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Going back to the riots in Bradford,this was done as a statement to say to the authorities to keep out of " our " areas.From that point police and politicians were scared to speak out about the criminality within the Asian parts of the city because of the fear of civil unrest.
The rest of the population could see this and that encourages resentment.
I've personally spoken to police officers who would turn a blind eye to motoring offences due to the " you've only stopped me because you're a racist" reply .
Luckily i moved away , together with my brother and many friends.
One of the parents in the Lancashire cases recalled being told by a senior police officer that they were afraid of starting a race riot if they arrested the perpetrators.
Interestingly, for anyone who doubts that police officers would be paranoid of racism allegations, this is a bit of a long read, but was done under parliamentary privilege earlier this year, telling the tale of some met police officers falsely accused of a racist attack (the polices own professional standards department even suppressed the evidence that cleared them)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm140319/halltext/140319h0001.htm
@binners, I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion with regard to class. IMO middle class kids would be less likely to be in a care home in the first place so would there be less likely to have been abused.
@barnsley, you are right in one regard that this sort of incident does play into the hands of the "right" and this is where the "left" does a great disservice to those it represents, where the political correctness backfires spectacularly. This is an example where the best way to fight racism is to do the right thing when these incidents arise as to ignore them creates a far bigger issue in the future.
@ninfan, It was worth reading that. Thank you.
'Political Correctness' is only needed because of actual racism. The police wouldn't have felt the need to pussyfoot around issues of race if it wasn't for the fact they are still institutionally racist. It's about people not doing their jobs properly - political correctness is just a convenient excuse.
jambalaya - I'm not disputing that middle class kids don't end up in care. What I'm saying is that the white working class (or underclass) have been demonised to such a degree - they're now the only legitimate target for vitriol that doesn't have an 'ism' at the end of it. So the 'chavs' are fair game for any manner of abuse
This is a direct result of a constant barrage of vitriolic bile spewed at them from politicians, the authorities and the media. And what we're seeing here is the end result. Some 'chav' girl - or 1400+ of them - are not considered important enough that the authorities would bother themselves stopping them being brutally gang-raped and trafficked. What the hell does that say about us as a society?
Mrs Binners has mentored young girls who've been the victim of exactly this type of abuse. These girls are troubled, violent and difficult - as you bloody would be if you'd been through what they've been through. And its left entirely to the charity sector to pick up the pieces, because the authorities don't want to know! They genuinely don't. They're just considered too much trouble.
And that is entirely down to the issue of class, and the nice middle class civic leaders not wanting to have to deal with the problems of the underclass. I'm sure the 'Head of Childrens Services' spent more of his time worring about the supply of sports equipment to tennis clubs in leafy suburbs than he did about these girls. That much seems pretty obvious. Hence even now his total lack of concern, or even acknowledgement. The attitude is endemic!
Its a shocking indictment of the society we live in. Make no mistake. These girls were abandoned to their fate. Seen as almost deserving of it! By a middle class that is trying to insulate itself from them!
binners +1
And you can regularly see the kind of attitudes that allow this to happen expressed on here.
@binners, consider the following viewpoint. Its primarily the working class who have let down their fellow citizens here (I classify police officers and social service professionals as working class but you may not). I don't see a link to the media or politicians, the reality is the rank and file people where afraid of being accused of being racist so they did nothing. By the time the issue got to "civic leaders" it was well and truley engrained and totally out of hand and it was here that the political correctness dial was a full volume.
I think these young people have been very badly let down, I don't see how someone who was at the center of the issue can be earning £85,000 from the state and remain in a position of influence.
I hope what comes out of this is a police investigation conducted by another force and a significant number of convictions.
(I classify police officers and social service professionals as working class but you may not).
Lol. Depends entirely on the rank and their background and depends what kinds of working class folk we are talking about, gainfully employed professionals eg builders or plumbers or proper unskilled jobs/the unemployed. Not many coppers like "chavs".
And you can regularly see the kind of attitudes that allow this to happen expressed on here.
Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner's post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/29/rotherham-pcc-ability-safeguard-children-questioned
PCC and co accused by former police officer of covering the situation up to protect their own reputations.
Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner's post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.
Plenty of chav hate on here.
I hope what comes out of this is a police investigation conducted by another force and a significant number of convictions.
And I'm sure that'll happen! Yeah... right! Absolutely no chance! Are you really that naive? Seriously?
There won't be a single conviction on the back of this. FFS!!!! There were 3 investigations into this already. All either suppressed or ignored! Because thats what suited them. And their interests trump the safety and welfare of those girls by some significant degree!
The people responsible don't even consider it a matter serious enough for them to resign from their cushy, well-paid jobs. Nobody will even be sacked! Well... maybe some poor sacrificial lamb lower down the food chain
And if you think otherwise, then you're living in cloud cuckoo-land
Have you somehow missed how the establishment in this country works?
And I'm sure that'll happen! Yeah... right! Absolutely no chance! There won't be a single conviction on the back of this. FFS!!!! There were 3 investigations already. All either suppressed or ignored! The people responsible don't even consider it a matter serious enough for them to resign from their cushy, well-paid jobs. Nobody will even be sacked! Well... maybe some poor sacrificial lamb lower down the food chainAnd if you think otherwise, then you're living in cloud cuckoo-land
Have you somehow how missed how the establishment in this country works?
Yup, it has somewhat less to do with actually caring about "racism" and much more to do with being corrupt, self serving cock wombles.
Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner's post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.
Plenty of posts on here denigrating chavs, pikeys, scum, pond-life, underclass etc etc - untermensch anyone?
Let's see, a pretty blond girl with middle class parents goes missing and there is a massive worldwide outcry and media hysteria. Meanwhile dozens of kids from less salubrious backgrounds go missing and no-one gives a shit.
Plenty of chav hate on here.
That's a charged statement, all right.
There's a world of difference between wanting the ASBO types who are supplementing their benefits with criminal activity to be helped / prosecuted accordingly, and thinking that it's perfectly acceptable for those people to be rounded up and systematically raped as soon as they hit puberty because they deserve it.
At least, I always thought there was. Maybe not in some people's eyes. Which, I guess, is the crux of the problem.
jambalaya - Member@grum, thanks understood now. To be fair any child abduction is a major news story.
Patently rubbish.
Sadly, too true. They are, to use the phrase that Nassim Nicholas Taleb coined "Antifragile"; as in heads they win and tails they win.binners - Member
The people responsible don't even consider it a matter serious enough for them to resign from their cushy, well-paid jobs. Nobody will even be sacked! Well... maybe some poor sacrificial lamb lower down the food chain
There are people, who exist in just about any and every public sector and or government (or quasi-government) organisation without any downside. The things you and I or the rest of the working world get sacked for, they can survive. It push comes to shove they get moved (to another cushy posting) or pensioned off early at great public expense.
It explains why twice disgraced, un-elected twisters like Mandelson get gifted lavish posts in the EU. Why so few expense fraud politicians were actually jailed. Why NHS bosses in places like Stafford have managed to keep jobs for so long. Why the various PCCs in scandals are sitting in their posts, resolute.
It also explains why these posts are so well remunerated - running on other people's money (OPM) is ultimate "Antifragility".
jambalaya - Member
@binners I would hope the Jimmy Saville investigations would give you some more faith in the possible responce...
I don't know about Binners, but I would have a bit more faith if the investigations into Jimmy Sovile happened while he was still alive and able to spill the beans....
Why the various PCCs in scandals are sitting in their posts, resolute.
I've noticed the government have raised the terror alert just now, which conveniently helps bump the story (along with the UKIP defector) off the front pages.
Patently rubbish.
@lifer I really cannot be bothered to post links to all the various news stories and images of hundreds of people searching for missing kids as a result of press coverage as you're not going to pay any attention to the facts.
To be fair any child abduction is a major news story.
Could be entirely coincidental, but strange how Clarence Mitchell has been involved with so many mysterious cases:
Fred & Rosemary West
Jill Dando
Milly Dowler
Madeline McCann
Oh, he's also been a Royal reporter
How odd
Given the numbers of kids that go missing each year, it really is bizarre...
