Sturgeon will. She is also able to say that ( to paraphrase) ” this is a very difficult issue, my personal feelings are this, I will consult with others look at the evidence and come to a decision” This is one of the things she is admired for.

what experience did Blair have? Cameron? Gideon? Clegg?

Not much, but at least they didn’t wait until they were pensionable before applying for the job after a lifetime of being ineffectual.

Nice to see a man of principle.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/16/jeremy-corbyn-floor-three-hour-train-journey-london-newcastle

Alternatively it merely indicates that the shambolic git is too disorganised to have booked a seat…

what experience did Blair have? Cameron? Gideon? Clegg?

The experience they didn’t have was of a lifetime of being a failure pushing ideologies which were proven to fail when the Berlin Wall fell.

They did however prove themselves to be smarter than average:

Tony Blair – Degree in Jurisprudence from Oxford
David Cameron – First class honours – PPE from Oxford
…

Jeremy Corbyn – 2 E’ at A-level. Might have taken a bus trip round Oxford, dropped out of a course on trade union studies after being an argumentalist with his tutor.

Alternatively it merely indicates that the shambolic git is too disorganised to have booked a seat…

Video was recorded by a film maker travelling with him so he may not be comoletely stupid.

Interesting that Osborne is called Gideon but Brown is never referred to as James.

dragon – Member

Corbyn clearly hasn’t changed his opinion on anything in 40 years, despite the evidence that he is wrong on many accounts.

What are you some sort of expert on Corbyn who knows for a fact that he “hasn’t changed his opinion on anything in 40 years” ?

Corbyn is well known for saying “I’ve never met anyone who hasn’t been able to teach something”, so apart from anything else it’s fairly unlikely that he has exactly the same opinions today as he had 40 years ago.

And he has been proved right on quite a number of issues. He was right about Apartheid South Africa – unlike the Tories who claimed that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. He was right when he claimed that gay men and women had the right to be treated equal – the Tories were wrong about Section 28. He was right about the need for more social/affordable housing – the Tories/New Labour were wrong about leaving housing to the markets. He was right to say that there needed to be a political solution to the problems of Northern Ireland – the Tories/Old Labour were wrong to believe that there could be a military solution. He was right to claim that the banks/finance sectors shouldn’t be left unregulated – the Tories/New Labour were wrong to claim that “light touch” regulation was all that was needed. He was right to oppose the privatisation of the railways – the Tories were wrong to claim that privatisation would be cheaper and reduce prices for customers. He was right that the UK shouldn’t adopt the Euro – federalist Tories/Labour/LibDens were wrong to claim that we should embrace it. He was right to claim that PFI in the NHS would be a costly mistake – New Labour were wrong to claim that it would provide value for money. He was right to call for a democratic secular Britian – the Tories/New Labour/LibDems were wrong to claim that a feudal House of Lords was democratic and that the head of the Church of England opening parliament was acceptable. He was right to oppose the Iraq War – the Tories/New Labour were wrong to claim that it would bring peace and stability to the region.

OK I’m getting bored now, that lot’s from the top of my head, but you get the picture – Corybn has been proved right quite a lot, yet despite the evidence, as you say, you want to pretend that he hasn’t been. Let me guess dragon……..you vote Tory ?

Interesting that Osborne is called Gideon but Brown is never referred to as James.

Probably because it would be confusing to call Gordon Brown “James”.

I call George Osborne “Osborne” and Gordon Brown “Brown”. And Jeremy Corbyn “Corbyn”. I find that it avoids a lot of confusion.

CFH – Its a cheap dig I agree but Gideon only changed the name he used when he came into politics to sound less posh. Whereas Gordon or James – makes little difference to poshness and IIRC he always went under the name Gordon

He was in Matlock this afternoon, the Derbyshire Dales isn’t exactly a hotbed of socialism

Admittedly from Wiki, but….

George Osborne was born in Paddington, London,[1] as Gideon Oliver;[2] he changed his name to George when he was 13. In an interview in July 2005, Osborne said: “It was my small act of rebellion. I never liked it. When I finally told my mother she said, ‘Nor do I’. So I decided to be George after my grandfather, who was a war hero. Life was easier as a George; it was a straightforward name.”

He was right about Apartheid South Africa – unlike the Tories who claimed that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

Funny, when you read what people who were there, like Pik Botha have to say, it seems she had a hell of a lot more impact in ending Apartheid than some beardy **** holding a placard in London

http://www.commonwealthoralhistories.org/2015/interview-with-rf-pik-botha/

(Ps. Nelson was a terrorist, and a Communist too)

tjagain – Member

Whereas Gordon or James – makes little difference to poshness

Rubbish.

Can you imagine “Oh…….Gordon”

“Gordon Bond” lol

Fair enough CFH.

ninfan – Member
He was right about Apartheid South Africa – unlike the Tories who claimed that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.
Funny, when you read what people who were there, like Pik Botha have to say, it seems she had a hell of a lot more impact in ending Apartheid than some beardy **** holding a placard in London

And your point is? Corbyn did less than somebody else? Is Pik Botha a Tory? or a Lib Dem? I don’t get the comparison.

Interestingly Ernie – IN Scotland Gordon would usually be seen as the posher name. Or should I call you Earnest?

