The Turner Prize 2024

Won by Jasleen Kaur this year, an artist celebrating the Scottish Sikh community.

Come on now. Surely someone wants to have a moan about a lady sticking a doily on a Ford Escort? 😉

This place is slipping.

BBC article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e3982dz8ko

It’s displeasing… I’m fairly sure that even though those wheels are Ford branded… They are the incorrect wheels for that car.

And why is there a picture of what looks like a BMW on the wall behind it?

So many questions, so few answers.

What kind of statement are they trying to make by that? … Something very sinister I’m sure…

What kind of statement ..?

Yeah, marvelous that innit. Art wot makes ya fink.

It looks like the sunlight reflecting off the glass has melted large holes in it

I feel like having a moan that it’s been 11 years since the last straight white male winner, in a country where about 40% of the population are straight white men, but not sure I care enough to bother.

My first thought was at last, a modern update to the legendary 5 spot

My second thought was **** me, were we really driving cars that looked like that?

It’s displeasing… I’m fairly sure that even though those wheels are Ford branded… They are the incorrect wheels for that car.

And why is there a picture of what looks like a BMW on the wall behind it?

So many questions, so few answers.

What kind of statement are they trying to make by that? … Something very sinister I’m sure…

Well, the photo could easily be the family with one of their family cars, the Escort has a boot lid spoiler, and a personalised plate, the wheels are very similar to those fitted to the RS1600i and RS Turbo Series 1, so it’s highly likely that it’s an XR3i, with a set of wheels from another Escort or a Capri.

I honestly fail to see why it’s‘ Displeasing’, when it looks very like an artwork representing a Sikh family and the cars that were/are important to them, the doily would be something like those that families would use to protect valuable items in the house.

Took me a minute or two to figure that out, but I’m artistically inclined enough to understand what artworks often represent.

Does that help?

I feel like having a moan that it’s been 11 years since the last straight white male winner, in a country where about 40% of the population are straight white men, but not sure I care enough to bother.

Wow! Seriously? I’m not sure what the population of straight white men has to do with the actual number of people involved in the arts, especially when you go back to the 18/19th century’s and women were hugely underrepresented in places like the Royal Academy, for what reasons I’m not sure, but I can hazard a guess, and it would be very interesting to see how many of those men were actually gay, especially when gay men make up a large percentage of the arts of various genres.

Maybe you should get out more…

I feel like having a moan that it’s been 11 years since the last straight white male winner, in a country where about 40% of the population are straight white men, but not sure I care enough to bother.

One for the Disproportionately Cross thread, probably

Edit. Actually, reading it again, maybe we need a new thread along the lines of “Things I could get annoyed about, but frankly CBA”

Definitely a case of ‘art is in the eye of the beholder’ there!

Although I do appreciate your particular interpretation.. That’s what art is all about, is it not?

Off topic but funny story I’ve probably said on here before..

I dragged my mate around the Tate Modern quite a few years ago.. Almost against his will.

I told him “most of the stuff you will see” you won’t relate too… But I guarantee you’ll see one or two things that really make you think.

And he was pleased that I did, he saw one or two exhibits that struck a chord with him on a personal level.

Definitely a case of ‘art is in the eye of the beholder’ there!

Although I do appreciate your particular interpretation.. That’s what art is all about, is it not?

As a fairly regular visitor to the Royal Academy Summer Exhibition, and a visitor to most of the major London galleries and museums over the years, I would certainly agree with you, but it’s never possible to predict just what will strike an emotional response; Anthony Gormley’s works I absolutely adore, I’ve actually got two tattoos of a couple of his concept sketches, one is, according to what was written next to it, nearly funded and a date 2025, so possibly a public piece…

His ‘Critical Mass’ installation in London was extraordinary.
There’s plenty of highly regarded pieces I wouldn’t hang in my loo, though…

Gay men make up a large percentage of the arts of various genres.

