So, not prepared to do your research, but quite prepared to belittle my contribution…

That’s because your contribution is always the same.

Someone is always “linked” to someone else (but no proof of anything)

There is always a picture of someone with someone else (but no proof of anything)

Basically loads of insinuations (but no proof of anything)

Some people abuse kids, some of those people happen to be famous, loads of others aren’t.

Blimey, the main evidence I’m presented with so far is vitriol.

What’s that supposed to mean ?

You haven’t provided any evidence to back up your claim of a high level pedophile ring among the political and religious elite.

So you’ve found a politician and a clergyman who might have been nonces, so what ? There will be nonces among teachers and doctors and policemen and butchers and bakers and candlestick makers. Which proves what ? I’ll tell you what it proves – that just anyone can be a nonce.

…..Jimmy Savile among others were also linked to Elm Guest House:

I thought Jimmy Savile was a DJ, not part of the political and religious elite ?

And what’s this suppose to mean ? :

Nicholas Fairbairn (who had an affair with Esther Rantzen of Childline Fame)

Is having an affair with Esther Rantzen illegal ? Does it prove that the person is a pedophile ? What exactly ?

And you still haven’t explained what you mean by your bizarre claim that “child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite”. What control structures ? What does that mean ?

Hang on, I think I know what your answer to that question is …….“do your own research”. That’s right isn’t it ?

Because jivehoneyjive you like to darkly suggest all sorts of sinister conspiracies and throw names about but not actually substantiate anything, because of course you can’t. So your get-out clause is “do your own research”.

That’s because your contribution is always the same.

Your contribution is always the same; irresponsibly disregarding the blatant cover up of child abuse within government.

It appears on principle you are determined to disagree…

I’ve provided plenty of evidence, but somehow, it doesn’t meet your requirements.

If you’re too lazy to follow it up yourself, consider these points

There are several victims, careworkers, police officers and ex members of the intelligence services all of whom tell a similar story.

All of the inquiries conducted so far have left all parties above stating there has been a cover up.

Files go missing from the home office and the police ‘lose’ Jimmy Saviles diaries.

The Home Office (who have been complict in a cover up on Jersey), not to mention the aforementioned lost files, recruit 2 unsuitable chairs for the current inquiry, the latest of whom is closely linked to the Home Secretary who is not only linked to the lost files but by several accounts was in fact deeply involved in the abuse itself.
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One day I’ll finish my multi fangled mind map linking it all together in it’s vast horrific entirety in an easily understood format, but for now, you’re just going to have to use your noggin and trust me; I don’t enjoy all this unnecessary confrontation, but I do believe it is of sufficient gravity to endure unfounded hostility.

At the end of the day, I’m the one trying to protect kids… what are you trying to achieve?

One day I’ll finish my multi fangled mind map linking it all together in it’s vast horrific entirety in an easily understood format, but for now, you’re just going to have to use your noggin.

Oh you’re such a tease. You have all the information and the facts but won’t reveal it all just yet. 🙄

At the end of the day, I’m the one trying to protect kids…

Yes of course you are. How about passing all this compelling evidence to the police ?

Wait, don’t tell me……you can’t because the police are part of the conspiracy ?

Your contribution is always the same; irresponsibly disregarding the blatant cover up of child abuse within government.

If it was so blatant, you would be able to provide actual evidence rather than the same old trot every time.

It appears on principle you are determined to disagree…

I do tent to disagree with bullshit yes.

It’s a weakness of mine.

I’ve provided plenty of evidence, but somehow, it doesn’t meet your requirements.

Correct.

Because it’s not “evidence”

If you’re too lazy to follow it up yourself..

Yes, obviously that’s the issue here 🙄

I don’t suppose it’s crossed your mind that I might have “followed it up” and decided you are talking bollox ?

At the end of the day, I’m the one trying to protect kids… what are you trying to achieve?

There you go.

Trying to insinuate that I’m somehow part of the problem ?

Nice.

Dudes, have a lovely night, and think it through…

why would I pursue this with such fervor if I wasn’t certain of my claims.

I don’t suppose it’s crossed your mind that I might have “followed it up” and decided you are talking bollox ?

