WTF is happening at tomorrow’s MTB World Series DH?

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Welcome to the brave new world of elite Downhill racing. This weekend in Lenzerheide, Switzerland will see new race formats, new schedules, new broadcasting rights and new commentators. Good luck everyone!

New format, new schedule

From now on, these races are still called “World Cups” individually but the overarching multi-discipline collection is known as the “World Series” now. Yeah, not entirely sold on the name TBH but hey-ho. We think most people are still going to use the term “World Cup” for all the racing for quite a while yet. Old habits die hard and all that.

There’s a new format to go along the new name too. And there’s no more Timed Training (boo!). There is still Qualifying, which still does award some points. But there are also now “Semi-Finals”. Semi-Finals happen on the same day as the Finals. Semi-Finals and Finals have points awarded.

Saturday (June 10th) Schedule:

UK times are as follows:

  • 7:30am – 9:00am: Training
  • 9:45am – 10:20am: Elite Women’s Semi-Final
  • 10:20am -12:00pm: Elite Men’s Semi-Final
  • 12:00pm – 1:00pm: Elite Women’s Final
  • 1:00pm – 2:00pm: Elite Men’s Final

New format, new points system

Essentially, the new format sees an initially large number (much larger than in previous World Cups) of entrants get whittled down to a Final featuring 30 men and 10 women.

To be more specific, from the large initial field of riders today’s Qualifying (begins at 2.30pm UK) will see that field reduced to 60 men and 50 women. These riders go on to the Semi-Final, which will then reduce the field to 30 men and 10 women, who will go on to the Final.

Hardcore DH fans can watch the whole shebang, including today’s Qualifying. Whereas your more casual – or time-starved – viewer can just tune into the Finals.

Of most initial interest will be the Semi-Finals and how they affect the racing. Tactics and all that. Not so much in this initial race (where we suspect everyone will just go full-tilt all-the-time) but later on in the season there may well be some tactical racing occurring. Who knows? It’s impossible to say right now. And while ‘tactical racing’ is often a polite way of saying ‘boringly playing it safe’, it could well be that tactics adds an extra dimension to what is already The Best Sport On The Planet.

Anyway. Points.

For Men, the top 60 places in Qualifying, Semi-Finals and Finals get points.

For Women, the top 15 places in Qualifying, Semi-Finals and Finals get points. There are fewer spots because of the smaller overall field of entrants.

Well actually, some of these places (in Qualifying and Finals) get zero points, as you can see below. But you get the idea. Hopefully.

Points System: Men

PositionQualifyingSemi-FinalFinal
1st50100250
2nd4080210
3rd3070180
4th2565160
5th2260140
6th2058125
7th1856110
8th175495
9th165280
10th155075
11th144971
12th134868
13th124765
14th114663
15th104560
16th94458
17th84356
18th74254
19th64152
20th54050
21st03948
22nd03848

Points System: Women

PositionQualifyingSemi-FinalFinal
1st50100250
2nd4080210
3rd3070180
4th2560150
5th2050120
6th164090
7th143580
8th123070
9th102560
10th52050
11th0180
12th0160
13th0140
14th0120
15th0100

New broadcaster, new deal

No more Red Bull TV. It’s now ESO and Warner (no relation) Brothers Discovery.

You can watch all of the racing on Eurosport and Discovery+ and via GCN+. Some of the racing will be free-to-watch for anyone and everyone, but the main Elite-level points-winning things will be pay-per-view.

It’s a bit late now (sorry!) but at every round of the DH World Series the Elite-level Qualifying – that usually happens a day or so before the main Finals day – will be free-to-view. As will the whole of the Junior-level racing, Finals including (which being at 12.15pm UK today). Which is nice.

As regards paying-per-viewing, via GCN+ there are two options. Annual or monthly. Annual subscription is £39.99. Monthly is £6.99.

Today is June 9th. The final World Series race of the year takes place on October 8th. So that means that in terms of just watching World Series Mountain Bike racing for the next four months, opting to pay monthly will total £27.96. You’ll just need to remember to cancel it when October arrives!

No more “LOOK AT THE TIME!”

No more Red Bull TV, no more Rob Warner. In the ESO era, commentating duties are going to be headed up by Ric McLaughlin.

Good luck Ric.

Unwise predictions

Anyway, about the racing itself. And the racers.

Last year’s World Cup Overall titles were won by Camille Balanche and Amaury Pierron.

Last time the racing was at Lenzerheide, Myriam Nicole and Amaury Pierron were the winners. Myriam Nicole is currently not due to race this year’s due to concussion recovery.

So, let’s play ‘who do we want to win’, versus ‘who do we think will win’.

Who do we think will win?

Vali Höll and Amaury Pierron.

Who do we want to win?

Rachel Atherton and Jordan Williams. Obvs!

Yes, Rachel Atherton is racing. And Jordan Williams has made the move up to Elite.

