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There's some weird stuff on this tread but nothing is as weird as Ernie having named his cat after himself.
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I killed my dog last night to try chewkw's experiment.
I'm still awaiting the waft of Old Spice...Posted 5 months ago # -
Last night, I shot my two cats wth a Miroku O/U. My wife has left me and I'm in custody with a bottle of Jazz up my ass.
Merry Xmas.
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I am right up for testing this theory. I'll let the dog live a natural life but I'm quite happy to kill the cats now. They leach of us anyway and only pretend they like us at feeding times so it'll be easy to keep the testing period to set times.
All in the name of science. Here pussy pussy.
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Last night, I shot my two cats wth a Miroku O/U. My wife has left me and I'm in custody with a bottle of Jazz up my ass.
Hope so it's the least you deserve for owning a Miroku, have some decency man.
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Has it worked if I just smell one of her farts? (although they do kind of cling to the curtains and furniture, so I guess that might just be a lingerer)
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"science" is not about Truth but just another interpretation of our human world view
But science is systematic, observable, reliable, repeatable and more importantly testable within our current understanding of the universe.
A ghost cat on the end of your bed, however real to the person who saw it, is certainly none of the above, especially testable; it is a matter of faith, of which I have none unless the subject matter is systematic, observable, reliable, repeatable and testable.
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BenHouldsworth, you could not be more right. But you might as well bash your head against a wall, you'll not convince those who misunderstand or mistrust science, or have an unshakeable (if irrational) faith in something that no one can ever put to the test.
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But science is systematic, observable, reliable, repeatable and more importantly testable within our current understanding of the universe.
Although I well understand this, science does not progress in this manner. Many scientific "discoveries" were in fact new perceptions of meaning, i.e. new ways of understanding the same data coming in through the senses. When Galileo looked through his telescope, he did not "see" mountains on the moon. He had to come to this conclusion after many observations. Our "seeing" is not purely sensory, it is loaded with our conceptual understanding of the world. Therefore the statement above, as interpreted by many scientists, can be regarded as "naive empiricism".
This problem of interpreting the world through our senses, while also considering them as unreliable, leads us to many disputes in science as people have many different ways of interpreting facts.
Therefore I agree with BenHoldsworth, although the problem of course is people interpret science through many many world views, paradigms, assumptions and metaphysics, you name it. This is a huge problem for science.
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For the intelligent on here trying to convince the gullible, stop. Instead realise that there is a world of people out there who need exploiting and relieving of their cash. Put your efforts into that it'll be a lot more productive. Embrace the mystical and get rich - I think there may be at least one person on here who has already started on that plan.
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BenHouldsworth - Member
"science" is not about Truth but just another interpretation of our human world view
But science is systematic, observable, reliable, repeatable and more importantly testable within our current understanding of the universe
"science" is not a thing it is a method - and as a method it has boundaries and limitations, I fully agree (as a working scientist for the last 25 years) that for many phenomena & systems scientific method provides a satisfactory analysis and interpretation.
But there are situations it does not "cope" with, either because of technical limitations, the low frequency of occurence of the phenomena it is trying to evaluate, or simply because the system trying to be studied is not sufficently defined to be quantitatively analysed.I'm far from "anti science" but do recognise that not all situations are evaluable using "scientific method" and the use of the term "scientific" to imply 100% reliable and accurate is a fundamental misunderstanding, all IMO of course......
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all situations are evaluable using "scientific method" and the use of the term "scientific" to imply 100% reliable and accurate is a fundamental misunderstanding
I fully agree but the joy of scientists is that they will continue to search for the answers and explainations rather than find them in ancient scripture and ritual.
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BenHouldsworth - Member
....the joy of scientists is that they will continue to search for the answers and explainations rather than find them in ancient scripture and ritual
And the sadness of scientists is that if they do find new answers and explanations, they often have to modify them to comply with the beliefs of their reviewing peers who still are reading those ancient scriptures.......
.......well maybe 10 year old papers rather than ancient scriptures
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The problem with posting anything on this forum about spirituality is that the majority of STW'ers are techies and have a scientific/technical background (this is not a criticism, just my viewpoint) and feel that everything has to have a rational explanation.
How do you explain something that is beyond the comprehension of mankind?
There are a number of enlightened beings who have incarnated on this earth over time (and yes i include Jesus as one of those beings) who have tried to teach us about spirituality but we often distort the teachings (and make up different religions) when the reality is that, it just is.