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir ]This is worth reading[/url]
[i]Although painful to read, the Rotherham report presents an opportunity. It’s an opportunity for leaders in the British-****stani community to stand up and speak out about the sexual and physical abuse in their midst. The Asian community isn’t unique in having evil-doers, and the overwhelming majority of its men and women are good people who care about protecting others.
I am and always will be proud of my ****stani heritage, but I firmly believe community leaders must take responsibility for the fact that the taboos that prevent others from identifying perpetrators and supporting victims enable further abuse. And those taboos must be challenged.[/i]
This is worth reading
+1
+another. Read that earlier.
Did you read that, McShane?
I read that jambalaya. As I said in an earlier post ; We have a significant culture within British society that is horribly misogynistic, and regards all women as second class citizens. Inferior. Subservient. At best. It doesn't fit with modern liberal values at all, but it has been placated and indulged, through fear of offending people, for far too long. That now needs to stop.
And that's as much for the Asian victims, as anything else. I lived in a predominantly Asian area for a long time. And I was constantly appalled by the hypocrisy. The blokes would expect their wives to cover up, including veils, and adhere to 'Islamic values'. Yet the same embracing of these Islamic values, by themselves, was noticeable by it's absense. In just about every respect!
something worth reading here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11066244/Rotherham-is-not-an-isolated-incident.html
hard to disagree with anything in the article (I'm sure Tom will)
Well Simon Danczuk is bang on the money again and confirms Binners` theory !
That article pretty much sums it up
Superb article.
Wonder what effect the drive to have academic qualifications ahead of life experience has in these cases - qualified to the hilt but clueless about real life?
more from Rochdale's MP
will Labour have an inquiry, has Ed Miliband said anything "on the record" on this?
@big and daft, I read that too this morning. I too wonder what response (if any) there will be from the Labour leadership.
I think the silence from the labour party speaks volumes. Not heard Ken Livingstone come back on any of Anne Cryers comments about his attitude
But then in a party of metropolitan, PC obsessed idiots, wilfully blind to the obvious problems of 'multiculturalism' (preferring instead to believe in their own warm, fuzzy idealogical vision of it) he seems the worst of many offenders. Just look at the fundamentalist lunatics he's been an apologist for in the past!
Plenty of posts on here denigrating chavs, pikeys, scum, pond-life, underclass etc etc - untermensch anyone?Let's see, a pretty blond girl with middle class parents goes missing and there is a massive worldwide outcry and media hysteria. Meanwhile dozens of kids from less salubrious backgrounds go missing and no-one gives a shit.
In the similar case at Derby, a couple of years ago, several of the victims were from 'middle class' but troubled backgrounds. I remember one of the girls who had been abused had a pony.
Another point from Derby, in one of the spin-off cases a ring of white middle class businessmen were convicted for using child prostitutes.
It's not just ****stani problem
Seems coverups are still ongoing:
Chief Constable for South Yorks got an absolute monstering at the Parliamentary Home Affairs Committee this afternoon!
Firstly over the Cliff Richard raid and then the Rotherham report, they were fuming - directly accused him of gross incompetence!
They have also called him back in session next week, along with the PCC, Thacker and the professor who wrote the report.
The questioning is online here http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=15908
and then he resigns saying stress caused him to loose the plot,with a huge pension and somebody else is put in place,who is probably reading the script now.
Hmmm? curiouser and curiouser:
Ten Wrexham councillors, including council leader Neil Rogers, have quit the Labour group and the Labour Party...
