http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/poor-children-seen-as-worthless-rotherham-abuse-scandal

And another decent commentary.

I thought that too Tom.

Why, did he break the grooming story?

For the record, I don’t believe in shape shifting lizards, and this article is questionable, but interesting nonetheless:

http://humansarefree.com/2014/04/7-predictions-of-david-icke-that-came.html

I think the concentration on the racial dimension is obscuring the more important element here: Class.

We need to stop focussing on the race of the perpetrators, and start focussing on the class of the victims

Do you think that 1400 nice, middle class kids, from nice areas, would be allowed to be abused? Of course they bloody wouldn’t! These kids were effectively abandoned to their fate by authorities who regarded them with almost subhuman contempt. These kids were poor. They were the ‘underclass’. They were unworthy of the care of the state, or the authorities, who simply washed their hands of them, or at points actively persecuted them. Same as they did in Rochdale.

Some men, asian or white, or black, or whatever, are sadistic sexual predators. They have radar that picks up on kids who are available to them, as they have no protection. And they target them and exploit them.

I do think there is a problem from a racial point of view. As we have an ethnic group who’s culture and religion tells them that ALL women are second class, and their inferiors. ALL females to them fall in varying degrees of importance, from not-very-important at the top, and descending from there.

How do we address that? I haven’t a clue. Its endemic in large parts of the culture.

But these men did what that did because they were primarily opportunists. They spotted the complete failure of the white, middle class civic, and judicial society to give a flying **** about what they now regard as an underclass, due to years of dehumanising, demonising, and vitriolic chastising, by successive governments and a truly vile right wing press. Who ironically are now outraged at this state of affairs.

Race is an issue here, sure. But its class that is the root cause of this problem. And thats what needs to be addressed here! And fast!

http://www.easterneye.eu/news/uk-news/Vulnerable+Asian+girls+targeted+by+sex+grooming+gangs++/2858

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612

Zlakha Ahmed, from the organisation Apna Haq which supports Asian women and children facing violence in the home, said there has been a long-standing problem of Asian girls suffering abuse.

She said: “The report’s not come as a shock to me in terms that we’ve known about these issues for a number of years now.

“They follow the exact same model as the report that’s been released; the difference is that the victims are Asian Muslim young girls and the perpetrators have been Muslim Pakistani men.

“It’s just a pattern of abuse that’s being repeated with another set of vulnerable girls.”

Prof Jay reported: “Pakistani-heritage girls were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside school gates.

“The women and girls feared reporting such incidents to the police because it would affect their future marriage prospects.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416586/Gangs-Asian-men-grooming-MUSLIM-girls-plying-drink-drugs.html

It’s not hard to work out that it’s harder for girls to speak out when they come from a community that’s cut off from the rest of the country culturally. The same happened with other institutions and cultures that can cut themselves off from authorities, such as the vatican.

A 10er says that no one will bother trying to investigate these claims though.

What I was trying to say earlier and what the torygraph article I linked to said in a more moderate fashion. That we risk ignoring the plain incompetence of the police and council by focusing on the “PC” element.

They don’t even need to stonewall the police, the fact that they are heavily religious will see to it that most girls don’t speak out. Even if their parents would want to know and report to the police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612

See video, who talked to Pakistani community about racism? It seems no one did and the council just assumed they would be accused of racism, I still think it’s a major cop out and as Binners mentioned above….a cover for the fact that the council and police were prejudiced against the working classes.

From the report:

There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the Pakistani-heritage community.

The Deputy Council Leader (2011-2014) from the Pakistani-heritage community was clear that he had not understood the scale of the CSE problem in Rotherham until 2013. He then disagreed with colleague elected members on the way to approach it. He had advocated taking the issue ‘head on’ but had been overruled. He was one of the elected members who said they thought the criminal convictions in 2010 were ‘a one-off, isolated case’, and not an example of a more deep-rooted problem of Pakistani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls. This was at best naïve, and at worst ignoring a politically inconvenient truth.

So … much like going to see a priest to discuss how to tackle the problem of child abuse in the indigenous white community. Sounds like a great idea! Thats exactly who I’d be looking too to provide the solutions to complex social problems

To be specific, if I suspect someone of murder, but do nothing about it, the law cannot prosecute me for murder. I may be prosecuted for other things, but not for that act.

