He’s stood by and watched UKIP become, in the former labour ‘heartlands’ of the North, what the SNP have become in Scotland.

Can a pro EU party offer these regions anything they actually want?

As far as I can see they’d rather starve to death than accept immigrants.

😀 sadly

It’s clear that the Socialist Worker’s Part…. sorry, Labour Party is only interested in turning itself into an ideologically pure flag-waver for the “left”. I expect that, following the second triumph for Comrade Jeremy,the membership will open up to include all the other rag-bag of navel gazers from across the spectrum of Maoists, Trotskyites, Stalinists and so on who can then tie the Party up in years of wrangling amongst themselves about which bit of the left is the proper bit of the left, whilst in the meantime, the Conservative Party have a free pass to govern the country far into the future because middle England, as it showed last time, will only vote for The Labour Party if it attaches the word “New” and is headed by a plausible snake oil salesman. The anti-Corbynistas will probably have to decide between a SDP 2.0 or joining the Liberals.

AlexSimon – Member

So the main criticism of JC seems to have become ‘because he can’t win’ or ‘because he isn’t a good leader’.
So name me someone in the country who has similar socialist values that can win?
When you realise there isn’t one, you realise that criticism of JC on those grounds is pointless.Agreed that it’s pointless to criticise the ‘job’ JC is doing of leading the labour party. Like, if you all agreed to put George from Rainbow in charge of something, you don’t then get to turn around and say ‘I can’t believe what a bad job this guy is doing’.
You can, though, criticise his personal lack of leadership. This has been a real surprise for me. For a reputedly kind, fair-minded and good-humoured man, he does an excellent impression of a bitter, curmudgeonly arl ****. Horrible communicator.

As many have said, it just shows the absolute sterility of protest ‘politics’. 30 years of JC spent saying no to everything means he’s no longer a politician, if he ever was in the first place, and can’t get anything done.

Much as I hate to agree with you Wopster – you’re absolutely on the money! Sadly!

As the Tory party veers rabidly to the right, there lies a golden opportunity for a centrist party to build up a Blair style hegamony for a few terms.

And the PLP sees this. But what does Jeremy see.? Obviously not this. He thinks what the country is crying out for is some leftist socaialist workers party. The fact that the electorate has consistently rejected this is a minor ssue of no consequence. Like I said earlier – The Corbynites need to start seeing the world as it actually is, rather than how they’d like it to be from their 6th form common room bunker.

The PLP sees that Corbyn stands as a hulking great 1970’s style roadblock to the greatest electoral opportunity it has had since 1997

As far as workable government in what will remain of the UK is concerned, he’s irrelevant and has brought his Party along with him to that happy state.

He’s already in the past.

Sorry, binners. I’m sure the coming years of internal arguments will keep ernie engaged, though. 😉

As the Tory party veers rabidly to the right, there lies a golden opportunity for a centrist party to build up a Blair style hegamony for a few terms.

Surely that is now the LibDems?

Although that hasn’y worked out too well either….

The far left want to turn the Labour Party into something it is not interested in becoming, its moved on and understood winning elections is not possible with a hard left agenda. Those on the far left are well aware that any new party is doomed to long term isolation, for the same reason the Blairites aren’t going to break away. The Labour Party is going to be the party of the left. As we’ve seen in Scotland Labour’s demise has lead to the rise of a centre/centre right party in the SNP who talk a lefty game but olay in the centre/centre right

True- Cleggy must be turning in his political grave right now.

Wrong time, wrong place – the quick path to power is not always the best!!

@footflaps Lib Dems are mortally wounded – they have become a party of local government, the parosh council. Tories will continue to broaden mixing minimum/living wage increases with higher personal allowance with Brexit opening horizons to the East. The Tories know how to win they will not vacate the centre ground and aloow easy pickings for Labour/Lib Dems

Wrong time, wrong place – the quick path to power is not always the best!!

Sold his party out for a Referendum on a “grubby little compromse” 😐

The Tories know how to win they will not vacate the centre ground and aloow easy pickings for Labour/Lib Dems

Have you been on Holiday for a couple of weeks Jammers? You not noticed which right wing tail is presently wagging the Tory dog?

Just because you don’t regard rabid anti-EU/we hate everyone rhetoric as particularly right wing, doesn’t mean anyone else shares your opinion

Apart from Bill Cash, and John Redwood, obviously.

What the Tory party is engaged in at the moment could not in anyones book be described as the “Centre Ground’. They’ve just kicked the ‘Centre Ground’ out. He resigned last Friday. And his allies will shortly be purged from the front bench. How attractive to centrist voters do you think thats going to look once IDS gets the ‘Nasty Party’ back into full swing, without the Daves to reign him in?

Jambas – your confidence may well be misplaced. The Tories are in a mess – torn apart on Europe and with a new leadership team who will fail to deliver on the lies promises that got them to their new roles. That this is being hidden is simply a reflection of the astonishing own-goal being scored by the opposition whose disarray is the only thing that makes the Tories “appear” in good shape.

This is very difficult. I’ve already put on record my view that Corbyn should step aside. But Angela ******* Eagle? Are we really going through all this pain for Angela Eagle?

