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Lol @ Kilo... except looks like he's a leftie must be a mare in protests 😉
I can predict with some accuracy the usual doughnuts that rock up on anti-police threads with their unlettered, ill-informed posts. Probably the same types that are first on the blower when they need the law 😀
Except for mjsmke. I'm fairly convinced he can take care of himself just from what he's written on the Internet.
looks like a good hit on a green spot
did I say it was a bad thing? I was admiring the accuracy 😆
Don't you just love it when they have to circle something in a photo because the intended audience can't be expected to spot it for themselves?Its so police learn from their mistakes.
My experience with police after being a victim of robbery (group of people stopped me, threatened me, then took my bike when i was 15) was poor. The police were not interested even while i was pointing to the main thief in a high street. They were only interested when the thief admitted to everything during an interview and it turned out he was on their records for similar crimes. I ended up getting the bike back with help from friends alone. So im sorry to all the police on here for having an opinion after a bad experience.
looks like a good hit on a green spot
Well the judge thought it was justified.
A district judge found he was justified in hitting animal rights activist Nicola Fisher during clashes outside the Bank of England on April 2 last year
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/831474-g20-assault-case-officers-will-not-be-disciplined
Munqe-chick - Member
Lol @ Kilo... except looks like he's a leftie must be a mare in protests
I thank you, but feel I must point out I come to the modern day world of policing from a different church and have never had to do protests I fear i would be would be crap and scared, sneaky beaky stuff only 😀
this was quite a good discussion on an interesting moral dilemma, shame to see it's been spoilt by trolls and morons as usual.
Kilo didn't say it wasn't justified he was merely pointing out it was a good baton strike on a particular area but not here to debate that (although clearly nowt to be debated). Even I have had bad experiences of police being off duty ... as already mentioned police are a cross section of society, good ones, bad ones, slim ones, fat ones, honest ones, lying ones.
this was quite a good discussion on an interesting moral dilemma, shame to see it's been spoilt by trolls and morons as usual.
speaking personally, no troll from me, I just come form a very different background and stance where unfortunately in my personal experience the police have not been a force for good.
I have no doubt that there are very good, professional, diligent officers who take their job very seriously. I have just been at the fist and boot of those who don't.
[i]Its so police learn from their mistakes.[/i] (sic)
It's so the pics are all over the MSM long before the policeman has his day in court. I think that's what you mean.
How many of the moaners have worked in public service of any kind? How many have had to make these sorts of decisions? I know I have had to ( working as a nurse) walk past one patient asking for help to get to another whos need was greater / who had been waiting longer.
It might be a bad decision, it might be a good one. We do not have the info to be sure. You simply do not know what the cop was doing and you have no idea if there was a greater priority.
the OP should have called 999 if they wanted a copper to attend
Some of you need to get a grip on yourselves - condemning this cop without having he info to hand
Presumably Hora failed to communicate the severity of his situation effectively to the officer, I'd expect if someone was being murdered he'd have been more animated/forceful in his attention seeking and she might have stopped.
However, for balance...
I agree, I'd pay them all 'single time' and that would solve the resource issue.mildred : you see, a PC currently gets double time overtime for working BH's, ..............You couldn't make it up.
Police in 'appears-not-to-give-a-shit' shocker.
Wouldn't have taken 2secs for Hora to have got a sympathetic 'sorry m8, i haven't got time because...' from the policewoman, but didn't.
Cue an evening of tinternetz police/public relations [s]arguments[/s]discussions.
If only she knew, huh?
Cheek0 he said he was going to complain? Obviously not that bothered as doesn't appear he has.
I flagged down two police officers tonight and they couldn't have been more helpful. Answered my questions (they've increased their presence in a particular area in response to men harassing women) and had a laugh with them. Every experience of officers has been positive. Would be one myself if I wasn't so slow witted...
Even the police themselves will say they are representative of society within their ranks. We can't condemn them all, let alone the greater majority. I've interacted with loads of great coppers, even if the odd experience has been a bit naff. But it's not been so bad as the trouble we've had over down in London where you can be working enabling legal events and you're getting assaulted by passing coppers who've come unglued, and that's after we've suffering intimidation on the streets the day before the event. I thank **** I'm white, so at least when I go down there I don't run the risk of any really unnecessary unpleasantness. Although there was that one time a team let a mentally unstable person loose the other side of the grounds from the ambulance, whom I was trying to get sectioned (after some offences against my group- inc. trespassing/theft/sexual assault) that resulted in another force having to send their guys in to clear up the mess. I was left shouting after them, "Oh yeah? I know that game, see which of us gets eaten first by the mentally ill person! Right?"
