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  • nukeproof
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    Oh dear, has the contentious ‘Modern classics’ thread turned nasty 🙁

    Pigface
    Member

    Who threatened who? and why

    Premier Icon njee20
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    PP threatened me because he misinterpreted something I said! On the pavement thread, in reference to the fact I said if I felt at risk from a cyclist on the pavement I’d push them off. Admittedly I worded it badly.

    Made me chuckle actually, the wording was excellent:

    And I’d very happily get up and batter 7 shades of s**t out of you if you did it to me, pal.

    I don’t think you would though. That’s internet bravado, nothing more.

    I’m not a violent person, and don’t really see it solving anything frankly.

    grumm
    Member

    Lots of people on here seem to think the answer to anti-social behaviour amongst young people is to beat them up. 🙄

    Njees post
    ‘I just don’t see how you can make any progress on the pavement, and having ridden thousands of miles on the roads of Surrey I don’t really see what the problem is!

    I’d very happily push a cyclist off if I was walking along the pavement and they came too close, strikes me as very similar to the whole thing about smacking cars that get too close. If they’re close enough to shove, they’re too close. Simples’

    I do not think the use of the words very happily helped your post much do you njee?

    Mark

    Premier Icon DezB
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    It does solve some things, but I think I’m too old for it now.
    S’funny when I went into the hospital to get my busted hand looked at the doc said “Punched someone?”. Nope, crashed my mountain bike. I was much more proud that I’d done it that way.

    RudeBoy
    Member

    Who was that, and where??

    Have I missed a good fight? Boo!

    Violence is acceptable when no other course of action is available or appropriate.

    I jolly well have not had a good pagga in ages, but I’ve had me fair share of scraps.

    Acceptable? Depends on the circumstances. If someone is about to attack you, or has already done so, then it’s perfectly acceptable to lay them out, if possible. I’ve been attacked with an iron bar, baseball bat, lumps of wood, bricks, and knives. Fortunately, because I can be a bit of a mentalist when confronted by the threat of extreme violence, I’ve always managed to get straight in there, and have avoided serious injury.

    Good question, actually. I have been involved in some pretty nasty incidents, in me time. So violence has been a part of my life. As a more mature adult, I now seek to avoid violent confrontation, and can usually use me big gob to talk me way out of trouble. But I’m still prepared for the eventuality. Recently, some berk was having a pop from his car at me, and I’m looking around for something to hit him with, if necessary. Me or them? Them, every time. Self preservation rules.

    I must say, there have been moments when I’ve become quite detached from what is ‘acceptable’ behaviour, but only after extreme provocation. At the time, I don’t think of the damage I may be causing someone else, I’m only inertested in rendering my adversary incapable of hurting me. Normal emotions don’t apply here; if I have to smash them round the head with something, to stop them, then I will, and I won’t hesitate. I’m not about to spare them injury, because violence is ‘unacceptable’. Fortunately, I’ve not killed anyone, or caused permanent disability.

    Regrets/remorse? I’ve put one or two people in hospital, because that’s what it’s taken to get them to stop attacking me. I feel no remorse towards them, as they fully intended to harm me.

    Life is overwhelmingly pretty peaceful though. Violence is only necessary and acceptable on extreme occasions.

    pp is a right softy

    It all depends. If they are Lycra wearing lawyers with 29r singlespeed bikes then violence is not only justified but your duty!

    hilldodger
    Member

    I would expect the people most liable to make keyboard threats are those least able to fulfill them IRL.
    Every ‘real hard barsteward’ I have known/met has always been the ‘quiet guy who didn’t feel the need to boast about it’ type – the ‘look at me I’m tough I am’ types are the first to turn turtle when anything kicks off, usually of less than average height, work in a job where no real physical effort is required and fully equipped with body-accessories like celtic tatoos and wierd piercings……

    …and if anyone disagrees with that I’ll sort the muthas big time innit.

    Only as the absolute last resort.
    I think the quote goes something like – “Better to be judged by 12 people than carried by 6”

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    surely it’s “seven bells” (old ladies only) or “ten shades of shit” ??

    PP – hang your head

    theflatboy
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    seven shades is a 70% moderation of a beating as required by the situation. if someone only annoyed you a little bit they’d probably get away with just one shade. that would be something like accidentally standing on your toe.

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    ah, thanks flatboy – hadn’t realised it was a sliding tariff

    Jamie
    Member

    *skips to the end*

    I hate, i mean really hate, violence and people being threatening and confrontational in real life. I just cannot for the life of me understand how someone can go out, and either through their mentality or drink etc, kick someone in the head. Just does not compute.

    On the web tho it is just funny.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    The proper way seems to be to stamp on the head these days. Utterly, utterly vile.

    Is it just me wondering if RudeBoy invites violence on himself ??