Join in via the comments below 👇

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  • WTF is happening at tomorrow’s MTB World Series DH?
  • twistedpencil
    Full Member

    I could have this completely wrong, but I’ve never had mainstream media have articles of a world cup pop up in my feeds before.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65867362

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jun/11/rachel-atherton-wins-uci-downhill-world-cup-cycling?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    This seems positive for the sport.

    As for Tahnee being protected, I think concussion is now treated differently, as it should be so as not to pressure riders returning too soon.  Don’t forget EWS took this seriously before most cycling federations so can see why the new organisation would protect Tahnee, and Pompom when she’s ready to return.

    aldo56
    Free Member

    Don’t get me wrong – there is huge potential there but there were many, many bugs/ issues that got quite annoying. If they can sort it out it’ll be great:

    I had a few drop outs watching on Eurosport. They kept cutting away to people in the crowd or interviews in the middle of the race. The video quality seemed much worse than red bull. It felt like the commentators couldn’t see the race – not picking up on the live timing splits. The live timing screens were unreliable. Cedric isn’t a good commentator.

    ocrider
    Full Member

    The XC coverage was once again excellent. The speed of the race is far more suited to drones following through yes than DH. They still lost the riders occasionally when using the birds eye view.
    Ric has gelled with Bart better than with CG, who still hasn’t quite adjusted to commentating in English and alongside someone else.

    xora
    Full Member

    Given the GCN+ search is utterly broken, and the View All on race replays in in random order. Any tips how to find an actual race you want?

    clubby
    Full Member

    I’d be happy to see the end of protected riders. Get there on current form or not at all. Puncture or mechanical, bad luck but could happen to anyone.

    mrhoppy
    Full Member

    I thought it was ok really, not great but not awful. Commentators do need to settle in but then I don’t get the Rob W worship either, he’d long ago resorted to shouting “LOOK AT THE TIME!”.

    xora
    Full Member

    Actually the GCN+ app on AppleTV seems to have had an update and its now unstable 🙁

    Kamakazie
    Full Member

    I only saw the Semi finals as I haven’t subscribed yet. Thought it was decent.

    I don’t think Rob was technically good at commentating but he really conveyed the excitement of the racing and the close split times, back and forth etc.

    That was surely missing from the naf YouTube official highlights, given the magnitude of what was achieved in both finals.

    Looking forward to them improving, especially more attention to the splits, and to another great season of racing. Seems to get better every year.

    mudfish
    Full Member

    The bikes seemed to look slow to me in parts (a lot of parts) there’s no way it’s slow. They are gods of speed.
    Seems crazy

    Camera positions perhaps for long duration pans. Very long lenses compress perspective.

    BruceWee
    Full Member

    I’d be happy to see the end of protected riders. Get there on current form or not at all. Puncture or mechanical, bad luck but could happen to anyone.

    I’m OK with protected riders for the qualification but with there only being 5 protected men and 3 protected women going from semis to finals that just seems fundamentally unfair.

    Edit:  I may be talking bollocks (for a change). As far as I can tell from the results sheet there were 4 protected women and 9 protected men in the semi-finals results sheet.

    Anyone know how the rules actually work going from the semis to the finals?

    moonsaballoon
    Full Member

    I subscribed to GCN plus to watch , worked fine casting from the phone to the TV . I watched the men’s semi then the women’s finals before going to bed . Woke up Sunday , went for a ride then watched the replay of the men’s finals so for me it was spread out over 2 days . I’m quite into the racing , listen to pre and post race downtime  podcasts etc etc but I’m not sure i would sit there and watch the whole thing semis and straight into finals .  Just feels like quite a long time to spend in front of the TV on a weekend . I wonder if the semi finals will only be for a year or so as it seemed ESO / discovery seem very keen on the reduced field for the live show and once the novelty has worn off i can see most people only tuning in for the final .

    I thought the broadcast was fine , I thought id miss warner more but it was actually Elliott Jackson that I thought was the biggest loss . He is friends with a lot of the racers and was able to give insights into some behind the scenes stuff . I don’t think Cedric Gracia was necessarily bad but I’m not sure he told me anything i couldn’t work out for myself .

    mudfish
    Full Member

    Cast (well, the other button “AirPlay”) from an iPhone to a Roku stick. Good pic etc. Awaiting a Roku GCN+ app which they say is coming.
    Seems good value, but of course it was ace that Red Bull was free and with a pretty good app on most smart tvs. Let’s hope Warner Bros. put a lot back into the sport.

    It was indeed a long day to watch women’s and then men’s.
    There was a tech issue for me. If you paused to make a cuppa etc it might jump back to the start and it takes a while shuffling to get back to the right spot.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    It was quite a long broadcast yes… it seemed to go on forever… but in a very good way 🙂

    We watched on Disco+ and it worked perfectly well. No issues, plenty of camera angles, plenty of track coverage.