I don’t know if that’s true but I’ll take your word for it. Why would it be true though? I don’t see how sexuality should have any bearing on artistic ability or interest in the arts? Must be a social thing where straight men don’t feel as welcome in the arts? Is that a problem? I think if any other demographic was not proportionately represented in the arts we’d say it was a problem.

You’re absolutely right though I do need to get out more.

Between the angle and the antimacassar it’s hard to tell, but is that not an Orion?

Deffo an Orion.

but is that not an Orion?

Looking at it again.. It actually looks more like an Orion than an Escourt  Either way the wheels are wrong.

But what is art? If nothing else it’s supposed to strike a thought process and some thought and conversation.

So it’s totally execcded it’s face value already.

Here’s a couple of Gormley’s sketches which I’ve had inked, the top right one on the page,

…and actual examples – those full-size figures are cast iron, and the moulds taken directly from Gormley’s own body…

And something from The Cortaulds Gallery in London, that a few might recognise…

Deffo an Orion.

Clearly an allusion to the constellation.

Maybe it should have been titled “The car’s the stars”

I’ve found some pics from a different angle, it’s not an Orion, it’s a Mk3 Escort Cabriolet.

It’s a wonderful work of art and demonstrates such amazing technical skills.

You forgot the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags…

A few years back I was invited to the Glasgow School of Art for an exhibition and I felt like I must be uneducated maybe a philistine but very few exhibits appealed to me or could I get my head around

Too much use of the over head projector from a few, chuck in some nude swimming in a lake etc

Some of it looked like it was figured out the Friday night at the pub on the back of a fag packet

I think some of them are now at the modern art gallery at Ravelston

Honestly, if the antimacassar is hand made, that’s pretty impressive.

As for whether it is art, well, art is what it is. It’s subjective and holds a mirror up to life. If someone likes it, appreciates it or understands what it is communicating, it could be said to be art. It’s not really my thing, but I appreciate the effort of the antimacassar and that they found a car that age in what looks like such good condition. It looks like it has some rust in the sills, but that can be fixed.

If the art classes in the sixth form colleges that I taught in over 30 odd years are anything to go by, probably 60+% of art students who subsequently went to art college were female so the demographic may well be skewed

Where’s the KLF when you need them?

“If the art classes in the sixth form colleges that I taught in over 30 odd years are anything to go by, probably 60+% of art students who subsequently went to art college were female so the demographic may well be skewed”

Was just about to post the same. I went to art college 30 years ago and the mix was about 65 percent female, although the teaching staff were 90 percent male. As time moves on those stats inevitably work their way through the system, now more than half the teaching staff are female, as are about three quarters of the students and when it comes to employment within galleries and museums and the distribution of funding the discrepancy is even higher.

If so few men are studying art then it’s hardly surprising that there a fewer men represented within the arts further down the line.

I know there’s very little logic to it, but I like to see a bit of graft. Ideally by the bod being credited with its creation. I can live with being too daft to understand it, or finding it aesthetically unedifying – but a bit of graft; some blood, sweat and tears, is always good to see. Works for most things in life – apart from yarn bombing postbox topper makers. They can get in the sea.

Well it’s had some comments.. Maybe not in the way the artist originally intended…

But is it art?

I honestly fail to see why it’s‘ Displeasing’, when it looks very like an artwork representing a Sikh family and the cars that were/are important to them, the doily would be something like those that families would use to protect valuable items in the house.

I’m reading the doily it as the opression of someting more young and new?

Even though the composition is made of ‘old’ things… i’ts an expression of power.

Maybe the artists intention by placing a huge random doily on it, is a means to bring attention to the fact certain people in all walks of society can get smothered by a load of poo, and that we should all  look after each other when we can.

But that’s the beauty of art… you can read into it what ever you like.

It’s reminded me of this remodelled Porsche I saw in the Museum of Old and New Art (MONA) in Tasmania a few years ago. Bad phone photo – I think the camera couldn’t cope with the reflected light.