And your point is? Corbyn did less than somebody else?

You see, thats the difference between the politics of power, and the politics of protest – in one of the two, you actually get to make a difference.

Its interesting that Ernie also used Section 28 as an example. Who got rid of that I wonder? 😳 You see, once again – by winning an election Labour achieved something that all the protesting by people like Jezza never managed to achieve.

Again, the politics of power rather than the politics of protest 😉

Corbyn clearly hasn’t changed his opinion on anything in 40 years, despite the evidence that he is wrong on many accounts.

on the contrary, this man of conviction became a man of compromise within 24 hours of winning the leadership election. He can flip flop with the best of the – dear Nicola included

But getting back to the Great British public who these guys are supposed to represent, tonight’s Evening Standards suggests that they have been infiltrated by Blairites B**tards…

Who would make the best leader – Jezza 42%, Smithy 58%
Who would make the best PM – Jezza 38% Smithy 62%
30% would be less likely to vote Labour with Jezza in charge
Voters who voted labour last time – evens
Voters who didnt – Smithy

Honestly, what is wrong with these people…..? What is about old Jezza that they dont get?

Lesson from the Lib Dems – moving from protest to power can be a difficult and dangerous transition. One is easy and without consequence, the other…..

Its interesting that Ernie also used Section 28 as an example. Who got rid of that I wonder?

Brilliant. Ninfan emphasizes the very point I made. Eventually other people accept what Corbyn had been saying all along. I think NI is a better example though, even the Tories eventually accepted the need to talk to terrorists. Or find a “political solution” as they preferred to call it.

Ninfan even emphasized Corbyn’s commitment to a Labour government, at least I think that’s what he did. Certainly 30 years as a Labour MP shows some commitment.

Eventually other people accept what Corbyn had been saying all along.

I dont recall the Labour Party ever being pro Section 28

the issue is that they couldn’t do anything about it until they actually won an election

Which is presumably why Corbyn has spent the last 30 years standing (and winning) as a Labour candidate.

Thank you once again ninfan. I appreciate it but I think the point has now been thoroughly made – no need to keep emphasizing it.

Interestingly – Section 28 remained massively popular amongst the conservative party membership.

Which shows just how bloody silly it is to listen to the party faithful if you want to get elected

Just seen the train stunt. So Corbyn wants more trains but is unaware of capacity issues. Does he really think train operators hold back trains just to make the others overly busy.

Its not a stunt. He uses public transport all the time. Cheapest he can. Its called principles. Something Tories know little about.

He uses public transport all the time. Cheapest he can

Since he was on labour party business rather than MP business, his trip to Newcastle and back, if completed by car, would have generated a mileage claim (@45p per mile HMRC rate) of £264 (293 miles each way)

A standard Anytime Return ticket London to Newcastle costs £276

we also know that he was not travelling on his own, showing clearly he is not, after all, using the cheapest option, as you had claimed.

What about his OAP Railcard?

1/3 discount wouldn’t cancel out the people (at least one that we know of) traveling with him contributing equal share of petrol costs

And why would he not use the cheapest ticket? anytime return is not the cheapest. Can be done for well under £200 and if booked ahead £50

Unlike tories and some labour MPS he dopes not claim ludicrous expenses. Do you think he paid the film crews fares out of labour party funds?

edit. misread the thingy. could be done for under £200 tomorrow, booked ahead £102

dragon – Member

Does he really think train operators hold back trains just to make the others overly busy.

I think Jeremy Corbyn knows quite a bit about railways, it’s one of his obsessions – he’s bit of a train geek. Do I think you wouldn’t criticize anything that Corbyn says…..no.

Infact could be done tomorrow return for just over £100.

ninfan – Member

Since he was on labour party business rather than MP business, his trip to Newcastle and back, if completed by car, would have generated a mileage claim (@45p per mile HMRC rate) of £264 (293 miles each way)

A standard Anytime Return ticket London to Newcastle costs £276

I can’t believe that you have actually gone to the bother of working all of that out ! How sad is that ffs ? 😆

And who do you think you’ve convinced ?

booked ahead

In which case he would have had a bloody seat wouldn’t he 🙄

And who do you think you’ve convinced ?

I’m sorry was I working out the “45p per mile HMRC rate” Flashheart ? 😆

Which is better for the environment?

Corbyn finally playing the media game?

If he knows do much about trains why does he think you can just add more to an already full network?

Is it principles or is it just that labour ate skint?

Of course you can add more.

If he knows do much about trains

Well he probably knows more about trains than you do ….. but I don’t know…..what do you know about trains?

Personally I know bugger all about running a railway.

My opinions on the matter are based on who I trust. And I suspect it’s exactly the same for you.

According to social media this evening, there are folk out there who genuinely believe that this wasn’t a stunt. Incredible what politicians get away with these days!!!

I think Jeremy Corbyn knows quite a bit about railways, it’s one of his obsessions – he’s bit of a train geek.

You would think the he would understand basics like booking a seat on busy lines. Most people get that and they are not vying for an important job. Good job with such lack of understanding the he is not proposing getting involved with running trains. Imagine that……?

Wow even THM thinks it wasn’t a stunt!