US Election Late Nighers? Who’s staying up as the results come in?

 People don’t have room in their heads to worry about things like racism and other ‘woke’ issues when they can’t afford to feed their families.

Looking at the size of most of them, the one thing they can most assuredly do is feed themselves and their families, many times over in fact.

Well, that’s a more unsettled future globally.

I agree that a lot of his supporters know what they are voting for, they are doing it for reasons they see as important.

I do think, like brexshit, there are a raft of unintended consequences.

Let’s see what the financial markets react like.

The worst bit today will be seeing his smug orange face and overblown sense of importance being paraded for all to see. He doesn’t do statesmanlike.

Let’s see what the financial markets react like

financial markets will go up because, tax cuts for the rich. That’s what they do. (Obvs not in extreme and ugly cases like truss, but that was really batshit crazy)

Now we wait to see how long until his backers invoke the 25th and install Vance.

Better Vance than Trump.

financial markets will go up because, tax cuts for the rich. That’s what they do.

Dunno, the markets aren’t generally big fans of uncertainty. And Trump is anything but reliable.

I’ll leave you to your celebrations over this triumph of democracy.

There’s nothing to celebrate other than the fact voters will always vote against people who take them for granted.

BTW I note Harris didn’t even have the grace to speak to all the supporters who turned out for her supposed victory party. Just about says it all really.

One of the biggest stories is the shift in influence away from the MSM to the independent outlets.

Turns out that when the Globalist media machine goes from “Biden is perfectly coherent and Kamala is a crazy nut job” to “All hail our new democratically elected queen Kamala (Biden, Biden who?)” in about five minutes- people get red pilled into realising that maybe, just maybe, the news isn’t what it used to be!

Podcasts won Trump this election.

Well that’s a terrible disappointment.

America must feel like their world has gone to absolute crap to think the solution is putting a mark next to the orange idiot in a voting booth.

If he does half the things he’s promised, he’ll trash the world’s economy and probably start WW3. I’m really baffled by anyone thinking that this is a good idea.

It’s just depressing in so many ways.

If he does half the things he’s promised, he’ll trash the world’s economy and probably start WW3.

He doesn’t care about the world’s economy, only America’s, that’s why he was elected.

He’ll leave the wars to everyone but America (apart from Israel of course). Ukraine is now Europe’s problem, so I suppose we’ll see just how committed Europe and the UK are now.

@teenrat  is there scope for a democratic state such as California to seek independence?

Yes, well, sort of. I believe all the other states have to approve its cessation. They can’t unilaterally say “we’re off, bye!” They’re also royally buggered right now with many, many internal problems. Some of their own making, some historical (my life is terrible, I’m going to head west and become a bum) and some from former little tech start-ups that are no longer little in any way and crave low tax, low regulation, low moral environments such as Texas.

He doesn’t care about the world’s economy, only America’s, that’s why he was elected.

But he’ll trash that too.

But he’ll trash that too.

Define ‘trash’. See that Tim Shipman tweet I posted above – https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1854055061925560448 . In America a healthy economy doesn’t mean higher nationwide GDP growth, it means working and middle class people having more money in their pockets. At the end of 4 years of Biden the perception was that they had less even thoughg the economy supposedly prospered, and they voted accordingly.

If he does half the things he’s promised, he’ll trash the world’s economy and probably start WW3

I think the issue there would be the use of ‘world’ in that reasoning; belief in American exceptionalism results in not really caring about anything else, other than (often perceived) threats, or that the rest of the inferior world can fall into line and follow the greatest nation on Earth.

It was utterly predictable, and completely expected, if you go along with the idea that a country as divided, and at odds with itself over so many basic issues, would ever vote for a woman of colour who represents the established order.
Trump has tapped into the psyche of people who don’t have much interest in the nuances of politics, but a belief in the core issues they feel affect them. Those issues are (in my opinion) often erroneous, based on political and media spin or manipulation, and can be dismissed with only a cursory search online – but that’s academic if the alternative (and Biden in particular during his term) aren’t up to the job. We suffered with it in the UK from 2015 onwards.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même… possibly.

Mudslinging aside, if Trump wants to leave and not be labelled as a disaster those exit pollings seem to suggest that the priority needs to be the economic prosperity of working and middle class people (US definitions). How’s he going to do that then?

BTW I note Harris didn’t even have the grace to speak to all the supporters who turned out for her supposed victory party. Just about says it all really.

It says they didn’t show the footage.

Better Vance than Trump.

Are you sure about that?

He doesn’t care about the world’s economy, only America’s, that’s why he was elected

you mean the economy that’s been outperforming every other g7 nation massively in the last three years? The economy doesn’t need fixing, society does.

it means working and middle class people having more money in their pockets

And how did that work out for them last time? He will only benefit the rich, the poor will get poorer. Much poorer. But they will be happy because they owned the libs. Maybe they’ll be able to get jobs as concentration camp guards.