Perhaps you have, but all that would really suggest is you are a rubbish detective. 😉

Maybe you’re still pissed because all you ever wanted as a kid was a Jim’ll Fix It badge (I know I did)

Wait, don’t tell me……you can’t because the police are part of the conspiracy ?

Will you bother to read this link?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28316874

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:

The Lambeth Police Station ‘Sex Chamber’

Funnily enough John Mann MP (who was a councillor in Lambeth at the time and one of the good guys) is ensuring this investigation is reopened and pursued.

Research it, I dare you…

Being in denial/sweeping it under the carpet isn’t the same as being part of pedophile ring/conspiracy.

As I’ve said previously, when it comes to pedophilia denial/sweeping it under the carpet/pretending it never happened/too horrific to admit that it might have happened, occurs at every level of society, right down to family level.

You make categorical claims of a very high level pedophile ring/conspiracy involving the ‘political and religious elite’. Which is quite different.

You also claim that “child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite” and yet despite my repeated requests you refuse to explain what you mean by “control structures”.

Your lack of explanation is making it very clear that you have no idea what you mean by “control structures” and presumably used the term because it sounds rather sinister.

jivehoneyjive – Member

Nicholas Fairbairn (who had an affair with Esther Rantzen of Childline Fame)

Ah well, in THAT case…

why would I pursue this with such fervor if I wasn’t certain of my claims.

I haven’t seen anyone suggest that you are uncertain of anything. I have seen the occasional suggestion that it’s a load of ill-considered cobblers that makes heavy usage of ellipsis and allusion.

I’ve got this strange picture in my head of jivehoney selecting a box of floppy discs from a fire proof safe and getting his posts in order for a mega Copy/Paste battle. To be fair, it’s not all the same, we haven’t seen the Bruno pic where you know he looks at somebody and the pedo vibe is willed across space and time

Dudes, have a lovely night, and think it through…

People have, and in general aren’t prepared to condemn others as members of an organised pedophile ring without compelling evidence.

…unless they smell like hammers.

Well yeh, but that goes without saying.

I do tent to disagree with bullshit yes.

It’s a weakness of mine.
Nice 😀

why would I pursue this with such fervor if I wasn’t certain of my claims

That is what the religious say but it does not mean they are correct.
there is no [intrinsic] link between your [ or anyone elses to be clear] fervour and the truth

I have no idea what you think that BBC link proves but it is some way short of a conspiracy

“It appeared that certainly people didn’t trust the Metropolitan Police Service, and I think the Metropolitan Police Service possibly didn’t trust some of the people that it was working with.”
Did he fear he was stopped from investigating the Lambeth claims because he suspected more than one politician was involved in child abuse?

He replied: “At the time I just felt that it was all too uncomfortable to a lot of people.”

After Mr Driscoll said he was moved, police continued to look at more than 20 children’s homes.

Investigations are still ongoing and there have been several convictions.

I can’t possibly convey all the information I have on the matter, as there is just too much to comprehend in one sitting.

However, as I mentioned:

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-lambeth-police-station-sex-chamber/

That in itself should ring alarm bells… it’s well documented that in cases up and down the country, Mi5 have intervened to halt investigations into powerful abusers.

Here is MP John Mann’s take, as previously mentioned, he was a councillor in Lambeth:

http://www.johnmannmp.com/corridors-of-power?Entry=21d3507c-678d-7db4-9564-0c9b4e61bdae

The names being bandied around are indeed members of the political elite, much like Elm Guest House and Kincora, which both have several accounts of being used by the intelligence services for filming and blackmail purposes (a control mechanism if you will).

There is a fair bit of evidence implicating Lord Mountbatten in abuse at Kincora.

Lord Mountbatten introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royal Family in the 60s and they were close from that time until his death in 2011.

I can’t possibly convey all the information I have on the matter, as there is just too much to comprehend in one sitting.

It’s not an all or nothing affair, is it. “Any” would be a start.