A couple of points…

1. However much labour MPs and people think Corbyn is useless, you still have to respect the wishes of labour members.

2. The failure of labour to engage working class voters in the north goes much further back than Corbyn so he can’t really be blamed. I’m not sure how anyone could expect him to win back the idiots in the north (which I’m now calling them after the brexit vote) in 9 months.

3. He may have been ineffectual but you have to look at this in the context of working against a biased media and more importantly a PLP which has consistently worked against him at every turn. How anyone could do anything remotely like a competent job in this environment is beyond me.

1) and 2) Points well made @dazh

As for 3 the BBC is clearly left leaning

As for the Brexit vote in the North thats related to 2). Labour recognised immigration was a problem but quashed campaigning on that at GE 2015. Maybe Corbyn can win them back by confirming he voted Leave 😉

I’d agree on that Daz. If the labour party thinks merely changing leader – again -will change their electoral fortunes, they’re living on planet penis.

The whole party needs fundamental reform, from the ground up. But thats not going to happen under Comrade Corbyn. The first step has to be ushering him back onto the backbenches he should never have left.

As for 3 the BBC is clearly left leaning

Bloody communists!!!!!

As for 3 the BBC is clearly left leaning

No it really isn’t.

And in the case of the brexit it has focused on the leave campaigners, because they are “characters”. The BBC now very much concentrates on “magazine journalism” it has moved very far from its journalistic roots (or had them poisoned).

This is very difficult. I’ve already put on record my view that Corbyn should step aside. But Angela ******* Eagle? Are we really going through all this pain for Angela Eagle?

what’s the expression – you couldn’t make…… 🙂

But the Eagle hasn’t landed yet – more names to come surely?

He may have been ineffectual but you have to look at this in the context of working against a biased media and more importantly a PLP which has consistently worked against him at every turn. How anyone could do anything remotely like a competent job in this environment is beyond me.

(partly) True – he was doomed from the start. That WAS obvious.

A lot of shouting coming from binners but not many ideas….

Pat Glass has resigned. 8 hours into the job…

In the world of 24 hour news, hasn’t journalism been replaced by reporting.

Most articles share the same text and the same source and genuine analysis is lightweight at best – note the rise of Peston and Kooneyhtingamijibb.

The beeb isn’t biased. They are against everyone – haven’t you noticed?!?

To be fair, we’ve all had practical jokes – ones that seemed like a good idea for a brief, silly moment – go wrong.

We’ve just witnessed one of Dave’s. The labour party is presently just trying to bring theirs to an end. Dave’s might take a bit longer to sort

Pat Glass has resigned. 8 hours into the job…

😯

MSP Characters, Gove and Grayling 😉 ?

Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media (and he is even better in person) Cameron and especially Osbourne are reltively hopeless. When the Beeb gave Corbyn a platform he scored a massive own-goal (or not 🙂 )

Jammers….. Whats it like, being you?

Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media

I can’t shake the suspicion that you think that is a good thing 🙁

Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media

Totally irrelevant.

Most articles share the same text and the same source and genuine analysis is lightweight at best

It’s true, best go watch Spotlight to remind us what journalism is.

I know that your natural allies thwap themselves dizzy when Bozza appears, Jammers

Don’t be foolish enough to think that everyone thinks he’s great. Ask everyone on Merseyside what they think of him, for example?

Actually …. – scratch that – please do get the mop-headed cockwomble to front everything. Then get him to call a general election. Then we could do a re-run of the Gordon Brown premiership

Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media

Actually having worked with him ‘in the media’ – he’s a class a **** to work with.

Emily Thornberry on The Sunday Politics currently arguing against the idea that Corbyn’s stance is just rhetoric with…. more rhetoric.

In a Trumpesque world, Bojo’s communication skills are perfect. Bluff and bluster, focus on the end and dont worry about the means, its about #1 after all.

I have been relatively agnostic about Dave – largely because he seems an enigma and difficult to understand what he really believes/believed in – but since the end of last week, I think is communication skills have been excellent, especially in the HoC where it would have been so easy to rise to the bait and/or simply say “I told you so.”

Compare the relative statesman-ship between Dave and Farrage. Why is one largely respected and one (still) laughed at (except in his own very little world)

Emma Lewell-Buck (whoever she was) has gone as well!

In a mildly amusing antidote according to Wikipedia she is a direct descendant of the inventor of the lifeboat. 😆

London has turned on Bojo

it wont take long to oust him in the provinces, the last thing the country needs is another old etonian driven assault on the poor, look at the mess that has got us in

more names to come surely?

You would hope so. They can’t really be willing to destroy the party for either Angela Eagle or Tom Watson? Can they?

I know very little about her, but I still keep thinking Heidi Alexander. Her voting record is sound, she’s no blairite, and she’s repeatedly eviscerated Jeremy *unt at the despatch box. She’s also a woman, which is no bad thing. Lewisham MP though, so she’s fails binners’ salt-of-the-earth-northerner test.

London has turned on Bojo

it wont take long to oust him in the provinces, the last thing the country needs is another old etonian driven assault on the poor, look at the mess that has got us in

BBC is clearly left leaning

You would do well to separate the BBC and BBC current affairs.

And then a token snatch of BBC Breakfast would soon fill your wine glass with the safe business reporting which pretty much outlines its leanings.

It’s MOR – it’s not left.

PMQ’s about to start. Should be interesting….

But that Andrew Neil is a dreadful communist.

Order!