Tom Watson!

Viewing 40 posts - 41 through 80 (of 122 total)
  • Tom Watson!
  • ransos
    Member

    You’re forever evangelically banging on about your scared ‘membership’,

    I’ve no idea if they’re scared or not, nor do I evangelize about them. The point is so simple that even you could understand it: sounding off here while doing absolutely nothing to bring about the change you claim to want tells me that you’re an empty vessel, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    Again… whatevs.

    I’m interested in your opinion though, which is why I’ve asked you the question…

    As a believer, one of the faithful, who would you see having the mantle passed to them by the beardy messiah? Who would the blessed ‘membership’ ordain to be the Kim Jong-un to Jeremy’s Jung-il?

    You can carry on abusing me during your answer if it makes you more comfortable, I but who are your runners and riders for the successor once he’s lost the next election?

    Blackflag
    Member

    If you hate the current tory gov and want a better labour party than the one we have now, why not join the party so you can have a say in who the new leader should be??

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    When everyone is running from a burning building, you don’t run towards it, do you?

    I know quite a few lifelong, active party members who’ve just given up in despair and resigned they’re membership.

    With reference to the topic we’re on, the only thing the labour membership seem remotely interested in is getting people like Tom Watson deselected.

    Providing an actual opposition, never mind winning a general election seems pretty far down the agenda. If there is an actual agenda, other than completing the takeover of the party, which seems pretty much done already.

    I think a lot of the Corbynites would probably benefit from reading this…

    Anyway…. your runners and riders to carry on Jezza’s legacy?

    Or how about who’ll replace Tom Watson as deputy leader in September when the plan to unseat the treacherous blasphemer comes to fruition?

    Over to you…

    Blackflag
    Member

    When everyone is running from a burning building, you don’t run towards it, do you?

    You do if you want to put the fire out!

    tjagain
    Member

    Bindery
    So why is labour membership hugely up then?

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    It’s not. They reckon they’ve lost 100,000+ members since the general election

    And let’s not mention the polling

    Anyone going to answer my questions?

    Who’s the next Kim?

    Blackflag
    Member

    Whilst membership is up (but rapidly declining) it is no reflection of electability. My preference for the next leader is someone who is more electable than JC. I like JC a lot but i can see he has some significant flaws (inability to respond quickly, embarrassing over brexit).

    To answer your question binners: Yvette Cooper would be my choice, or a returning Andy Burnham.

    Now answer mine: What is your plan to democratically rectify the state this country is in?

    P-Jay
    Member

    If you hate the current tory gov and want a better labour party than the one we have now, why not join the party so you can have a say in who the new leader should be??

    I did at least, just not the Labour Party.

    Blackflag
    Member

    I did at least, just not the Labour Party.

    Good. I’m not saying Vote Labour here, i’m advocating being democratically involved if you want to see a change, irrespective of what you want that change to be.

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    This country needs an electable labour government, desperately.

    Unfortunately, not only is Corbyn far from that, the changes occurring in the party under him are taking them further and further away from power. Any opposition worthy of the name would be twenty points clear in the polls and on for a Blair style landslide victory

    With Corbyn – Consolidating the influence of his 70’s throwback comrades ain’t a great look to the wider electorate, as the polling and recent results shows.

    I did the 3 quid membership to vote for Andy, and if he’d have got in then I firmly believe we’d now have a labour government and Brexit wouldn’t be happening

    I think Yvette Cooper would be a great leader, and a great PM. So obviously, in the present Labour Party, she hasn’t s prayer.

    The party seems determined to return to the early 80’s and permanent opposition. And that is very very bad news for all of us

    Premier Icon grumpysculler
    Subscriber

    I remember when I first noticed Tom Watson early in the Corbyn days, he did some stuff that I can’t remember but gave me a fairly quick dislike of the man.

    More recently, I find him to be the voice of sense, unity and moderation within the Labour party. It seems to me that he might actually be capable of bringing the party together and putting the boot into the current govt.

