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  • Premier Icon epicyclo
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    I think Crikey has it largely nailed, a bit of intelligent reading will get you all the info you need. There’s enough adjustment on a bike to move things around until you’re comfortable. Where I think folk are going wrong is assuming that the sort of riding position used by incredibly fit and active young racers is going to be just as good for an occasionally active somewhat older person.

    If you are an audaxer or a racer and chasing the last watt, then I’m sure bikefit will get it for you, but I can’t see it as essential for the rest of us.

    crikey – Member
    “The more upright you put yourself the less problem you have with bike comfort.”
    …Until you start riding your upright bike up hills and for long distances; I’ve ridden a trad Dutch bike around Amsterdam for 4 hours and was uncomfortable after 1 hour…

    I initially found the same on my ancient British roadster, but the beauty is it has one more adjustment than modern bikes. You can raise or lower the handlebar several inches. I did this and now it’s good for hours on end, and it climbs hills just fine. The descents with rod brakes are another matter. 🙂

    Edit:

    As far as I know, all the research into riding positions and the resulting data are intended to enable athletes to produce max power, and not to provide comfortable positions for the rest of us.

    discoduck
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    Blimey, rod brakes, you want to be careful with those !

    The last thing you want is arm pump, leading to fatigue and then before you know it carpel tunnel will set in and you wont be able to ride for more than an hour, you wont be able to sleep, you will wake up in the midlle of the night having to stretch your arm out ! the pain will become unbearable and it will ruin your 45 min mini TDF every weeek,

    Try googling BIKEFIT, not to be confused with being Fit on a bike, you just need to be shown the error of your ways, as soon as they sculpt your body round a bike then all will be revealed, because it seems to me that those that have had it done have found that it is beneficial,

    no doubt this debate will rumbe on, i’ve come from Road biking and have never been fitted to a bike, when i went to bed on a night with an ache and a pain i knew i’d had a good ride, it was usually acompanied by a grin like a cheshire cat !

    Can i just add this, its Physical Excercise, its suposed to **** hurt, your suposed to feel like shit when you have been in the sadddle for 5 – 6 hours, if you dont then your bluffing bikefit or no bikefit !

    Its riding a bike and beleive it or not it is a very complicated process, the fact that you pull against an opposite effect just to keep upright means that you are always straining in some way.

    deviant
    Member

    mrmo, you’re slightly missing the point.

    There are no hard and fast rules for setting up every different person on every different bike….obviously, there are too many variables.

    There is no such thing as the ‘correct’ bar width, stem length etc….

    However all the bike fitting services i’ve seen advertised are about getting the rider set up on their own bike, not some one else’s bike at the velodrome, or the local time triallist’s machine but time spent experimenting with stem length, cleat position, layback posts, inline posts, carbon posts, aluminium posts, wider bars, narrower bars etc etc….you get the idea.

    I’m not biased on this as i havent had a bike fitting but i have spent a few pennies buying different saddles, different seat posts, stems etc in my quest to find a good position for me….not to mention the time spent on the uncomfortable rides when i’d tried something that didnt work.
    I can fully understand someone wanting to wheel their bike into the shop, get fitted properly for their build and that bike and ride out again without the trial and error nonsense that some on here are advocating and i myself went through while it took me months to finally get comfortable on a road bike.

    It is no different to paying for lessons, coaching, custom equipment etc in any other sport.

    oldgit
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    My issue with fits (not that I’ve had one) is that they seem to be sold as final. If you can’t work out what size bike you need yourself I assume you are a total novice. So a fitter sorts you out, what then. Are you told to come back in a few months or a year so it can be re adjusted to fit?
    Couple of first hand experiences. A guy was sold wedges and is obsessed with this 4mm plastic spacer, he must have his seat post at the height marked on it by the fitter, it must be milimetre perfect or he suffers. yet he has fitted a saddle that’s at least 1/2″ lower in profile and changed his shoes…same thickness sole? but as long as that post is in the right place his fine.
    Another fella 2″ taller than me came to buy my bike. He has been fitted on 57/58cm bikes mines 54cm. He came for a try anyway. We had to lower the saddle 1/2″
    And seeing some of the customers bikes being changed after a bike fit…**** me

    oldgit
    Member

    From my pretty long experience on the road, most issues aren’t exactly fit related. New riders in my old club with ‘problems’ came mainly from –
    Poor riding technique. Like bobing head, arms, shoulders and hips for no reason?
    Challenging their gears, rather than using them i.e thinking it’s cool to do everything in the big ring.
    Cleat position. I still find it hard to believe that a sensible bloke will just fit and forget!
    Pointed up/down/left/right saddle.
    Having saddle too low so they can touch the ground when they stop.
    keeping levers where the shop put them, and instead moving the whole bar to get them in the right place rather than spend a tenner to rw wrap them.
    And stuff.

    mrblobby
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    Oldgit, not so much an issue with bike fitting, more what people choose to do with the information it provides them.