Posting a photograph of $famousPerson meeting Jimmy Savile and going “how’s about this then” isn’t proof, it’s the sort of thing that makes for Daily Mail headlines. Pick up your average DM and the lead story might be “DOES CINNAMON CURE CANCER?” and then when you read the article the conclusion is that no, it doesn’t. The whole process is an effort in attention seeking, in the DMs case it’s to sell papers and, increasingly, advertising clickbait.

Any halfwit can trawl through the Internet finding links to things and people. Triumphantly regurgitating it elsewhere with the cast iron argument of “makes you think, doesn’t it” doesn’t make you Columbo, it makes you a stone bonker. If you stood in a courtroom and your best prosecution was “you’re just going to have to use your noggin and trust me,” what do you think the reaction would be?

Wy should we “do the research” if you have all the facts? Just tell us.

You need to understand as well, that the people here who are questioning you about your, let’s be generous and say “theories,” aren’t saying the diametric opposite has to be true. No-one is asserting that politicians, radio DJs or for that matter any other demographic you care to mention are all whiter than white. There will a minority of bad eggs wherever you look, abusing positions of power to take advantage of the vulnerable.

But, this is a world apart from “child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.” If you’re going to make that claim – and for all I know it could be true – you’re going to have to back that up with some seriously compelling evidence.

John Mann’s take,

He provides just as many facts as you do .

Rather than trying to pursue a huge wealth of evidence which you wouldn’t read and which would bore you, lets make this simple:

Look at the news today…

Fiona Woolf, close acquaintance of Leon Brittan (see video and links above, including audio of interview with customs officer i.e. evidence), colluded with the Home Office (who are in charge of the Police and Mi5) editing a letter attempting to play down her association with Leon Brittan.

That is not conjecture (though conjecture is an essential part of detective work), that is fact.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2608342-home-office-colluded-to-hide-fiona-woolf-s-links-to-leon-brittan-simon-danczuk?

Despite all this, Downing Street still fully back Fiona Woolf, though David Cameron promised ‘there will be no stone unturned’

This year 2 downing street workers, Patrick Rock (David Camerons deputy director of Policy) and Hans Sebastian Crump (an IT worker within the Cabinet Office) were both charged with child abuse images.

Meanwhile there have been multiple officers leading the investigations into the high level paedophile ring acting within Westminster, who have mysteriously have stepped down.

For some reason, the most recent; DCI Paul Settle, also happened to be a Royal Protection Officer.

Given that so far, there are around 200 charges that go unprosecuted:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5348/scotland-yard-delays-200-charges-over-claims-of-child-sex-abuse

In the bigger scheme of things,

It’s not me you should be asking questions;

why don’t you turn your attention to pursuing answers from the home office?

why don’t you turn your attention to pursuing answers from the home office?

Because you claim to already have them.

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:
https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-lambeth-police-station-sex-chamber/

When you say “what appears to be” what do you mean exactly ?

There must be some EVIDENCE of it surely.

You provided a link to PROVE what you are saying was true didn’t you.

On no wait, I read your link and all it confirmed was ……. Nothing.

The investigation found ….. Nothing
The Freedom of information request found ….. Nothing

In fact, all that was proved, was there is indeed a small room in that building. Wow.

Not only that, it’s not even a building used by Police officers!
It’s a building used entirely by Civilian Clerical support staff.

And all that information is from a link YOU provided,
And you provided it to prove that high ranking police officers had a Sex Dungeon under a police station that was used to abuse kids and produce child pornography.

Even by your standards, that’s poor “evidence” 🙄

Do you think it’s appropriate that given the allegations against Leon Brittan, that an acquaintance of his should lead the investigation?

Is it appropriate that the Home Office, who has a vested interest in preventing wrongdoings being exposed, has helped cover up the conflict of interest of the inquiry panel chair they chose without outside consultation?

re: jivehoneyjive.

I’d rather you didn’t post on the chat forum tbh, EVERY single time the threads just get dragged down the same direction, it’s annoying and boring.

I’m not sure what the rules are for getting banned. You’re not a premium member, so not contributing financially to this outfit. I’ve never seen you strike a chord with anyone. Didn’t Kaesae get the chop for being a stuck record?

Sorry if that offends, it’s not personal, just my opinion. 😐

You don’t need to get involved or read JHJ’s contributions. Freedom of speech applies equally to the people you don’t like and who say things you’d rather not hear.

