US Election Late Nighers? Who’s staying up as the results come in?

Yeah. Vance will do the same extreme right stuff Trump will do, but without the general chaos

Personally I think Vance is far more dangerous than Trump, project 25 and the implications that go with it would be a scary prospect for the world. I can excuse Trump for actions based on lack of intelligence, Vance on the other hand has a brain and a plan to go with it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Vance pushes Trump out within 6-12 months.

I think it’s 2 terms in total.

is he allowed to stand again in 2028?

No(t yet)

Not unless he repeals the 22nd Amendment. But then I guess Obama would also be available.

I don’t see him surviving the term, tbh, so it’s not a relevant question.

If Trump gives the Taliban $40billon of USA war machinery he’ll be doing twice as well as Biden did ?

Given Trump boasted that the deal he had done with the Taliban couldnt be undone by Biden and was right I think he deserves the credit for handing them the kit.

Its only once it became apparent what a dumb idea it was that it miraculously didnt have anything to do with him.

I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not.

Its two terms full stop and is a constitutional amendment. So not impossible to change but hard.

The doom mongering propaganda has already started with ironically, nothing to back it up.

Roe vs wade

seeing as Trump looks the likely winner, is he allowed to stand again in 2028? I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not.

As numerous right wing election winners have demonstrated already, those two term limits can be changed.

He has a 1 in 3 chance of being dead by then.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Vance pushes Trump out within 6-12 months.

Just like believing tory leaders are slaves to the headbangers is a myth, I am not so sure there is a “Machiavellian” team of geniuses behind Trump ready to take over, I think it is him and everyone just holding onto his coat tails hoping to luck out from the chaos, in fact I suspect if they were capable of that, they would be the last to be appointed to team Trump.

Personally I think Vance is far more dangerous than Trump, project 25 and the implications that go with it would be a scary prospect for the world. I can excuse Trump for actions based on lack of intelligence, Vance on the other hand has a brain and a plan to go with it.

I reckon they’ll get to the same point, just with more chaos and much higher risk of China making a move on Taiwan, or Ukraine collapsing.

my OH was explaining to me yesterday that their FPTP system is worse than ours, so when a states seats are counted, the winner takes all the seats.

Electoral College votes. Except in Nebraska (I think) where they split them (Harris 1, Trump 4)

PA still hasn’t declared, and in theory Harris could still take it, but it’s pretty unlikely. Same with Georgia as far as I can make out.

I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not

2 terms total, unless they get made president by order of succession.

Unless you have such a hold on the entire country that you can change the constitution.

As numerous right wing election winners have demonstrated already, those two term limits can be changed.

Complicated: they’d need to change the Constitution, and that’s not an easy task. Of course, while they were at it they could remove the “born in the USA” bit, which would allow someone like Musk to run… so perhaps it’s not 100% impossible.

Unless you have such a hold on the entire country that you can change the constitution.

Or ignore it.

No he can’t unless he changes the constitution….

Wouldn’t be surprised if Vance pushes Trump out within 6-12 months.

My bet is 24 months, based on succession rules – that would give him 10 years to implement the Republic of Gilead (seems to be the goal of P2025)

There is a fair chance that he will have both Senate and Congress as well as the presidency. And he has complete control of the supreme court. He can do what the hell he wants.

He didn’t start any wars last time and he didn’t crash any economies either.

The doom mongering propaganda has already started with ironically, nothing to back it up.

No wars is a good thing, right?

He didn’t need to, he managed to kill more Americans at home than has been lost fighting in all the wars since Vietnam.  Just remember how the man responded to a crisis he didn’t know anything about and didn’t really care about.  That’s the man who’s back in charge.

The House is still very much in play for both parties.  Changes to the constitution require a 2/3 majority in BOTH houses.

They don’t need to change the constitution, they only need to change the (supreme court’s) interpretation of the constitution.

What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?

I don’t have the numbers but apparently he is winning the popular vote as well.

BBC page has the vote split at the top – currently 47.3% to 51.1% in favour of the stuffed sausage.

He didn’t need to, he managed to kill more Americans at home than has been lost fighting in all the wars since Vietnam.  Just remember how the man responded to a crisis he didn’t know anything about and didn’t really care about.  That’s the man who’s back in charge.

I was given quite a bit of grief on here when I didn’t quite manage to wish Trump well when he got a spot of covid himself and spent some time in hospital. Given what we now know about what his administration did for the covid response in the US and the potential death toll globally his election now is forecast to instigate……was I wrong? For the greater good, would a dead Trump in 2020 not have been a good thing? Hindsight and all that.

What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?

Born in America.

I was referring to term limits, but the interpretation of law must be backed up by similar rulings in international law.

International law has no bearing on US law or its constitution.

Wasn’t Musk born naturally?

Seems to have been assembled, badly

What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?

I reckon he’s an evil cyborg…so no..

What is a “natural-born” citizen anyway? Wasn’t Musk born naturally?
Born in America.