    I’d hope that if I did go for a bike fit then I’d get an optimised fitting on specific bikes for a specific purpose (e.g. I’d expect the position on the TT bike to be distinct from the road racing bike.) I’d take that information and add it to the pot of existing knowledge and just not blindly apply the results. And I wouldn’t expect that information to then be carved in stone with the passing of time and bikes.

    I suppose it’s like any other tool, power metres being another good example, you need to have a bit of understanding to interpret the data that they are providing you, otherwise it’s a bit of a waste of time and money.

    mrmo
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    MrBlobby, but the problem is some people are taking a bikefit as gospel, that it is the only way.

    My point is that get fitted by all means, to get an idea of what is roughly right, but don’t be afraid to fiddle. You the rider will change physically over time and it is quite likely the reason why you ride will change. However to get the best from any fit it makes sense to know what is going on, to know how and what to tweak.

    Ypur comment about specific fitting, the position i ride now is more extreme than it used to be but it is no less comfortable because I have changed. I could get a TT fit, which at its most extreme could be very uncomfortable but fine for a 10, but not a 12hr.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    Challenging their gears, rather than using them i.e thinking it’s cool to do everything in the big ring.

    You mean it’s not?

    I’m in two minds here. Easily the biggest dick on the thread is Crikey, the dancing duck isn’t far behind. I don’t remotely understand why some are so adamant that its the wrong thing to do. Crikey – good for you that you’ve spent 26 years getting books out of a library and measuring photographs (seriously? FFS) so you can not share your experience with anyone. **** that. I don’t have enough time in my life to ride my bloody bike, I’m not wasting hours and hours on crap like that.

    That said… I’ve never had a bike fit, and likely wouldn’t. I’m reasonably flexible, happy to try things out, can ride for 6+ hours if required in total (relative) comfort. But I completely understand that some people have niggling injuries that could be solved by using a 10mm shorter stem, or shifting the saddle 5mm, and I absolutely understand not wanting to spend hours and hours trying things which may not work, when you could just pay someone with some expertise in the area to sort it for you.

    But I completely understand that some people have niggling injuries

    We all have niggling injuries – whether we choose to moan about them or let them effect us or not is a different matter.

    Premier Icon jameso
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    the way cycling has become an aspirational activity

    A recurring point and seemingly a niggle for some. Is it just ‘the way people have more disposable income and less free time in general these days’ (maybe not, maybe just prioritising spending on fun stuff)? Or ‘the way our society is geared towards the service industry these days’ or ‘the way people who discover something they enjoy in their 30s or 40s can jump right in and spend money to increase their enjoyment, playing catch up almost’
    etc

    It’s not unique to ‘cycling’, it’s just about people.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    We all have niggling injuries

    I don’t. Nothing whatsoever.

    I know when I change to my winter shoes my cleats always feel wrong and I think ‘I should adjust them’, forget, and after 100 miles they feel normal, until I change back to summer shoes. I know friends who struggle with knee problems and what not if cleats aren’t aligned properly.

    We’re not all the same, what business is it of yours to tell folk they’re wrong?

    I don’t. Nothing whatsoever.

    Good, I’m pleased for you. Don’t believe a word of it though.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    What injuries do I have then?

    mrblobby
    Member

    We all have niggling injuries – whether we choose to moan about them or let them effect us or not is a different matter.

    Not wanting to sound too dramatic, but niggling injuries that go on and on are the ones that would really worry me. Ran on achilles tendinitis for a couple of years, not letting it effect my running. It’s now pretty much put an end to my running. If something’s not right, get it sorted.

    MrBlobby, but the problem is some people are taking a bikefit as gospel, that it is the only way.