I’d rather you didn’t post on the chat forum tbh, EVERY single time the threads just get dragged down the same direction, it’s annoying and boring.

Really? I find him quite entertaining tbh. Please don’t ban him.

Really, still? An interesting thread about the poppies at the Tower of London becomes a conspiracy about the Queen starting wars. Maybe it’s just me, perhaps I’m one of THEM. 8)

I can’t possibly convey all the information I have on the matter, as there is just too much to comprehend in one sitting.

You could, I dunno, hire Wembley stadium? Make a day of it?

Really? I find him quite entertaining tbh. Please don’t ban him.

That’s very kind mogrim, sometimes I feel like a honeybadger fending off a pride of lions.

If nothing else, this is the verbal equivalent of gladiatorial times.

I challenge any of you to a rap battle.

That’ll settle it.

Pictonroad, let’s see ya…

I challenge any of you to a rap battle.

You might as well do just that.

Because you don’t bother replying to any specific criticism of the “evidence” you provide to back up your accusations.

If nothing else, this is the verbal equivalent of gladiatorial times.

[img]http://www.natzraya.org/Articles/Appetizer/gladiatordown.jpg[/img]

Never mind all this nonce-sense. Lets cut to the chase here. Has anyone categorically proved that David Cameron isn’t a lizard?

Has anyone categorically proved that David Cameron isn’t a lizard?

Actually, I’ve been investigating this*. All the evidence seems to suggest that he is!!!

* Google image search: https://www.google.es/search?q=david+cameron+lizard&safe=off&client=ubuntu-browser&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=g3lTVKWTGc_jaOHtgLgN&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=683

Strange that you should pick one small piece of the puzzle, out of context

On no wait, I read your link and all it confirmed was ……. Nothing.

The investigation found ….. Nothing
The Freedom of information request found ….. Nothing

So, of itself, that information would indeed suggest there was nothing to worry about but questions which need to be asked to ascertain the validity of that information:

Who did the investigation?

Who was responsible for the freedom of information request?

Given that precedents have been set for corruption in both the police and the home office can those sources be trusted?

in the wider context of other allegations surrounding Lambeth, you’d be foolish to blindly accept the official story.

See you’re a bit shy of taking me on in the rap arena… 😉

All these gladiator references, the constant talking about paedophiles…
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVY0Hy-D7XE[/video]

The evidence is pretty clear, I’d say. All this talk is just to put us off the scent.

Strange that you should pick one small piece of the puzzle, out of context

I clicked a link you provided, regarding a “story” you brought up without being prompted.

You will have to explain to me how that is “out of context” 🙄

So, of itself, that information would indeed suggest there was nothing to worry about but questions which need to be asked to ascertain the validity of that information:

And have you done that ??

No.

Who did the investigation?

No you, so your not happy, right ?

Who was responsible for the freedom of information request?

See above.

Given that precedents have been set for corruption in both the police and the home office can those sources be trusted?

Find some actual evidence to prove them wrong then.

You are the one who’s claiming to have so much evidence that we couldn’t possible digest it all.

I’m only asking for one bit here.

in the wider context of other allegations surrounding Lambeth, you’d be foolish to blindly accept the official story.

In the wider context of almost everything you say being bullshit, I’d be foolish to blindly accept anything you say ?

I’d rather you didn’t post on the chat forum tbh, EVERY single time the threads just get dragged down the same direction, it’s annoying and boring.

That’s a bit harsh!

It is a thread about David Icke so crazy conspiracy theories are quite at home.

FWIW IMHO there has been some cover ups and there is definitely some high profile people who must be pretty worried at the moment.

What if nealglover and pictonroad are freemasons!!

Everything is becoming clear 😆

Oh Lord My God, is there no help for the widows son! 😉

Move along laddy, Jim ain’t gonna fix this one…

Still no comment on the “not in a police station, non sex dungeon” ?

It’s the only one of your links I clicked on, and it wasn’t even backing up what you claimed.

Didn’t Kaesae get the chop for being a stuck record?

He got the chop for continually making personal insults and attacks despite many, many warnings to reign it in.