We can argue about this as much as we like to make ourselves feel all superior and slag them off, but the truth of the matter is there isn't enough police (and Ambulance) staff around. They're regularly over worked, rarely finish on time and to be honest a stolen bike (while horrible for the owner) isn't that high priority compared to assaults, rape, drug dealing, murder, RTCs, etc. I've worked in the Emergency Services for years and know a lot of police officers and in general they tend to be honest hard working people. If she said she was to busy, she probably was.
But it's cool to slag them off as the Govt. say they're over paid and lazy
I agree with a lot that has been said.
However when you have a government saying zero tolerance on crime that inclues bike theft.
Yes its low priority for the police but for the "victim" it is still traumatic.
If you recover your property without the police its too easy for some scum bag to go to the police and make accusation which waste time, so if you do discover your bike don't give the guy aa slap, no matter how much we all know they may deserve it.
How much police time is taken up with pety crime. I would guess the majority, things like shoplifting, drugs, vandalism etc.
My exeriences recently are of a person making false allecations to the police,this has happened to me on more than one occasion as a particular person has a vendetta against me. I am sumarily arrested and investigated, often over a period of time and never have a case brought as there is nothing to answer. However this individual can do this every few months wasting both the police and my time. However the police are forced to do this as a matter of procedure.
Now that gives me a negative view but I respect they are doing their job. Even when sitting in a cell for twelve hours. They even bring me home now!
Equally and we have to admit this, there are also bad police officers. As in any large organisation I think I read statisticlly that 1 in 10 people in large organisations will be useless. Now there is legitimate long term illness but I am sure not all of it is. You will have people "swinging the lead". There is still racism in the police, some of them are thugs, some no doubt corrupt. We see this in the media.
However I doubt very much its a majority. Yes things can be improved but it will never be perfect. Unfortunately its a public service that we pay for and a hot media topic. They will make mistakes as they are human.
Seldom will you see good news stories as it doesnt make good copy. I only hope that the police force can improve along with our other front line services like the NHS etc with the severely reduced finances and resources available to them.
By and large most police are trying to deliver a good service and peform to the best of their ability. Unfortunately they have neither a magic wand nor unlimited resources, when we are the "victim" of a crime we all feel that the full resources of the local police an Scotland Yard should be utilised to the recovery of our bike. I woul feel the same. BUT we also have to be realistic, no matter how unpalletable that may be. Due to a lack of resources little effort will be put into solving low priority crimes.
Complain? I tend to cut people abit of slack. For instance the officers rushing for their shift at Trafford/Stretford 'nick. Often they'll drive down there at 40 and I cornered one fella for undertaking me at 40 and asking him why. He was initially bolshy but then backed down. I must admit post-conversation it did tickle me that this fella had a speeding dressing down from a 'civie 😆
All it took was for the lady to pull over, question me briefly then say 'I'll radio this in for you'. Why didn't she do that? Maybe the person may have replied 'your there'?
On the way to a bereavement? Understand but lets say its a freak journey and she ignores 3 separate calls for help from members of the public? At what point does she think 'theres an immediate need here'. The person who is dead will still be dead. Sorry, thats not callouse.
hora, I can think of a hundred reasons why she was unable to take the call, or stop and speak. But she could also be a lazy, bone idle work shy bobby giving me and my colleagues a bad name. Her line manager may be looking for evidence of this so that he can address it.
She may have been making her way to an ongoing firearms incident (not unusual in the area you're talking about). If she was (and she wasn't in an armed response vehicle from what you describe) then she would be making her way to the area at normal road speeds whilst armed colleagues conducted an assessment / gained the appropriate authorities for deployment. She isn't going to stop and tell you this because a) she has rather more pressing matters on her mind
b) may be looking for the offenders or vehicles c) wouldn't be thanked for tying up the airwaves with details of a recently stolen pedal cycle. She is also not going to tell you any of this because it may well be unconfirmed and she doesn't want to send the public into a panic.
But as you say she may be a waste of a uniform
Should I go on?
Just ring 872 5050 and speak to the response inspector. Depending on where you saw her, you want either the B or C division. Give him the street you were on and the timeand they will identify who the officer is, although she will probably be on rest days now until Friday night..
It will take you 5 minutes. Maybe you're too busy?
Bregante
Your sooooo out of date
Ring 101 🙂
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Edit: More surprised that you didn't pick me up on the assumption that the Inspector would be a fella!
It will take you 5 minutes. Maybe you're too busy?
She may be a workshy in the uniform with a track record on a discipline card. Or she may have just made a bad judgement call and was stressed worn/out with minimal support from her manager.
I'd like to think the later hence I wouldn't make the call. Remember recently a Police show had a number of complaints made against some of the officers featured? Context...I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt.
I doubt she could run far anyway, she looked mid-40's, slightly overweight and more like a Dinner lady in a Police uniform, not one of those blonde/hair-tied back sassy trim looking types that you sometimes see 8)
I'd like to think the later hence I wouldn't make the call.