    Can’t blame bike fitting for people’s stupidity 🙂

    discoduck
    Member

    Njee, I’ll elect to put you I’m 3rd place then, and to add to what crikey said, I did similar to this in the 80’s when I started riding, there was no place to hide behind a monitor giving it big licks and belittling people on forums back then, if you called some one a Dick then it was sorted out face to face,

    I went to the paper shop as a young lad and bought cycling weekly every Saturday morning. I spoke to guys at the club that were far more experienced than me and I read the articles cover to cover. All these tips were printed in there and experiences are passed from person to person whilst out riding.

    You have your opinions and others have theirs, the fact that you have not yet picked up an injury is astonishing, you really must be as good as you make out !

    When’s the next forum ride by the way ?

    Premier Icon njee20
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    I didn’t say I’ve never been injured, just that I don’t have any niggling injuries that dictate any set up specifics.

    I’d gladly go for a ride with you – most people are far less objectionable in real life than on here, so I’d give you the benefit of the doubt. Ironic you’re saying I’m the one who thinks he’s all that. Pot… Kettle…?

    Same question to you though – what is wrong with people paying money to skip the years of ‘research’ you deem necessary?

    The car/plumber/electrician analogy is a good one. Give it a few years and you can gain the knowledge to do just about anything.

    What injuries do I have then?

    Pruritus Ani.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    🙄

    Can I get a slow clap gif please?

    hilldodger
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    njee20 – Member

    ….. what business is it of yours to tell folk they’re wrong?

    I think Gulpton’s in the busines of “curing” people of niggling injuries they don’t know they have 😕

    Premier Icon njee20
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    Mmm, I ought to pay him so he can identify these injuries I must have. That’d be fine. However he wouldn’t be able to offer me bike fit tips to alleviate it, as I need to spend decades compiling that knowledge handed down by the elders of cycling.

    The elitist snobbery being exhibited by some here is all sorts of special.

    mrblobby
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    Same question to you though – what is wrong with people paying money to skip the years of ‘research’ you deem necessary?

    Also I can see how some people could get into the whole analysis paralysis thing and get into a right muddle about which way to go. In such cases it may be good to have a fresh perspective, which may be getting a mate or someone at a club to have a look and see what they think, or if you are happy to spend the cash, go for a bikefit.

    hilldodger
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    njee20 – Member
    Mmm, I ought to pay him so he can identify these injuries I must have

    Naaah, it’s only stuff he’s read in books, just do your own research and save a few bob.
    I mean who needs professional advise when there’s Google and Wiki 😉

    MrSmith
    Member

    Same question to you though – what is wrong with people paying money to skip the years of ‘research’ you deem necessary?

    Answer the question please.

    Cycling is a simple activity. Everything about it is simple. Some people want to make it appear complicated so that you think you need to purchase their specialist services at premium prices.

    A very limited number of those specialist services – the ones that I would pay for – strip everything back and show you just how simple cycling really is. They tend to be the ones that people rave about and get most from.

    Naaah, it’s only stuff he’s read in books, just do your own research and save a few bob.
    I mean who needs professional advise when there’s Google and Wiki

    Absolutely – Physio is another simple thing complicated by people who want to make you think you cant sort your own injuries out. Got pain – move about but stay short of pain – your body will do the rest.

    MrSmith
    Member

    Absolutely – Physio is another simple thing complicated by people who want to make you think you cant sort your own injuries out. Got pain – move about but stay short of pain – your body will do the rest.

    brilliant trolling. let me be the first to congratulate you. 😀

    Is it trolling if it’s true?

    mrblobby
    Member

    Hmm beginning to suspect that the OP doesn’t have a genuine interest in people’s responses to the question he originally posed and is merely looking for an opportunity to reinforce his own superiority complex 🙁

    is merely looking for an opportunity to reinforce his own superiority complex

    My superiority complex doesn’t need reinforced. 😀

    TiRed
    Member

    Exactly. One of those was my bike fit 😉 . I learned from it, adjusted, and now use that knowledge to fit others. I had a persistent itb injury, and examination of frame geometry revealed that my bikes weren’t set up the same for reach, i just used the same saddle in the same position on the rails. Moved the saddle forward 1 cm and all pain dissapeared and 200 mile weeks were no problem – 100 of which were being ridden on the offending fixed road bike.

    My cadence is 90rpm, and i ride for 600 minutes a week. That’s 72,000 pedal strokes per week. Of course fit matters and using some knowledge to minimise the risk of repetitive strain is important.

