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Yoga/Flexibility for slouchy, stiff-backed, middle-aged desk jockeys
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1IHNFull Member
I have this, er, mate, right, who spannered his back a bit pushing the hoover round on Saturday. It feels like, er, he, has pulled something in the small of his back. It’s getting better slowly and it’ll be fine with a bit of time, but it’s a bit of a wake up call to, er, him, that he needs to start taking a bit more care of such things given his recent half century, twenty five years of which have been spent sitting/slouching in front of a screen.
So, what I think, er, he, is after is a 10/15 minute daily set of stretches to keep things loosened up, and some kind of beginners yoga series on YouTube (I guess) to do a couple of times a week(?)
Anyway, er, he, would be grateful for thoughts/advice/experience.
1kimbersFull Memberits definitely for mtbers because shes doing it in front of a sanatcruz
2MoreCashThanDashFull MemberMy friend, who is a slightly older vintage and who spannered his back over 30 years ago, quite likes this as a short mobility routine:
For a longer basic yoga session, I believe he finds this a decent intro:
1finbarFree MemberOriginal 12 Minutes of Foundation Training with Dr. Eric Goodman
I can’t recommend this highly enough. It’s more about lower back strength rather than flexibility, but all zero impact bodyweight stuff.
1thisisnotaspoonFree MemberYes, do something.
But (your “mate” should) consider seeing a physio as well. Hip back issues can be difficult to DIY diagnose and fix because several different things can cause the same problem, and the solutions can be the exact reverse.
e.g. short hip flexors, maybe they need a stretch and to work on some glute strength to pull them out a bit. Or maybe they’re actually just weak and compensating for that by remaining short where they can maximize their limited strength, in which case you should be strengthening them.
A bit of yoga (probably) won’t do any harm, but there’s plenty of videos titled something like “hip strength and mobility workouts” which might be more specific.
For “core” strength just KISS, work round it logically, do supermans (lie face down arms at your side, and pull your shoulder blades down, tense your glutes to lift your feet up until your shoulders and legs are off the floor, hold as long as possible (30-40s max, the benefit of doing longer runs out quite quickly past 20s) rest and repeat for 5-10s more in total each day. Once you get to about 5x30s, make it harder by doing a superman pose with one or both arms to add leverage.
Repeat for a plank (do it strictly with your back set like above, a deep breath, rotate your shoulders down and back, tuck your shoulder blades in, tense your abbs in and glutes to maximize abdominal pressure). The idea isn’t to have a conversation and hold it for hours, it’s 20-30s of really hard work to build strength. Have a read up on how lifters que for deadlifts or squats. it’s a similar principle.
On your back tensing your abbs lifting legs and shoulders off the floor.
And on each side.
If you have access to a gym, use the dip station to do leg raises (start with knee raises), pulling up from your core, and progress from there to to doing full leg raises from a dead hang.
And stretching to open the hip joints up a bit.
mrsheenFree MemberTry hanging for a few minutes from a monkey bar/pull up bar to help your friend’s shoulders too.
1relapsed_mandalorianFull MemberBig fan of Adriene in our house, she has all manner of sessions for all types, levels and areas of the body.
I go to a good one on a Monday evening that’s a relaxed flow class for 45 minutes, then a slightly higher pace one on a Wednesday.
thegeneralistFree MemberI had a dodgy back about 15 years ago which stopped me sleeping more than a few hours a night. Life got very grim so when the physio told me to do a set of core strengtheners I did them religiously. I had a rule that I didn’t do them any day where I did more than sixteen hours of other exercise, but apart from that I only missed about 10 occasions in the last 15 years!
I’ve got a bit perfunctory about them recently some days, but then do loads more some other days. It’s just basic planks, raises, sit-ups etc but it has been an absolute life saver.
1scotroutesFull MemberAdrienne and Kassandra have both been staples for me over the past few years. Cat Meefan is a recent addition. Worth exploring all of these YouTube channels and trying a few out to see which you get along with.
Although primarily aimed at runners, the Run Better with Ash channel has some stretching and strength exercises that are less yoga based but achieve much the same end.
I find some of the routines a bit difficult to follow along with at first but familiarity helps and I’ll complete some of the shorter ones unaccompanied now. Having the coach/tutor can help with some factors, like positioning, duration, breathing exercises and so on though.
onewheelgoodFull MemberI recently did the Coaching and Stretching day with Katy Curd in the Forest of Dean – it was brilliant. Here’s Katy and Karen going through a set of MTB Yoga stretches
flannolFree MemberAll the above are great! 5-10 mins a day makes SO much difference.
If you want a programme that keeps changing & therefore maybe holds interest a bit more (not to mention commits you via payment!) Dynamic Cyclist is awesome
Hanging can be good for some people – not so good for others. If it’s right of you’l it’ll feel amazing. If it isn’t, it’ll feel like it’s making you tighter rather than decompressing. I asked my physio about this – going to him saying ‘I’m doing dead hanging but I don’t feel amazing unlike X person in my life that does it and can’t stop raving about it’ – his reply was that it’s not right for everyone.