Or having at least one parent who is a citizen. Also, being born in the U.S. is usually enough to have citizenship, even if your parents aren’t citizens and aren’t there legally, but if your parents are diplomats and not subject to U.S. legal jurisdiction, I think you can’t claim birthright citizenship.

Whatever the case, Musk is ineligible without a constitutional amendment.

Whatever the case, Musk is ineligible without a constitutional amendment.

Only according to the rule book.

currently 47.3% to 51.1% in favour of the stuffed sausage

Well, that really does surprise me. I thought he would scrape in by winning the swing states, I’m shocked he’s winning the popular vote.

On Musk… if he keeps supporting Trump as a non-politican, he has so much to gain. If he were a possible successor, Trump would turn on him. Not being eligible to be president works in his favour.

Trump has won. That battle is lost. Let trump try to carry out his simple answers to complex problems agenda. Let’s see how that work out.

It’s likely to have a terrible effect on Ukraine, Taiwan and Gazas futures. Israel will also be given free reign to do exactly what they want.

But…

Although the UK will be impacted by this Trump win, interest rates, growth etc it’s not all bad. Far from it.

Would I sooner a magic switch and we have a Tory government here and Harris as President in the US? No, I wouldn’t! It’s far from ideal but unlike ’16, there is hope at a national UK level. 

At a macro level all bets are off but at a micro level, little will change in our lives. That’s all that matters.

I’m disappointed but not very surprised.

In 2016 the Democrats chose a generally unpopular female candidate to run against Trump. They seem to have done the same this year. Kamala Harris was a very unpopular Vice-president.

In 2016 Hilary Clinton referred to Trump voters as “Deplorables”, Biden referred to them as “Garbage” this year. Neither are likely to change people’s minds, but they are very likely to motivate the people that they’re insulting to get out and vote to teach them a lesson.

The Democrats have been spectacularly arrogant this year. However you cut it, it’s been obvious for a few years that Biden is no longer up to it, and the Democrats have been hiding it – avoiding press scrutiny etc, only doing something about it when it was both unavoidable and far too late. At that point they chose a candidate who must have colluded in the cover up, and they wonder why they may not be trusted on key issues.

This is against a background of the Democrats in general being pretty rubbish at politics. They’ve allowed themselves to get boxed in on judicial nominations, something that is going to take decades to un-pick. They also, in Joe Biden, had a candidate who was reluctant to talk about abortion rights and women’s health, when it was a key issue.

They’ve also been unlucky, inflation, the Ukraine war, and the Middle East. However IMV they’ve not helped themselves with their triangulation and prevarication on Gaza.

Against that background I can understand why people turned out to vote for Donald Trump. I don’t think it helps to label all the people who did as stupid racists either.

Israel will also be given free reign to do exactly what they want.

So… No change then?

Oh well at least the Ukraine war will be over in January!!

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Israel will also be given free reign to do exactly what they want.

So… No change then?

Yes, I believe there was pressure put on Israel by Biden, we are now likely to see what it’s removal will mean.

Hang on – why isn’t Trump questioning the outcome of this election?

See comment above. People don’t care about GDP if they don’t see the benefits of it. The GDP growth over the Biden administration has primarily benefitted the rich asset holding classes while working and middle class people have seen their cost of living massively impacted by inflation and stagnant wages. That’s why Trump’s primary economic promises were focused on the cost of living rather than GDP. He’s even suggested taking control of interest rates off the Fed. Obviously no one knows if he’ll deliver what he’s promised but the Democrats were only offering more of the same.

^^This^^

GDP that doesn’t filter through to the plebs pockets is fundamentally meaningless to most voters, look at our own COL issues and focus on inflation…  Then look at who Trumps biggest cheerleader has been in recent weeks… Ahem.

Especially Musk..

^^Indeed^^ champion of the working classes, definitely the sort of person you want to have the ear of the President if worker pay and conditions are your priority?

Of course this is tied up with various very American Myths about Work and Wealth and how it is “Earned” in their economy…

To me that is a fundamental dichotomy, voters who can’t spot that deserve everything they get TBH. Unfortunately lots of people don’t suffer from “TDS” and will also have to pay the price…

Trump was wise to their tactics this time around- hence why they had to try and assassinate him.

The huge irony is that every time they tried to Lawfare him out of existence, they made him stronger. After all, if that’s how they behave towards a former president- what chance would the plebs have when the democrat gestapo chose to ‘show me the man and I’ll show you the crime’ against them….

The lack of awareness was shocking. In comparison- and being a people person, Trump inherently knew there was more mileage in sparing Hilary than locking her up and throwing away the key.

He’s a sportsman who loves the game but respects the rules. Whereas the left just want to win at all costs (hence Trump derangement syndrome).

He’s a sportsman who loves the game but respects the rules. Whereas the left just want to win at all costs 

Sorry what now?

Why are there so many thick trolling Putin bot **** on here nowadays?