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Isn’t knocking “shades of sh1t” out of someone a racialist thing?

    djglover
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    violence is OK in self defence of violence IMO

    My son was being picked on at school with two boys in his class, pulling his bag, trying to trip him up,name calling etc. He did not want us to speak to the school so I told him the only way he would sort it would be to sort the boys out (go for the big one) next day in school he gets a plastic bottle thrown at him, so he punched the big guy a couple of times and got caught by the headmaster. I got called to the school and told the headmaster that I had told him to do it and he said(unofficially)it was probably the best way forward. He got his detention next day as he was already told he was getting that before I went down (fair enough).And the two in his class never even looked at him the wrong way after that.

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    That pavement riding thread is a gem. I do like what PP is doing with the PeterPompous character. It’s almost as good as Borat.

    I have never got into an altercation with anyone weak and defenceless enough that violence appeared to be a safe way of resolving the situation. 🙂

    cynic-al
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    Following a member’s potential threat to “beat 7 shades of ****” out of someone, who here thinks violence is acceptable and/or engages in it in real life?

    Premier Icon Garry_Lager
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    It is never worth it IMO. It’s OK I suppose for wee men to exchange a few punches, cuts and bruises are not a big deal and you need to stand up for yourself if you’re just a wee fellow. Us heavyweights, though, need to be more circumspect. The consequences can be severe, for you, him or the pair of ye. It’s an absolute last resort, which getting pushed off your bike by a stranger doesn’t come close to meeting. There’s really nothing at stake here.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Reports like this seem to appear quite regularly in my local paper.
    This kind of thing seems to come from a different species to most of the people I’ve met in my life.
    (not pleasant reading)
    http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/brett/Two-people-seen-kicking-Brett.5254905.jp

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    I know what you mean Dez. 😐

    PeterPoddy
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    PP threatened me because he misinterpreted something I said

    No, I didn’t.
    You said you’d happily push someone off, which no matter what you think they’ve done/have done is YOU starting it. AND you said you’d actually done it, IIRC
    As SFB said, I’m a right softy, but when bullied, I bite back.
    I’ve got into 2 fights in my life, one of which I shat myself and avoided confrontation for nearly a week, then when I could no longer and the first punch was thrown at me, I gave him a right good belting.

    You attitude stinks, (as you might think mine does) but you can’t go chucking your weight around and expect everyone to roll over and accept it

    woffle
    Member

    Having been on the end of an unprovoked kicking as a teenager (fractured skull, the works) I’d say violence was unacceptable. Often it takes the bigger man to just walk away.

    And as for getting all stroppy over the web on a forum, jeessuuss – life’s too short and there’s a whole, proper world out there. If it gets to the point where you’re threatening to dish out beatings it’s time to put the keyboard down and get outside and take a ride IMO.

    enfht
    Member

    Violence is acceptable when no other course of action is available or appropriate

    It’s your interpretation of “appropriate” which disturbs me RB. Your freakishly leftist ideollogy springs to mind. You are infact a product of your miserable surroundings, to which you “enrich” even more.

    I’m sure you’ve been beaten up before, maybe when you haven’t managed to find something to hit your opponent with. Shame I wan’t there to witness it and throw you a hanky when you’re crying like a pussy. You really are an idiot.

    PeterPoddy
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    I’d say violence was unacceptable. Often it takes the bigger man to just walk away.

    Very true, it generally is, and it often does. I’ve been laughed at for walking away.

    It’s all hypothetical anyway
    🙂

    RudeBoy
    Member

    you need to stand up for yourself if you’re just a wee fellow

    You certainly do! Most of the do’s I’ve had, have been with blokes a fair bit bigger than myself. I spose they think, ‘oh, he’s only a little C, I’ll be able to have him’. Sad, really. I think it’s got very little to do with someone’s size, how violent they can be. Aggression is a trait inherent to all of us. In some, it’s more apparent than in others, and maybe requires less provocation. I admit, I need less provocation than most.

    something that I hesitate to admit to, but is relevant to this discussion, is that I actually enjoy violence. A proper adrenaline rush, that I doubt I’d get through any ‘extreme’ sport. There’s nothing quite like that moment, when faced with some C coming at you with a weapon, and you’ve got to sort it out. Knowing all the time, that serious injury or even Death is in fact a possibility.

    I accept this is not ‘normal’, and am looking at ways to address this ‘fault’. But I’ve accepted that it’s part of who I am. Probbly a good thing that I’m only a ‘wee man’; if I were a big bastard, I’ve no doubt some incidents wooduv turned out a lot worse.

    cynic-al
    Member

    DezB’s article is tragic – not sure I would intervene with an arguing couple.

    juan
    Member

    is enfht the new labrat?

    PeterPoddy
    Member

    I do like what PP is doing with the PeterPompous character

    I just tell it like I see it. Plain speaking Midlander, it’s just the way I am.
    🙂

    Having said that, I was possibly a bit OTT. Hey-ho, thems the breaks.
    But I stand by the sentiment of what I said, push me off my bike like that and you’re not getting away with it one way or another, or you’ll do it again and again until you hurt someone….