You don’t think pc has anything to do with it, Tom dedicated most of his energies on this thread trying to prove the filthy animals behaviour was in no way race related or motivated.

Most ironic.

Try imagining being locked in a back room with a bunch of men about to tear you a new.

And realise the true horror of what has gone on and how badly these children have been failed .

How do you know they’re not outraged by any of the things you’ve posted?

Gurniad reporting there may be an issue with SYP – big shock after Orgreave and Hillsborough – do some folk live completely disconnected from reality?!

“South Yorkshire police was under further pressure today after an audit by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) concluded that officers in its public protection unit spent “a great deal deal of time trying to disprove” victims’ allegations.”

“…inspectors had examined 53 reports to South Yorkshire’s specialist departments. Out of those, 34 crimes should have been recorded – but only 18 were, the report said. Of these 18 crimes, eight fell outside the 72-hour limit allowed to record incidents.”

Hard to make this stuff up! That’s less than 1 in 3.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/south-yorkshire-police-hmic-report-rotherham

Really!

I think Binners has an interesting point about the class of the girls who were abused.

Going back to the riots in Bradford,this was done as a statement to say to the authorities to keep out of ” our ” areas.From that point police and politicians were scared to speak out about the criminality within the Asian parts of the city because of the fear of civil unrest.
The rest of the population could see this and that encourages resentment.
I’ve personally spoken to police officers who would turn a blind eye to motoring offences due to the ” you’ve only stopped me because you’re a racist” reply .
Luckily i moved away , together with my brother and many friends.

@binners, I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion with regard to class. IMO middle class kids would be less likely to be in a care home in the first place so would there be less likely to have been abused.

@barnsley, you are right in one regard that this sort of incident does play into the hands of the “right” and this is where the “left” does a great disservice to those it represents, where the political correctness backfires spectacularly. This is an example where the best way to fight racism is to do the right thing when these incidents arise as to ignore them creates a far bigger issue in the future.

@ninfan, It was worth reading that. Thank you.

jambalaya – I’m not disputing that middle class kids don’t end up in care. What I’m saying is that the white working class (or underclass) have been demonised to such a degree – they’re now the only legitimate target for vitriol that doesn’t have an ‘ism’ at the end of it. So the ‘chavs’ are fair game for any manner of abuse

This is a direct result of a constant barrage of vitriolic bile spewed at them from politicians, the authorities and the media. And what we’re seeing here is the end result. Some ‘chav’ girl – or 1400+ of them – are not considered important enough that the authorities would bother themselves stopping them being brutally gang-raped and trafficked. What the hell does that say about us as a society?

Mrs Binners has mentored young girls who’ve been the victim of exactly this type of abuse. These girls are troubled, violent and difficult – as you bloody would be if you’d been through what they’ve been through. And its left entirely to the charity sector to pick up the pieces, because the authorities don’t want to know! They genuinely don’t. They’re just considered too much trouble.

And that is entirely down to the issue of class, and the nice middle class civic leaders not wanting to have to deal with the problems of the underclass. I’m sure the ‘Head of Childrens Services’ spent more of his time worring about the supply of sports equipment to tennis clubs in leafy suburbs than he did about these girls. That much seems pretty obvious. Hence even now his total lack of concern, or even acknowledgement. The attitude is endemic!

Its a shocking indictment of the society we live in. Make no mistake. These girls were abandoned to their fate. Seen as almost deserving of it! By a middle class that is trying to insulate itself from them!

@binners, consider the following viewpoint. Its primarily the working class who have let down their fellow citizens here (I classify police officers and social service professionals as working class but you may not). I don’t see a link to the media or politicians, the reality is the rank and file people where afraid of being accused of being racist so they did nothing. By the time the issue got to “civic leaders” it was well and truley engrained and totally out of hand and it was here that the political correctness dial was a full volume.

I think these young people have been very badly let down, I don’t see how someone who was at the center of the issue can be earning £85,000 from the state and remain in a position of influence.

I hope what comes out of this is a police investigation conducted by another force and a significant number of convictions.

Meaning ? I am totally lost. I see not one thing from @binnner’s post that would lead to the police and social services ignoring this.