    So I’m stuck between him having a bad history but looking like a good politician right now.

    Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham, David Milliband, probably even Keir Starmer would all be eminently electable types in my view and might enourage me to vote labour.

    Blackflag
    Member

    I’d encourage those who want to see a more electable opposition to be involved where they can as it will only be changed from the inside.

    Premier Icon zippykona
    Subscriber

    Anyone who joins the labour party will just be giving Corbyn a clear mandate to carry on doing nothing.

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    I’ve heard from friends who’ve recently left that the atmosphere within the Labour Party is now so toxic that you’d have to be a masochist to go in there as a non-believer in the cult of Jeremy.

    It’s got all the hallmarks of Militant in the early 80’s, except Militant never got its hands on the steering wheel. They have now and the party has gone careering off to electoral irrelevance

    Personally I can only see, if things carry on as they are, a huge SDP scale defection by moderate labour MPs like Watson, as there is no way that Corbyn’s cabal that have colonised the party are going to change course, or give it up.

    And if that happens, a lot of labour voters are already ahead of them. On Brexit, for example, the Lib Dem’s unambiguous pro remain position is why they’re polling above labour. Something which i’m Sure is giving pause for thought among many non-coby ire labour MP’s – is: the vast majority of them

    P-Jay
    Member

    Personally I can only see a huge SDP scale defection by moderate labour MPs like Watson, as there is no way that Corbyn’s cabal that have colonised the party are going to change course, or give it up.

    I keep expecting this too, some Political correspondents are saying them same thing, but it’s not happened yet – it always seems to be a case that a handful are expected, only at the 11th hour it doesn’t happen.

    There’s been talk of a lot of threats of de-selection for non-believers, they may jump as MPs and join the Lib Dems (Change UK seems to have faltered) rather than try to gain re-election under another party.

    Labour relies a lot on Party loyalty, consider Newport West recently had a by-election, they voted 56% leave in the EU ref one of the larger margins in the UK, but the Labour candidate they elected as their MP is a vocal remainer and campaigned to have a 2nd Ref and to remain. Have the people of Newport swung that far, or would they vote for a Pig in a red rosette.

    Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham, David Milliband, probably even Keir Starmer would all be eminently electable types

    They would indeed, but they have no chance since the Momentum rule changes.

    John McDonnell pretty much named Corbyn’s potential successors in Nick Robinson’s Political thinking podcast:

    Rebecca Long-Bailey
    Emily Thornbury
    Richard Bergen
    Kate Osamor

    It will be one of them.

    The only way I can see that it turning out differently is if more than one candidate from McDonnell/Abbot/Corbyn’s wing of the party stood and split the vote while the moderates put up one candidate. I can’t imagine Momentum will be dumb enough to let that happen.

    Premier Icon lunge
    Subscriber

    Jess Phillips or Keir Starmer would make me vote for Labour again.

    Coyote
    Member

    Anyone who joins the labour party will just be giving Corbyn a clear mandate to carry on doing nothing.

    This. Very much this.

    Premier Icon hatter
    Subscriber

    Jess Phillips or Keir Starmer would make me vote for Labour again.

    Ditto, both seem to be fine individuals.

    Although they’d have to have chance of winning in my constituency as my priority would be to get the current waste of oxygen Tory out.

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    Katia Adler on the BBC Brexitcast is just commenting that the present Tory party leadership contest is proving a handy distraction for the Labour Party as there is presently complete turmoil behind the scenes and things are most definitely coming to a head.

    Premier Icon dazh
    Subscriber

    I did the 3 quid membership to vote for Andy, and if he’d have got in then I firmly believe we’d now have a labour government and Brexit wouldn’t be happening

    You mean this Andy Burnham?

    Or this one?

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    Yes, that Andy Burnham.

    You’re going to tell me he supported going into Iraq next, aren’t you?

    Premier Icon dazh
    Subscriber

    You’re going to tell me he supported going into Iraq next, aren’t you?

