No, the previous articles you have linked to have suggested that he was working for the US, this one says he particularly has it in for them.
I am not sure of your position aside from a willingness to believe anything bad that is said about Assange.
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The way I read the article, he has done the deal with Israel, not the US.....And the only vaguely secret stuff from the US has seemed to support US hegemony in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan yeah? All other stuff was just low level tittle-tattle.
yes so as he said the article states he will do anything to expose american now which is it? Supporting their hegemony or all out to expose it's hypocrisy at any cost you cant claim both. Is he an unwitting stooge of the USA world view now? They seem to be going to a bit of trouble to get him though dont they - suppose they would have to or it would be obvious etc. Problem with all conspiracy theories is there is some evidence but never enough. Your view seems somewhat contradictory without piling on more cards to you house.
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The function of Wikileaks is crucial. But with rights come responsibilities. Just because it has the information does not mean that it has the moral right to release it. If people die as a result of the release of the information then Wikileaks will be part of the cause of that person being killed.
It is quite probable that people may die as a result of these 'leaks' - I agree.
But since our 'leaders' are engaged in an illegal war where tens of thousands have already died, we have to understand and accept that this is a price worth paying if it stops them in the future.
Currently the US is throwing its weight around too much, pretty much like we did in the late 19th / early 20th century. Outspending anyone else (by a wide margin) on the Military - pretty much as we did. And putting down anyone who defies them - pretty much as we did.
Such as:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_WarChecks and balances need to be put in place, and currently Wikileaks are (one of many) performing this role. And OT, no real difference to why FIFA didn't want the World Cup in the UK, and choose somewhere where business is 'easier'.
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This now looking like the start of the first (visible) cyber war
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/08/mastercard_downed_by_hackers/
DDOS by Anon (peace be upon them) is hardly 'cyber war'.
Somebody writing a virus specifically targeting Iran's infrastructure = cyber war.
Anon (peace be upon them) DDOSing a site = a bunch of bored people trolling for the lols. When caturday rolls around it'll all be forgotten.
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well going back to simons article, if assange really did make a deal with the israelis id very much like to see the video of this
im sure that there will however be plenty of anti-israeli stuff yet to be divulged
and as this info comes from a pro-arab website id just put it down as the ususal anti-israel conspiracy paranoia thats common in the middle east
assange may well be an arrogant he may even be guilty of rape but i believe his motivations for the leaks are pretty much unbiased in that he dislikes all governments
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It doesn't seem to sit comfortably with some that their idol may be an american or israeli stooge does it? (video?!?)
I've suspected that wikileaks was an american tool for a while. We'll probably never know but if I'm wrong and he's acted independently then by golly the bloke has got some spheres!Posted 1 year ago # -
Solid rock I reckon.
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Indeed. Surprised he doesn't need a wheelbarrow.
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so what youre saying is the guy who releases all the info on government conspiracies and who many believe has been caught up in the conspiracy leading to his arrest is infact part of a larger conspiracy?
where will it all end?
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http://www.visa.com is down
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t doesn't seem to sit comfortably with some that their idol may be an american or israeli stooge does it?
It is terrible being a prisoner of reason oh to be free enought to see a conspiracy everywhere. It does not sit well with me that he is both an Israeli stooge and an American stooge
Kimbers it will end with assimilation resistance is futile.Posted 1 year ago # -
Has anyone actually been on wikileaks? Ye gads, it's dull.
I suspect over the past month there's just been a load of journalists, sat at their desks pouring through tumblr and updating their blogs with 3000 words on how good a Starbucks Eggnog Mocha Latte is on one tab then having wikileaks open on the other. Every time the boss comes in they click on wikileaks and point at going "mmm, s'work, yeah?".
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Ha, says those who'll believe anything written in the guardian!
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Another supremely persuasive and well reasoned post.
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those who'll believe anything written in the guardian!
The Guardian doesn't recommend that their readers should believe everything they write. That is why everyday, they have a section dedicated to correcting false information which they have published. And they encourage people to write to them if they feel an article incorrect. I know of no other newspaper which does that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jan/13/corrections-clarifications
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One of the main things to come out of this will be hopefully be new lockdowns on how Governments secure their (and our) data.
If the network this was on was so easy for a relatively low-down person to copy all this data from, then think of the potential problems of something similar on the new upcoming NHS databases, etc.The Guardian actually brings this up in a balanced manner in their editorial blog from earlier today.
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Infosec - it's a massive problem for everyone.
The leak who stole the cables had probably signed the eqv. of the OSA, so will be jailed forever.