Stop searching externally and look inwards, because all the answers are there, all you need to do is to accept and trust.
Philosophical lesson over. Love and peace.Posted 5 months ago # -
There is a lady in my work who insists that her house is haunted because a pint glass in her kitchen spontaneously shattered. I explained to her that it is a common and know phenomenon for toughened or tempered glass to spontaneously shatter, but she wasn't convinced.
Some people are determined to find a supernatural explanation and will ignore rational alternatives. No wonder there are so many charlatans making bucket loads of cash.
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How do you explain something that is beyond the comprehension of mankind?
Huh?
Not getting involved just
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all you need to do is to accept and trust.
Oh dear. I bet that's what David Koresh used to say.
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in the passed in my house ive seen a wierd mist a couple of times very unexplainable
it's call guff
we can usually explain it as being due to excessive consumption of eccles cakes.
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Oh dear. I bet that's what David Koresh used to say.
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How do you explain something that is beyond the comprehension of mankind?
You don't. You say "I don't understand that", and then you try and figure it out. What you don't do is make stuff up.
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There's some weird stuff on this tread but nothing is as weird as Ernie having named his cat after himself.
Yep kinda weird, but just a happy coincidence - there's no connection between my username and the name of my beloved deceased cat. Upon acquiring two kittens my gf's 7 year old daughter suggested calling one Ian, "that's a ridiculous name for a cat" I said, "you might as well call him Eric" (of monty python fame). And so it was that he was named Eric, and his brother of course became Ernie. And they truly proved to be a comedy double act. My username on the other hand is simply to prove that there is life after death.
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Wouldn't it be lovely if we all lived forever in a state of eternal bliss with access to all our loved ones and able to understand all of the deepest secrets of existence?
But we don't. We die and rot.
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simonralli2 - Member
Well here we go.I joined a Spiritualist Church group and have undergone training in being a medium.
Training... is it just a single lesson, or like a once a week thing for say 6 weeks. How much does it cost, do you have to be assessed beforehand to see if you 'have it'. Is there discount for being a Church member.
What will you do with your newly discovered skill that you have been 'given' ?
Are you not allowed to use it until you have your certificate ?
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if only I'd soaked my P11D's in Old Spice, maybe the gits in the tax office would have more luck in finding them.
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LOL! So you men of science your clock is ticking and you will turn carbon in future... what next? That is the end you know. End. Fertiliser. Eaten by maggots.
Also the basic experiment that I have suggested is not complicated really as I am sure you know how to eliminate sample bias.
Or are your rational thoughts blocking your ability to carry out this simple experiment?
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I believe in a thing called love.. It ain't rational but it gives meaning to my existence and guides my actions. Maybe you don't need this crutch to cope with life's trauma and to be a good person? That's nice. But I do.
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LOL! So you men of science your clock is ticking and you will turn carbon in future... what next? That is the end you know. End. Fertiliser. Eaten by maggots
What's wrong with that?
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iDave - Member
What's wrong with that?
What's next? i.e. after turning carbon.
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What's next? i.e. after turning carbon.
Does it matter? Why do we need to think there's something beyond decay? Can't we just be glad we were alive and then shuffle off?
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iDave - Member
Does it matter? Why do we need to think there's something beyond decay? Can't we just be glad we were alive and then shuffle off?
More precisely what do you do if you know you're dying and before turning carbon? What sort of arrangement do you have in place prior to your death and why?
Bloody hell ... watching Black Mirror and trying to type is not easy ...Posted 5 months ago # -
More precisely what do you do if you know you're dying and before turning carbon? What sort of arrangement do you have in place prior to your death and why?
I'll put an order in for a skip to be sent round my house. Throw me in once I've stiffed it, chuck any crap my family no longer need on top of that. I'll be dead, I won't care.
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Upon acquiring two kittens my gf's 7 year old daughter suggested calling one Ian, "that's a ridiculous name for a cat" I said
Oi! It's a **** awesome name for a cat! Up there with Colin.
The cat that has taken up residence in my house doesn't have a name. A combination of not telling me what it's name is, and it no doubt ignoring any name I might give it.
Sometimes it seems to see things in the room that I don't.
Mostly mice.Posted 5 months ago # -
What's next? i.e. after turning carbon.
Oil ! I want to be turned into crude oil !
It would be my way of putting something back into the environment.
You've gotta think of the environment.
Either that or turned into diamond. And used as on a diamond tipped drill.
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