    Nope, I’ve got very little interest in that. I will say though that there is very little evidence that he would have stopped brexit had he won the leadership. The very opposite in fact, we’d probably be out by now as he would have supported May’s deal and voted it through.

    ctk
    Member

    So most Labour members are in favour of remain and should be listened to but are also lunatics and should be ignored at all costs.

    What are the momentum rule changes to stop a ‘Blairite’ being a candidate?

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    … Or maybe had a Labour leader who would actually have turned up for the referendum campaign in the first place Daz? Instead of seeing it as an opportunity to kick back on the allotment for a couple of months and taken on a spectators role

    An oft repeated theme ever since, that spawned the much used hashtag

    #wheresjeremy

    Premier Icon rone
    Subscriber

    And let’s not mention the polling

    Anyone going to answer my questions?

    I will – Labour ahead on a good chunk of the polls save yougov.

    Britain Elects has an aggregate tracker that puts *currently* Labour 3pts ahead of the Tories.

    Latest voting intentions

    I don’t know who does a more bullshit job on Labour you or the papers.

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    Polling ahead of the Tories?

    But still on 18%?

    You’ve taken into consideration the other factors, right?

    Prepare for the glorious socialist government comrades…

    Premier Icon Pook
    Subscriber

    As a relatively independent observer…

    Ransos = Labour supporter
    TJ = Labour supporter
    Binners = Labour supporter

    This. This is what Corbyn is doing. He’s a **** liability.

    kerley
    Member

    Plus Kerley = Labour supporter (or was) who doesn’t particularly agree with any of the 3 you have listed but then surely that is typical. Just because we want the same general intentions of a party we are not going to all agree on how a party is led. Take Brexit out of it and we would probably be closer aligned.

    Premier Icon zippykona
    Subscriber

    Pook

    A very interesting observation.

    Time for a lot of people to join the Lib Dems including Mr Watson.

    Premier Icon northernsoul
    Subscriber

    Time for a lot of people to join the Lib Dems including Mr Watson.

    If they did, I’d vote for the Lib Dems. If there was to be an election tomorrow I don’t know who I’d vote for – none of the major parties inspire much confidence. Maybe I’d vote for the Green Party…

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    The bottom line is that every day Corbyn has been leader of the Labour Party has delivered a Tory government.

    And he’s been busy ensuring this remains the case. It’s absolutely inexplicable to me that anyone can defend him given that the Labour Party is presently polling 18% against this total shambles of a government.

    And has anyone heard from him recently? The silence is, as always, deafening

    There is, to all intents and purposes, no official opposition in this country at present. When we’ve never needed one more. And the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of Jeremy Corbyn

    Time to go and spend more time with your courgettes, grandad

    Premier Icon rone
    Subscriber

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/09/tom-watson-weaken-labour-party-centrists-jeremy-corbyn

    Dawn Foster eats Binners for lunch.

    “But the end result of Watson et al’s constant attacks will not be electoral success under another Labour leader, but a Tory victory. And the people who need a Labour government to change their lives and communities are unlikely to forgive people like him.”

    Premier Icon Del
    Subscriber

    They’re is so much wrong about Foster’s opinion piece it’s almost funny. Almost.

    DrJ
    Member

    They’re [sic] is so much wrong about Foster’s opinion piece

    Well, don’t keep us in the dark – tell us what, so we can share in the enlightenment.

    tjagain
    Member

    Tj
    Not a labour supporter since the antics in Scotland. Just a seeker after truth

    Burnham a despicable racist and brexiteer.

    Couper politically unelectable

    Starmer is a good candidate

    footflaps
    Member

    Starmer is a good candidate

    He strike me as being a Libdem lost at sea in the Labour Party. He’s been banging his anti-Brexit drum for three years whilst been constantly ‘corrected’ by JC’s apparatchiks for being off message…

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    After watching Panorama last night I don’t think anyone is left in any doubt who the real labour leader is…

    Seamas Milne

Viewing 40 posts - 41 through 80 (of 122 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.