But can anyone explain why journalists (wikileaks) are thought to be doing something illegal by redacting and reporting the information (journalism)?
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It's a witch hunt anyway you look at it, someone wants heads and they will not stop till they have one. Power VS Truth....The books are open.
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Is anyone else not remotely surprised by anything that's in these cables? Honestly, how did you think govt and diplomacy worked?
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I know of no other newspaper which needs to do that.
FTFY.
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Really Flashheart ?
Well maybe you are right........I guess Telegraph readers for example, probably have much lower expectations from their newspaper, and are therefore much less demanding.
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no one who reads the telegraph expects the truth ernie - they need polemics
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no one who reads Toynbee or Monbiot expects the truth ernie - they need polemics
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well cant argue with stoners comments about monbiot and toynbee (to a lesser extent)
but still better than having clarckson as a columnist!anyway thought this was rather amusing thing for teh russians to say
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/09/julian-assange-nobel-peace-prize
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anoying posture politics from mafiso eastern comrades IMHO. Imagine if he had got their info what they would say
I suspect he would not be long for this world.Posted 1 year ago # -
9.05am: First Russia, and now China suggests nominating Julian Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The writer Clay Shirky warned this would happen. In a prophetic article on Monday he predicted the kind of argument repressive regimes would use following the US's approach to WikiLeaks.
Democracies have a process for creating such restrictions, and as a citizen it sickens me to see the US trying to take shortcuts. The leaders of Myanmar and Belarus, or Thailand and Russia, can now rightly say to us "You went after Wikileaks' domain name, their hosting provider, and even denied your citizens the ability to register protest through donations, all without a warrant and all targeting overseas entities, simply because you decided you don't like the site. If that's the way governments get to behave, we can live with that."
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The level of arrogance is astonishing, isn't it? The very first thing the US and the rest of the west should do is lead by example. If they can't even do that they can hardly pass comment on any other countries' behaviour.
I can only feel momentum building here - the Avaaz.org petition hit 300,000 signatures in 24 hours and is now over 400,000.
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Very bad thread title - the dream is just beginning.
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"the dream is just beginning"
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While most people may not be amazed by the revelations, they should be amazed by the reaction of the US government and its western client-states. They are contemplating changing federal law to allow them to persecute one person.
Guantanamo Bay and Abu Graib and now this. How can the US lecture China about freedom and human rights when they've lost their moral centre. I wonder if this is the start of the end of US Hegemony.
BTW. We have seen a fraction the cables. I suspect the "good stuff" is to come.
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While most people may not be amazed by the revelations...
People claim not to be amazed by the revelations, because they were suspicious, in a general way, about the way politicians lie and cheat, but for me the importance is that these leaks PROVE specific instances of that behaviour - for example, the Lockerbie bomber guy.
Maybe we all suspected that his release was not just an act of compassion, but now we KNOW it was not, that it was a result of arm-twisting with the UK and US govts telling big porky pies. Now no-one can accuse us of paranoia - we have PROOF that they are out to get us!
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While I would never condone the use of "cyber-attacks" [sic], I think the user interface for the Low Orbit Ion Canon is quite amusing. particularly the control for connection to the hive mind IRC server for remote commanding:
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So. I'm not particularly a demo person, although I did go to the Gulf War one (only time).
But. I am thinking about going to London tomorrow. Cumberland Gate, Marble Arch, 11am.
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DrJ - Member
While most people may not be amazed by the revelations...
People claim not to be amazed by the revelations, because they were suspicious, in a general way, about the way politicians lie and cheat, but for me the importance is that these leaks PROVE specific instances of that behaviour - for example, the Lockerbie bomber guy.Maybe we all suspected that his release was not just an act of compassion, but now we KNOW it was not, that it was a result of arm-twisting with the UK and US govts telling big porky pies.
Since it was the SCOTTISH Government that released him, what the UK and US Governments got up to is irrelevant.
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12.23pm: Interpol have issued an international arrest warrant for the former Croatian prime minister Ivo Sanader, who fled Croatia as WikiLeak cables exposed corruption allegations against him.
As Ian Traynor reported, according to cables from the US Zagreb embassy Sanader, the centre-right politician who stood down suddenly as prime minister in summer last year, features in several of the corruption cases currently terrorising the Croatian political class.
A friend of Sanader Jerko Rosinsaid, said on state-run today that the former leader was on a foreign business trip and would cut it short to return home.
But Croatian police issued warrant for Sanader and sent it overnight to Interpol. Police also searched his home, AP reports.
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