    As for, mtb fit – i’m honest enough to say that I just use what i know about road bikes. Saddle in same position for pedalling, but reach seems entirely personal depending on riding style.

    Premier Icon twonks
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    Absolutely – Physio is another simple thing complicated by people who want to make you think you cant sort your own injuries out. Got pain – move about but stay short of pain – your body will do the rest.

    I’ve just looked over the last couple of pages on this thread and find the discussion interesting – until I reached this point.

    The above statement is frankly short sighted and the reason a lot of people have ailments and restricted movements within muscles etc.

    If one thinks that the way to repair and regain use of damaged body parts – in particular muscles and tendons – is to not stress them and simply move around the problem, then one is going to suffer in the long run.

    Stretching into the pain zone and holding it is what is needed in a lot of cases, and avoiding it is about the worst thing one can do.

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    I wish to take issue with crikey – you, as a medic, should know that not everyone starts off cycling with a perfectly functioning and perfectly aligned body.

    Please explain to me, as an inexperienced roadie, exactly how I’m supposed to work out the set up whilst taking into account the foibles of my beaten up body?

    I will of course hold up my limp hand and confess to being a Southern softie and will be most being interested to hear what a ‘Northern hard man’ has to say. 😉

    bellefied
    Member

    Shame glupton didn’t find anything in his books about how to cure his small penis syndrome, it would have saved us from having to put up with his trolling

    The above statement is frankly short sighted and the reason a lot of people have ailments and restricted movements within muscles etc.

    The statement in question was written by a physio who works in elite sport.

    If one thinks that the way to repair and regain use of damaged body parts – in particular muscles and tendons – is to not stress them and simply move around the problem, then one is going to suffer in the long run.

    Show me where I said that.

    Stretching into the pain zone and holding it is what is needed in a lot of cases, and avoiding it is about the worst thing one can do.

    No, not ever. This would just serve to increase tension in a muscle and increase pain. Stretch reflex anyone?

    Premier Icon twonks
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    Show me where I said that.

    Absolutely – Physio is another simple thing complicated by people who want to make you think you cant sort your own injuries out. Got pain – move about but stay short of pain – your body will do the rest.

    Did you or did you not make the above comment not so long ago?

    If you don’t mean to include muscles and tendons in your original comment, then there isn’t a lot else one can associate with your words.

    How did you get from:

    Got pain – move about but stay short of pain – your body will do the rest.

    to

    If one thinks that the way to repair and regain use of damaged body parts – in particular muscles and tendons – is to not stress them and simply move around the problem, then one is going to suffer in the long run.

    ?

    Premier Icon twonks
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    This is getting silly.

    You said move about but stay short of pain.

    So from that how do you aim to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon for example. it has to be stretched and held for a period of time to elongate the tendon back to its pre broken state.

    This can not be done by carrying on as normal and stopping short of pain.

    I know this as I snapped my AT two years ago.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    The statement in question was written by a physio who works in elite sport.

    Must be right then, he’s a professional. Like bike fitters. Y’know – the ones whose work you’re dismissing.

    hilldodger
    Member

    glupton1976 – Member

    …. gag Stretch reflex anyone?

    You said move about but stay short of pain.

    Yes, but you interpreted that as move around pain – avoid movements that “might” cause pain. Two totally different things.

    So from that how do you aim to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon for example. it has to be stretched and held for a period of time to elongate the tendon back to its pre broken state.

    This can not be done by carrying on as normal and stopping short of pain.

    I feel that you might have been experiencing discomfort, but calling it pain. Bit like the rest of the population and a big part of the reason that obesity levels are sky-rocketing.

    MrSmith
    Member

    does chuck norris know you are in town?
    think i just found me a new hero.

    Premier Icon ransos
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    I give up.

    I compare it to buying a pair of shoes and having to pay extra to have someone tell you the right size.

    Have you never had your feet measured?

    Premier Icon twonks
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    I feel that you might have been experiencing discomfort, but calling it pain. Bit like the rest of the population and a big part of the reason that obesity levels are sky-rocketing.

    Discomfort is pain. Degrees of which differ between people and situations. You don’t have to be going through your leg with a blunt hacksaw to feel ‘pain’.

    FWIW I have felt and seen a lot of pain in 40+ years and I would class forcing my leg over into an Achilles stretch as pain – especially the first few times.

    As far as this thread goes I’ve commented and made my point so I’ll give up as it is going some what OT.

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