And yet your thread title is somewhat at odds with this sentiment.
It was a frustrating rant. If it was my bike I'd have bloody gone mental if I'm honest.
I doubt she could have done anything but the time saved by jumping into her car could have meant a positive outcome. As it was me running back to my car meant he was down any myriad of streets.
Thing is mate you haven't given anyone the benefit of the doubt. Instead you've reached your own conclusions and then got onto the Internet and slagged someone off with next to no knowledge of the facts.
Your initial assumptions may well have been correct, however we will never know will we? If she is a work shy waste of space, her colleagues will all have to work a bit harder to compensate for her shortcomings because you and no doubt many others don't have the courage of their convictions to ring up and make a complaint.
Equally you have provided extra ammunition for the negative anti police types to slag off the cops without full knowledge of the facts. She may have been making her way to a report of a missing two year old. Again, this may not warrant a blue light response.
BTW if you are tempted to try to discuss this with me up in Scotland next week, (where I am likely to have had a lot to drink) I won't be held responsible for my, or my mates responses 😉
Equally you have provided extra ammunition for the negative anti police types to slag off the cops
After a certain age people tend to form and stick with certain opinions though so no matter what they'd think negatively.
I however have the power of empathy. I can always see two sides of every argument.
Bring your handcuffs to Scotland 
Bring your handcuffs to Scotland
*shudders
Nothing to do with the content but I have little time for the police. My brother and cousin (his dad is now retired from the force after 35 years) and my father in the armed forces for 40 years
Just my personal experiance but if you listen to these when they are chatting away all I can hear is apathy. Other experiences with police was pretty much what was shown on those recently aired documentaries. I'm sure MOST are wonderful, but the ones I know are like doormen with a badge, it's human nature I think
I work in banking so I'm sure many people have unfounded opinions of me & my work colleagues. I have never been arrested for anything at all so not speaking as a perp, just a member of the public
I can't be bothered to plough through the usual mound of Hora-drivel, but... if you see a crime in progress (including a bike being stolen), ring 999.
Sometimes they will be in no position to follow it up (typically on a Friday night they will have their hands full with drunks and domestics) but at other times they'll be able to do something.
I've been in touch with local police a fair few times over the vexed topic of bike theft, and what comes across resoundingly is that they want the public to report this stuff. The correct way to do this isn't flagging down a car, or cornering one of them in the kitchen at a house party. It's by phoning it in, so the appropriate people can deal with it.
"Oh the police won't be interested, I won't bother reporting it..." Catch 22 anyone?
Shouldn't have posted ^ as the thread is now petering out
Sorry
I'm sure MOST are wonderful, but the ones I know are like doormen with a badge, it's human nature I think
My first experience of the Police was our community Constable called Bobby George. Ex-Army boxer. A thoroughly top bloke. That theme continued really. A difficult job and the Police can't cure the criminals, just keep the tide of crap from overwhelming society. I bet at times its a very depressing job.
Munqe-chick - MemberWas it even definately a PC? could've been a PCSO? We could keep giving you scenarios and you still haven't responded, have you complained?
Of course he hasn't. This is a Hora thread and it's not really about the police, or crime, or society, it's about entertaining Hora.
Whoa hang on. Good point. She didn't look a Manchester 'battle' hardened PC.
There WILL be some good PCSO's out there however my experiences of them is terrible. From the ones who had a go at me and binners (thick idiots) to the two I asked not to cycle on the pavement who replied 'why not, we are allowed'.
Perhaps if the police employed the services of an overpaid recruitment consultant, they'd get a higher calibre of officer
Like politicians, the police recruits will be full of spunk and a great outlook to their future in policing. Over time, seeing the state of society which they are paid to serve and dealing daily with the lowest forms of human life it's natural to start to have a them and us mentality - natural
Difference between politicians and police - the police work for their pay with sweat, politicians eat small children
Perhaps if the police employed the services of an overpaid recruitment consultant, they'd get a higher calibre of officer
I never walk past a wrong binners. You know I wouldn't.
Have you ever considered getting a cape?
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How come I don't get Burt Reynolds 😐
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Binners, who are the noisy ney'bours now?
I haven't read all this but my first reaction was that she may have recognised the OP from here and thought 'I'm GTF outta here fast...................... 😉
I agree, I'd pay them all 'single time' and that would solve the resource issue
Your wish is Tom Winsor's command:
As of next year all Police Constables will be asked to nominate 7 days they wish to take in lieu of Bank/Public holidays, meaning that the usual Public holidays (with exception of Christmas day) will be a normal work day.
To be fair, and this is a discussion for another time, this is one of the more sensible things to come out of the Winsor Review.