...The resignations came a week after Mr Rogers removed Labour councillor Malcolm King as lead member for finance on the authority's executive board, for raising concerns about a child protection team's staff levels and case loads.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29043248
Could this be why?
http://brynalynvictims.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/andrea-davidson-speaks-out-north-wales.html
Would also tie in with recent cabinet reshuffle.
i.e. Hague and Clarke
binners - Member
I think the silence from the labour party speaks volumes. Not heard Ken Livingstone come back on any of Anne Cryers comments about his attitudeBut then in a party of metropolitan, PC obsessed idiots, wilfully blind to the obvious problems of 'multiculturalism' (preferring instead to believe in their own warm, fuzzy idealogical vision of it) he seems the worst of many offenders. Just look at the fundamentalist lunatics he's been an apologist for in the past
I know he is not many people's favourite - certaionly not mine - by Norman Tebbit's blog today sums-up the issue and the root of it extremely well.
jambalaya - Member@lifer I really cannot be bothered to post links to all the various news stories and images of hundreds of people searching for missing kids as a result of press coverage as you're not going to pay any attention to the facts.
I don't dispute it sometimes happens.
But 'any child abduction is a major story' is (unfortunately) simply not true, the papers would have nothing but reports of missing children.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/oct/04/child-abduction-statistics-england-wales ]532 children abducted in England and Wales 2011/12[/url]
FACT
^ Truth
New head of inquiry into widespread child abuse appointed by Theresa May today
Fiona Wolf, Lord Mayor of City of London (i.e. weird financial district which is independent of main jurisdiction of London, a bit like the vatican)
She is a Tax Lawyer
Most big money in global economy passes through City of London and Jersey
Jersey is worlds largest tax haven
http://fortune.com/2012/10/10/jersey-the-richest-offshore-tax-shelter-of-them-all/
The journalist who wrote that piece was detained at Heathrow for over 12 hours in 2011, under current Home Secretary (Theresa May) and had her visa revoked. Same happened again 5th of June this year (I know because I've been corresponding with her on twitter)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html
Trafficking is known to have occurred between several care homes across UK (notably Islington, where Margaret Hodge belittled victims) and Jersey, with a number of children going missing whilst on Jersey
The Issue has been raised on more than one occasion in parliament by MP John Hemming, who has records of Children going missing from the Birmingham care system whilst on Jersey.
Jimmy Savile has been named multiple times in relation to Jersey:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-19890534
Operation Rectangle was carried out in 2007-2008, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive and the Police Officer in Charge is adamant there's been a cover up:
Extreme abuse images were found in what has become known as the 'Zandvoort stash' in Belgium, the images appear to have been taken in Jersey.
[b]Are you really going to tolerate this?[/b]
Are you really going to tolerate this?
The problem is, they have the machine of government etc at their disposal.
People in power have done horrendous things since year dot.
It ain't going to change....or at least I cannot see what would have to occur for this to happen.
It's an awful thing to say, but vulnerable people have, are, and will continue to be the the playthings of certain echelons of society. As they know they are untouchable.
You're right to an extent Jamie, but if this information is shared widely enough, a tipping point will be reached... crazy as it sounds, this has sufficient gravity to effect the course of history, hence the constant manipulations by the establishment to attempt to keep it covered up.
(and hence my obsessive pursuit of exposing it)
Shows that much of our democracy is illusory; however, public pressure can change that...
Going by lowest common denominator, simplest way of expressing the cover up is
"Jimmy Savile was at Jersey House of Horrors"
should jog a few folks memory
Parliament TV now:
Vaz has just announced that all evidence will be under oath!
Chief Constable David Crompton QPM, and former Chief Constable Meredydd John Hughes CBE QPM, South Yorkshire Police
Joyce Thacker OBE, Strategic Director for Children, Young People and Families, Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council
Shaun Wright, South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner
Sir Peter Wanless and Richard Whittam QC
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=16005
he's also laid into the Chief constable for misleading the committee over last weeks statement on number of convictions.
Further stated that they have just interviewed in private the people who did the 'missing' 2002 home office report - that the evidence was shocking and harrowing and they find in incredible that the police claim not to have known.
It transpires the author of the 2002 report was threatened, by police, with having their name revealed to the abusers if they persisted in their claims. If this were going on in a banana republic it would be lamentable, but in the UK, it is abhorrent.
Apropos of the bigger question of what [i]might[/i] be behind such widespread convolutions of public bodies, try and Google the words "common purpose abuse" and have a look at the results.