    See, the OP doesn’t see the threat of his own violence and thinks my threat makes HIM the martyr. Surely that’s the very definition of pompous?
    “You’re on the pavement so I can push you off because I’M RIGHT”

    Then proceeds to start another thread (possibly) because I said I wasn’t going back to the first one.
    😯

    Dunno weather I’ll come back to this troll thread, it might be fun to meet troll with troll for a while, I might get bored…..
    😉

    Shall we agree to disagree on this one and let it drop?
    (Can you see where I’m going with this now)
    😀

    theflatboy
    Member

    i think most of it can be let drop. not this, though:

    There’s nothing quite like that moment, when faced with some C coming at you with a weapon, and you’ve got to sort it out. Knowing all the time, that serious injury or even Death is in fact a possibility.

    😆

    Spongebob
    Member

    As a more mature adult, I now seek to avoid violent confrontation, and can usually use me big gob to talk me way out of trouble.

    😆 Rudeboy!

    Didn’t your big gob get you into those violent confrontations? If your entries on STW are a reference, I’d bet it did!

    Love the “more mature adult” quote! Vey funny 😆 Getting there slowly!

    Seriously Rudeboy, I have read a lot of your stuff and I think you have some issues you would benefit from addressing. I know you have a positive side and you really need to focus on this.

    I don’t think political ideology has anything to do with this, but your surroundings do. I recommend you get yourself out of London. Avoid any large conurbations, go live in a place where people are more inclinded towards being personable, rather than wanting to beat “seven bells” out of one another at the slightest provocation!

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    Aight. That is when a brother pull his ten.

    Jamie
    Member

    cynic-al:

    DezB’s article is tragic – not sure I would intervene with an arguing couple.

    Indeed. My dad did ages ago and ended up having to beat a hasty retreat. Got a stiletto heel to the hand which looked well nasty.

    sharki
    Member

    38yrs and never punched another person, unless you count the time some yobs kept driving by and shouting insults at us, the third time they did it i let them drive into my fist…i guess heads out the window and 30mph into a fist hurt a little, they didn’t do t again. lol

    Like Deja vu all over again!
    Wasn’t this one covered some weeks ago when someone got pushed off whilst riding on a footpath?

    Spongebob
    Member

    It was roger!

    PeterPoddy
    Member

    RudeBoy is just a shouty little bloke. I’ve seem him in action….

    He could make a nasty mess of my knees, mind….

    😉

    RudeBoy
    Member

    Sponge; I spose it’s because i won’t meekly back down, and give as good as I get, that may have escalated situations in the past. I’ve identified that many of them have stemmed from the fact that I’ve publicly humiliated people, to the point of violence. Yes, I am a little stirrer. But that’s just words. If it stays at words, I’ll walk away. I’ll only get violent if someone is getting violent with me.

    I accept that I do have some ‘issues’, regarding my aggressive nature, and I am taking steps to address them. Small steps. I’m nowhere near as bad as I used to be. TBH, considering what a wee feller I actually am, it’s pretty baffling how I’ve managed to avoid really serious injury so far! But there’s always that one time. Which I’d like to avoid; for the sake of my loved ones, if nothing else.

    My surroundings? Well, I agree that they play a part, yes. I am considering moving to a quieter part of London. But the actual risk of violent confrontation is everywhere, not just in the rough parts. I’m sure here are horrific things that happen in quiet little villages.

    My experience of where I live is overall positive. I’m confident and outgoing, and can get along with all sorts. I don’t feel ‘threatened’ when out and about, but am sensible enough to be able to recognise potential danger, and take steps to avoid it.

    The enjoyment of violence is something I’d like to explore, but there aren’t a lot of resources that can help with this, I’ve found. If you say to someone ‘I enjoy violence’, they often look at you like you’re a psychopath. I’m sure that many people secretly harbour at least violent urges. Take enfht, for example; he seems to have taken an intense dislike to me, and takes any opportunity to try and wind me up, to get a reaction. He must enjoy the confrontation. I’d say he has issues he may not even be aware of, just from some of the comments he makes on here. The above comments have an undercurrent of anger and resentment, which is quite irrational, I feel. I’m more concerned for his state of mind, than I am offended by anything he says.

    The thing is, to be honest with yourself. PP has been, and has expressed honest onions. The PP I know is a lovely, kind, caring person. His wife woon’t have married him if he weren’t. But he, like everyone, has violent instincts, which he is aware of, and knows can be triggered by violent behaviour from someone else. Njee, I believe, is not actually serious about pushing someone off; if they were, they wooduv probbly done that already, and have faced the consequences. Forum posturing, methinks.

    aviemoron
    Member

    I used to be in the Paras, now not violent at all!

    enfht
    Member

    he seems to have taken an intense dislike to me, and takes any opportunity to try and wind me up, to get a reaction. He must enjoy the confrontation. I’d say he has issues he may not even be aware of, just from some of the comments he makes on here. The above comments have an undercurrent of anger and resentment, which is quite irrational, I feel

    Oh so I’m the one with issues. hahaha. You interpet it as irrational because you’re blind to your own stupidity. I’m not trying to wind you up, I’m judging you. Couldn’t care less how you take it. Glad you picked up on the undercurrent of anger and resentment towards you, you’re not completley blind afterall 😉

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