    Both commentators showed plenty of knowledge, the Irish lad i was half expecting to be more of a commentator than someone full of knowledge as i thought he only did the Enduro stuff, but he seemed pretty clued up.

    As much as it’s a shame Warner has gone, he’s just a commentator, no more no less… The real interest is the riders… Which was as always brilliant to watch.

    ocrider
    Full Member

    @BruceWee
    p = protected for qualifiers
    P = protected for semis

    Protected riders who fall short of the cutoff (not totally sure about dnf) are additional to the qualified riders for each round, so nobody gets bumped off the bottom of the list like they used to.

    BruceWee
    Full Member

    p = protected for qualifiers
    P = protected for semis

    Sure, but my question is how many riders are protected going from semis to finals.

    From this:

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-ucis-major-rule-changes-for-the-2023-dh-world-cup.html

    Protected riders to the final are:
    1. riders ranked in the top 3 women elite and top 5 men elite of the final UCI World
    Cup standings of the previous season

    But then according to this:

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/semi-final-results-from-the-lenzerheide-dh-world-cup-2023.html

    There were 4 big P women and 9 big P men.

    ocrider
    Full Member

    Yep, it got revised not so long ago.
    For the men there are now 10, for the women there are 4.

    reeksy
    Full Member

    Rachel is only doing a few, good short interview with her on Wyn’s track walk

    I saw that… wonder if anything’s changed since then?

    Yak
    Full Member

    So got the GCN+ sub in the end as bt sport wasn’t working. Paid GCN still needed to be cast from a laptop to the tele. Picture was sometimes rubbish/unwatchable, sometimes ok. From what I saw it looked like great racing.  But this faff is a right hassle and barely worth it.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    So got the GCN+ sub in the end as bt sport wasn’t working. Paid GCN still needed to be cast from a laptop to the tele. Picture was sometimes rubbish/unwatchable, sometimes ok. From what I saw it looked like great racing.  But this faff is a right hassle and barely worth it.

    Honestly the Discovery+ was completely spot on… no issues, no drop-outs, no problems at all.

    julians
    Free Member

    Honestly the Discovery+ was completely spot on… no issues, no drop-outs, no problems at all.

    If you got your discovery+ through amazon prime, there was no commentary during the races, just the sounds of bikes,crowds etc.

    snotrag
    Full Member

    I tried the discovery+, paid direct to them as I also wanted to watch Le Mans this weekend.

    App on phone, App on smart TV, and even (joy of joys!) through a browser on the computer – and it worked flawlessly.

    Really annoying, as I wanted to hate it, but it actually worked really well. And the search, highlights, channel guide etc are all really easy to use. I guess thats goodbye to another 7 quid a month for the foreseeable then!

    As for Cedric – even Rob wasnt that good when he first started.

    snotrag
    Full Member

    Oh and – slow handclap for GMBN racing for putting the f*cking results in the titles of their youtube videos a matter of minutes after the racing, and then pushing it out as notifications and emails, completely giving the game away. Morons.

    nickc
    Full Member

    TBF to them, RedBull used to do exactly the same thing on their website as well.

    BruceWee
    Full Member

    Yep, it got revised not so long ago.
    For the men there are now 10, for the women there are 4.

    Not so bad then, but I still think it give a hugely unfair advantage and should be ditched.

    I guess the other thing you could do was only protect the riders who had a mathematical chance of winning the overall.  Doesn’t work very well at the beginning of the season, obviously.

    stevextc
    Free Member

    Oh and – slow handclap for GMBN racing for putting the f*cking results in the titles of their youtube videos a matter of minutes after the racing, and then pushing it out as notifications and emails, completely giving the game away. Morons.

    Red Bull screwed it up once (at least) but that was presumably by accident whereas this was presumably on purpose to drive subscription.

    oikeith
    Full Member

    I didn’t think it was terrible, but they do need to do better. The commentary barely seemed to register that Bruni was up 1/2 a second at the first split, nearly even at the 2nd, up again by half a second, then lost it again, instead they just seamed to have some pre written “waneresque” comments that they were desperate to throw in rather than just describing the race in their own style.

    I agree with this, I’m watching a race which is timed, it felt like awful analogies or funny comments trumped actually commenting on the splits! and not even adding any commentary to it, watching the womens, Rach was 2 seconds-ish up into the woods and lost nearly all of it, when Camile went she was only a second back, but if she had a good woods section she could catch or overtake Rach but this wasnt mentioned.

    Never thought I’d miss the virtual straight or segment comparisson from Red Bulls coverage but would have been handy for the top 3.

    I noticed something annoying, I get D+ free with Sky, you can then log into D+ on any other device you can get the app, so I have the app on my Apple TV, with the Apple TV when starting the broadcast I could watch from the start or watch live, when I was evicted to another room of the house on the sky box I could only watch live, but when I went back to the Apple TV in the other room but options were still present.

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