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1. mastiles_fanylion - Member

   and that is because of attitudes like your won.

   
   Don't be so silly - my attitude is of realisation about what happened in the game over the last few years. Owners of these big clubs don't care about the club, just that they want the *business* to do well. I wish it wasn't the case but there are few owners, managers or players who care about a particular club. Of course there are exceptions - off the top of my head; Shearer, Beckham, Giggs, Tony Adams, Furguson, Carragher but most people involved in the game (at the toppermost flights) these days only care about themselves and their own futures. Maybe it isn't a bad thing to admit that - after all it is just a business just like any other.

   I pointed out that a Large portion of their fans are against foriegn ownership

   
   But do the owners care? No. Because they are the ones making money out of the merchandise (the club, its players, its gate receipts, its television revenues)

   All I am trying to say is that supporters of clubs are, in general, much more passionate about their club than the vast majority of those actually involved with the club.

   Posted 3 years ago #
2. deadlydarcy - Member

   Which is the same as saying that football has nothing to do with locality anymore

   No it's not. Where did you get that idea?

   Posted 3 years ago #
3. deadlydarcy - Member

   You have a point surfer...I suppose what I was trying to say was that we have more to be jealous of seeing as we're both owned by Americans who have no money to do anything at the moment.

   Posted 3 years ago #
4. trailmonkey - Member

   No it's not. Where did you get that idea?

   Because country is a part of that same sense of locality. Most of the fans of my club are English, it's not a global fan base like Liverpool, Man Utd or Chelsea. That's got to be true of the vast majority of English league clubs surely ?

   Posted 3 years ago #
5. deadlydarcy - Member

   Because the team who you support represents a part of who you are

   Well of course it does. But don't equate that "local" thing with then supporting a side that happens to be from the same country just because they're playing a foreign team. You're telling me you'd be wholeheartedly behind Liverpool if they were playing Bayern last night (I'm thinking you're a United fan, apologies if mistaken)?

   That may not be the case for you

   I grew up in a country whose top flight football teams would struggle to beat a conference side but we got MotD every weekend and a Saturday and Sunday game too (either the Liverpool or United game). So we were as close to premiership (or Division 1 as it was back then) football as your average armchair supporter here.

   Oh believe me, when it comes to rugby, I'm as passionate a fan as anybody else for my "local" side. But then again, there are more likely to be people from the area playing for the team, so "local" actually means "local".

   Posted 3 years ago #
6. italspark - Member

   had to turn the sound down last night due to the biased commenta ry
   every man u player got a name check everytime the ball was touched but when bayern were on the ball stringing loads of passes together.......nothing
   a man u v barca final how mouthwatering was the best comment

   tossers

   Posted 3 years ago #
7. TheLittlestHobo - Member

   You're telling me you'd be wholeheartedly behind Liverpool if they were playing Bayern last night (I'm thinking you're a United fan, apologies if mistaken)?

   I had to support ARSEnal the other night against Barca. Not because they play nice football. Becuase they are representing the Premier league in europe and as such i feel they should be supported.

   Posted 3 years ago #
8. iDave - Member

   and as such i feel they should be supported.

   why? are you totally deluded? do you think your 'support' makes the slightest bit of difference? did messi score one goal less as he knew you sat in your living room thinking kindly about arsenal? what does this support possibly achieve?

   Posted 3 years ago #
9. Talkemada - Blocked

   My Old Man,
   said 'be a Tottenham fan'
   I said 'no I don't want to'.

   Posted 3 years ago #
10. TheLittlestHobo - Member

    This kind of dicussion reminds me of why i envy the Scots for their national pride. Do you think they sit at home wondering if their support makes any difference to their team when they are getting spanked every game? At least they support their own (Not commenting on Rangers/Celtic) without question. The English start debating about what effect their support has and how diluted their game is by foriegn influx.

    Posted 3 years ago #
11. deadlydarcy - Member

    I had to support ARSEnal the other night against Barca. Not because they play nice football. Becuase they are representing the Premier league in europe and as such i feel they should be supported.

    I'm thinking delusional as well but that's not fair as I applaud your fairmindedness.

    I guess we'll just have to put this one down to personal philosophy - I still think that how much you "support" the English team that you don't really support week in week out depends on who that team is. Personally, I gave Fulham as my answer..though that's more of a "plucky underdog" thing, a liking for Danny Murphy and a dislike for Juve because of corruption (I think they should have been given a very, possibly ten years or so, ban from all European competiton, but that's another thread)

    Next thing you'll be trying to persuade the Bhoys to shout for the Hun and vice versa when one another is playing a "foreign" side.

    It's all just a dirty old business anyway.

    Posted 3 years ago #
12. TheLittlestHobo - Member

    Talkemada - Member
    My Old Man,
    said 'be a Tottenham fan'
    I said 'no I don't want to'.
    

    Thats pretty much the conversation me and my son had a couple of years ago. He supports liverpool now

    Posted 3 years ago #
13. deadlydarcy - Member

    how diluted their game is by foriegn influx.

    That competiton that's been played in South Africa in place of what would have been the World Cup (which the Republic of Ireland would have won had FIFA and a certain Terry 'Enry conspired to knock us out...now, there's "delusion" for ya )...yeah, that one, because of the above, England will progress no further than the quarter finals at best. I'll have anybody's tenner on this forum on that.

    Posted 3 years ago #
14. trailmonkey - Member

    You're telling me you'd be wholeheartedly behind Liverpool if they were playing Bayern last night

    No, I draw the line with Liverpool because I've always disliked them but apart from that, yes, I usually support English clubs in Europe.

    Posted 3 years ago #
15. deadlydarcy - Member

    No, I draw the line with Liverpool because I've always disliked

    Well, I don't need to say anymore then do I. Liverpool are fairly "local" to you aren't they?

    Posted 3 years ago #
16. trailmonkey - Member

    No, not at all. I'm from B'ham and support Villa.

    Posted 3 years ago #
17. mastiles_fanylion - Member

    I think the reason some supporters want foreign team to win in European games is simply down to the fact that many supporters have had a lifetime to develop reasons to 'hate' other clubs through regional rivalries, particular games or incidents down the years. When that club then comes up against some Johnny-foreigner team they don't know much about or have any reasons to dislike, then it is easier to support them.

    But put Man U against Galatasaray and you can bet that most Leeds fans would side with Man U - just because they have more reason to *hate* the Turks.

    Posted 3 years ago #
18. Talkemada - Blocked

    I think Nani looks a little bit like an early 80's Michael Jackson.

    Posted 3 years ago #
19. deadlydarcy - Member

    No, not at all. I'm from B'ham and support Villa.

    Ooops..apologies tm...thought you were a Utd fan. Villa were my dad's team for some bizarre reason.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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