OnzadogFree MemberNot tried it myself yet, but always been curious about Tom Morrison and his simplistic mobility method.
Guess this is one of those situations where doing something, even if it’s not the very best, it better than doing nothing.
As a gold medal procrastinator, I should perhaps try listening to my own advice.
PhilbyFull MemberAlso your ‘mate’ should consider Pilates which helps strenghten your core muscles and improve flexibility and will enable him to hoover pain-free in future.
2JamzFree MemberJust do deadlifts. You need to strengthen the muscles and associated tissues of the lower back (the spinal erector group etc) so that they support/stabilise your spine. Stretching is all well and good, but it’s not going to do anything to strengthen your back. Same for bodyweight exercises – you need some weight to load these muscles sufficiently in order to see good adaption.
3wboFree MemberNo, don’t just do deadlifts:-( .
And don’t bother giving Tom Morrison any money for his scam recycling the stuff any of the linked YouTube yoga will give you.
10, 15 mins a day works very well for me
Fat-boy-fatFull MemberTry dynamic cyclist. Layering that on top of my established 30 minutes of pilates type stretching daily.
tonyp70Free MemberI also put my back out two weeks ago pushing the vacuum around so I have sympathy with, er your friend.
I also managed to fracture my ankle when gardening 2 months ago, so both of these activities are now considered dangerous……
Currently using these two – I try and do the Foundation Training (as suggested by finbar above) most days and also do the Lance Yoga for Cyclists video once or twice a week
Anna-BFree MemberI was going to suggest Pilates as well. I loved yoga and classes but our teacher moved away. Have taken up Pilates, local physiotherapist business runs it and our teacher is a physio at the hospital. It focuses a lot on core, arm and leg strength. I like that Pilates has a foundation in physiotherapy.
whatyadoinsuckaFree Memberi pulled my back in a yoga style class last weekend I’ll stick to pilates :0)
1sirromjFull MemberSame for bodyweight exercises – you need some weight to load these muscles sufficiently in order to see good adaption.
Very bad advice to suggest a beginner go straight to weighted push ups and weighted pull ups lol.
thisisnotaspoonFree MemberJust do deadlifts.
errrr……. nope
Fix the problem first. Only then should you consider the holy trinity of exercises.
Squats
Deadlifts
More Squats
Same for bodyweight exercises – you need some weight to load these muscles sufficiently in order to see good adaption.
I know a competitive strongwoman who can neither do a pull up or a press-up!
roger_mellieFull MemberOriginal 12 Minutes of Foundation Training with Dr. Eric Goodman
Another vote from my, er, ‘mate’ for this one. My mate has been slack recently and hasn’t been stretching, and found that his back gave him a rude reminder on Sunday. So, I, sorry he, will be back with Dr Eric as soon as bending down no longer elicits an old man groan. 😉
1joshvegasFree MemberChuck the occasional swim in at lunchtime. I swear i am an inch taller after a session in the pool.
Back to Quasimodo by dinner mind.
sirromjFull MemberI like the movement type influencers at the moment, the ones who advocate all round strength mobility flexibility, without prioritising one over the other. From their view, build up general fitness and then if you want to specialise in strength, cardio, endurance, skill, etc, you have a rock solid foundation on which to start. It’s all about building habits, finding exercise that works for you. Also, minor “injuries”/niggles/pains/twinges/etc aren’t avoidable, they’re an inevitable part of the process and how you and your body learn and adapt… apparently, that’s my excuse. My fitness is nothing special to shout about, but overall I feel positive about it at the end of my forties… though not sure how long that’ll last.
robertajobbFull MemberSwimming can defo help, if you can swim front crawl properly. It helps your mate stretch out properly in a straight line, takes the weight off the back for a while, and all those stretches and rotations of the trunk of the body for each stroke help loads. (And conversely, sitting at a desk at home for a living and then NOT swimming 3 or 4 times a week after BolloxFerBrainz Johnson shut down all swimming pools for months in early 2020 means I’m still paying the price with near rigormortis in my lower back.
1scudFree MemberYou have to pay, but if you have a turbo trainer to, Wahoo SYSTM is great, not just the turbo sessions, but they have the bodyweight strength sessions and Abi doing yoga which is all cycling and running specific. Adding 2 strength and 3-4 yoga sessions a week has kept my lower back pain down by 80-90% over what it used to me, especially lots of core work.
1IHNFull MemberThanks all, a little update from my, er, mate. Er, he, spoke to a physio who told him that he’s injured the Quadratus Lumborum muscle (or something like that) in the small of his back, very common apparently. So, he has a set of stretches to do, they take about twenty minutes every morning and evening, should improve significantly in two weeks, will take six to eight weeks to properly heal up.
Once he’s all healed he’ll look to use that twenty minutes each morning to do movement/stretchy/yogary stuff and also separately start doing the weight bearing/lifting stuff that he’s been telling himself, for the past couple of years, that he’s definitely going to start doing at some point…
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