7 results to go (from the front page of BBC News website)…what does that actually mean? That there are just 7 additions to the existing numbers (266 Trump and 219 Harris) or are there enough additions in those 7 things that could allow Harris to leapfrog Trump?

I’m not sure who’s face I’d like to punch more. Farage or Trump?!?

Europe is going the same way. Far right govts in Italy, Austria, Hungary. Far right parties on the brink of power in places like France and advancing rapidly in the UK, Germany and others. We’re just a few years behind the US, but the one thing we can guarantee is that liberal centrist parties across Europe will not learn the lessons in the same way that the Democrats have failed to.

That last bit I can agree with. The “non-right” parties have to stop offering a less extreme version of the right and start offering a proper vision of an alternative, fairer society.

you mean the economy that’s been outperforming every other g7 nation massively in the last three years?

See comment above. People don’t care about GDP if they don’t see the benefits of it. The GDP growth over the Biden administration has primarily benefitted the rich asset holding classes while working and middle class people have seen their cost of living massively impacted by inflation and stagnant wages. That’s why Trump’s primary economic promises were focused on the cost of living rather than GDP. He’s even suggested taking control of interest rates off the Fed. Obviously no one knows if he’ll deliver what he’s promised but the Democrats were only offering more of the same.

How many of the states are actually counted? How much is the current picture due to exit polls? I am still harbouring the hope (in desperation) that exit polls might not reflect the women’s vote, they may not want to reveal they voted for Harris to anyone.

I’m struggling to articulate how riled I am this morning. Xxxx trump, but more importantly xxxx every one of the people who voted for him…

Especially Musk..

That’s why Trump’s primary economic promises were focused on the cost of living rather than GDP

Trump promised sweeping tax cuts…. For the very richest

And tariffs that will send inflation through the roof

I think crisshairs point about podcasts is valid, you can become an ‘expert’ on something by listening to a 3hr rogan podcast , it’s empowering even if your new knowledge absolute nonsense

7 results to go (from the front page of BBC News website)…what does that actually mean? That there are just 7 additions to the existing numbers (266 Trump and 219 Harris) or are there enough additions in those 7 things that could allow Harris to leapfrog Trump?

My understanding is with the current results the way they are those remaining states (probably just enough for Harris to win) at currently heavily in favour of Trump in the votes counted thus far.

Are you sure about that?

Yeah. Vance will do the same extreme right stuff Trump will do, but without the general chaos and risk of provoking China into war along with it. At least that’s my “hope”, such as it is.

7 results to go (from the front page of BBC News website)…what does that actually mean? That there are just 7 additions to the existing numbers (266 Trump and 219 Harris) or are there enough additions in those 7 things that could allow Harris to leapfrog Trump?

Is the right question.

Folk need to understand just how complicated US Elections are – in fact Farage talking to Ferrari on LBC pretty much said the same thing, to quote “they have a terrible system here…, they can’t run elections that Americans can trust”.

4:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEfdK4JuXpc

I don’t thinks it’s based on exit polls.  He has 266 declared wins so far with 270 needed to win.   I think it’s in the bag because he won most of the swing states

my OH was explaining to me yesterday that their FPTP system is worse than ours, so when a states seats are counted, the winner takes all the seats.

back in 2000 Apparently Al Gore had more votes than Bush, but Bush won some states that had a lot of seats, so that over ruled it.

Clutching at straws perhaps, but wouldnt the whole global outlook over the past 20 years have been different, if we hadnt had Bush?

ill be interested to see how many votes this boils down to (though it looks pretty clear cut actually)

My theory is its all just media noise. Trump wasnt off the front page for his previous tenure. Constant gaffs, criticism etc. But bad news is still news. Hardly a peep with Biden. Nothing of significance either way, other than stumbling down some steps a few times.

He didn’t start any wars last time and he didn’t crash any economies either.

The doom mongering propaganda has already started with ironically, nothing to back it up.

No wars is a good thing, right?

I don’t have the numbers but apparently he is winning the popular vote as well.

No wars is a good thing, right?

That very much depends on how you deal with the wars that have already started.

Yeah, seem to be 7 results left to declare and between them all there are 53 ‘things’…Kamala needs 51 ‘things’ to hit the 270. I suspect it would be a phenomenal result if this all fell into place and he was pipped at the post, but it isn’t looking likely.

Does anyone know where I can watch The View on British TV/online? It’s going to be a cracker…

If Trump gives the Taliban $40billon of USA war machinery he’ll be doing twice as well as Biden did ?

Biden wasn’t some benign old granddad who escaped controversy- he was the globalists baby-sniffing war monger puppet of choice.

^Who’s this clownshoe?

Apologies if this has already been covered else where, but seeing as Trump looks the likely winner, is he allowed to stand again in 2028? I know they limit their presidents to two consecutive terms but I don’t know if it’s two terms in a lifetime or not.