member-was-investigated-as-part-of-paedophile-ring-before-coverup-excop-says-10126864.html ]Royal Family member was investigated as part of paedophile ring before cover up[/url]
We'll have to see how this progresses
Good find fourbanger... there is a full breakdown of how MPs voted [url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5530/how-mps-voted-on-move-to-change-official-secrets-act-over-csa#.VQ4Nutra8qE.twitter ]here[/url]
What is especially noteworthy is that the Home Secretary, Theresa May voted against the amendment allowing whistle-blowers to disclose to the child abuse inquiry without fear of prosecution under the Official Secrets Act, despite repeatedly saying that she 'hopes' whistle-blowers will not be prosecuted.
Former Childrens Minister Tim Loughton also voted against, possibly in relation to [url= http://www.newsweek.com/2015/03/13/britains-missing-children-310701.html ]this[/url]
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32086251 ]Paedogeddon continues[/url]:
The three new referrals to the IPCC are:An allegation that a child abuse investigation in central London gathered evidence against MPs, judges, media entertainers, police, actors, clergy and others. The file was submitted to start proceedings against those identified and, it is alleged, two months later an officer was called in by a senior Met officer and told to drop the case
Two allegations about police actions during a child abuse investigation in the 1980s. Further details of these have not been given
The IPCC is also assessing a further six referrals it has received from the Met Police relating to "similar matters".
[url= http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-26/ipcc-100-allegations-against-42-police-over-rotherham/ ]Further IPCC investigations are pursuing over 100 allegations against 42 police officers in Rotherham[/url]
Additionally, [url= http://www.channel4.com/news/vip-paedophile-ring-westminster-abuse-elm-guest-dolphin ]Channel 4 news tonight will have further allegations linking Kincora to both Dolphin Square and Elm Guest House[/url]:
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Worth bearing in mind [url= http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/intelligence-officer-sorry-for-failing-to-pursue-kincora-victims-case-31122595.html ]a military intelligence officer had tried to expose the paedophile rings used by MI5 for blackmail[/url]:
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Further IPCC investigations are pursuing over 100 allegations against 42 police officers in Rotherham
What are the Independent Police Complaints Commission doing investigating 42 police officers, I thought this was supposed to be an establishment conspricy ?
Isn't the Queen in on it, can't she stop the Independent Police Complaints Commission investigating ? Surely the IPCC take their instructions from the Queen, don't they swear an oath to her or something ?
She is still fuming from her courts agreeing that her sons letters to her government ministers should be published even though her governments top legal person said no after her courts said yes.
Given she runs it all quite why Charles did not just ask her I dont understand but I assume HRH and JHJ know the answer
Yet again JHJ revealing himself to be more interested in the who the abusers are.
Given the IPCC has minimal powers, it'll be interesting to see whether the inquiry just refers to their findings, or uses it's powers to investigate more thoroughly...
Tricky things these establishment conspiracies, they have so many mechanisms for wriggling, but public scrutiny does a damn fine job of pinning them down.
If it wasn't for brave survivors, journalists and investigators, we wouldn't be any the wiser.
Still some way to go, but solid progress being made at exposing the true scale of the operation.
And of course I'm interested in the roles of the abusers, as I've stated many times before, when the people who make the legislation and enforce the laws are themselves involved in abuse, the system is seriously flawed.
It's only through exposing these links that the problem can the thoroughly rooted out and future abuse prevented.
Of course, the fact that it also appears to tie into the arms industry and blackmail would potentially suggest that in addition to direct abuse of youngsters, there is also the larger issue of preventing injury, death and suffering as a result of the dark political aims of those controlling such paedophile rings.
Tricky things these establishment conspiracies
You're telling me. And bearing in mind that paedophilia is apparently 'vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite' I'm assuming that the existing social order is under threat, and we are in fact experiencing what could be the start of a new revolutionary situation, am I correct?
Will the future be lizard free ?
Do you think children from care homes being used by the intelligence services to blackmail influential figures in politics, the judiciary and the military is an acceptable practice?
Personally, I find it pretty disgusting~ a system which didn't rely on these methods would certainly be preferable.
[i]And of course I'm interested in the roles of the abusers, as I've stated many times before, when the people who make the legislation and enforce the laws are themselves involved in abuse, the system is seriously flawed.[/i]
logic fail.
But then you knew that.
Up the revolution, let us rise up to throw off our lizardy overloads!
Will the future be lizard free ?
Peados first!
Jeez, one thing at a time. So impatient some people.