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    Robert Tressel's "Great Money Trick" springs to mind

    "Money is the real cause of poverty," said Sipho.
    "Prove it," said Thandi.
    "Money is the cause of poverty because it is the
    device by which those who are too lazy to work are
    enabled to rob the workers of the fruits of our labour."
    "Prove it," repeated Thandi.
    Sipho slowly folded up the piece of newspaper he
    had been reading and put it into his pocket.
    "All right," he replied, "I'll show you how the Great
    Money Trick is worked."
    Sipho opened his lunchbox and took from it two
    slices of bread, but as these were not enough, he
    asked that anyone who had some bread left should
    give it to him. They gave him several pieces, which
    he placed in a heap on a clean piece of paper, and,
    having borrowed the knives they used to cut and eat
    their lunches with from Nkosi, Thandi and Abendigo,
    he addressed them as follows:
    "These pieces of bread represent the raw materials
    which exist naturally in and on the earth for the
    use of all people; they were not made by any human
    being, but were created for the benefit and suste-
    nance of all, the same as were the air and the light
    of the sun."
    "Now," continued Sipho, "I am a capitalist; or
    rather, I represent the bosses and landlords; the
    Capitalist Class. That is to say, all these raw materials
    belong to me. It does not matter for our present
    argument how I got possession of them: the only
    thing that matters now is the admitted fact that all the
    raw materials which are necessary for the production
    of the necessaries of life are now the property of the
    Capitalist Class. I am that class: all these raw materials
    belong to me."
    "Now you three represent the Working Class.
    You have nothing, and for my part, although I have
    these raw materials, they are of no use to me. What
    I need is the things that can be made out of these
    raw materials by work: but I am too lazy to work for
    myself. But first I must explain that I possess some-
    thing else besides the raw materials. These three
    knives represent all the machinery of production: the
    factories, tools, railways, and so forth, without which
    the necessaries of life cannot be produced in abun-
    dance. And these three coins" – taking three 5 cent
    pieces out of his pocket – "represent my money, capital."

    Sipho proceeded to cut up one of the slices of
    bread into a number of little square blocks.
    "These represent the things which are produced
    by labour, aided by machinery, from the raw materials.
    We will suppose that a week's work is worth one
    Rand."
    Sipho now spoke to the Working Class as represented
    by Nkosi, Thandi and Abendigo.
    "You say that you are all in need of employment,
    and as I am the kind-hearted Capitalist Class, I am
    going to invest all my money in various industries, so
    as to give you plenty of work. I shall pay each of you
    one Rand per week, and a week's work is that you
    must each produce three of these square blocks.
    For doing this work you will each receive your
    wages; the money will be your own, to do as you like
    with, and the things you produce will of course be
    mine, to do as I like with.
    You will each take one of these machines and as
    soon as you have done a week's work, you shall
    have your money."
    The Working Class accordingly set to work, and
    the Capitalist Class sat down and watched them. As
    soon as they had finished, they passed the nine little
    blocks to Sipho, who placed them on a piece of
    paper by his side and paid the workers their wages.
    "These blocks represent the necessaries of life.
    You can't live without some of these things, but as
    they belong to me, you will have to buy them from
    me: my price for these blocks is, one Rand each."
    As the Working Class were in need of the neces-
    saries of life and as they could not eat, drink or wear
    the useless money, they were compelled to agree to
    the kind capitalist's terms. They each bought back,
    and at once consumed, one-third of the produce of
    their labour. The Capitalist Class also devoured two
    of the square blocks, and so the net result of the
    week's work was that the kind capitalist had con-
    sumed two Rand's worth of the things produced by
    the labour of the others, and reckoning the squares
    at their market value of one Rand each, he had more
    than doubled his capital, for he still possessed the
    three Rands in money and in addition four Rands
    worth of goods. As for the Working Class, Nkosi,
    Thandi and Abendigo, having each consumed the
    Rand's worth of necessaries they had bought with
    their wages, they were again in precisely the same
    condition as when they started work – they had nothing.

    This process was repeated several times: for
    each week's work the producers were paid their
    wages. They kept on working and spending all their
    earnings. The kind-hearted capitalist consumed
    twice as much as any one of them and his pool of
    wealth continually increased. In a little while, reckoning
    the little squares at their market value of one
    Rand each, he was worth about one hundred Rand,
    and the Working Class was still in the same condition
    as when they began, and were still tearing into
    their work as if their lives depended upon it.
    After a while the rest of the crowd began to laugh,
    and their merriment increased when the kind-heart-
    ed capitalist, just after having sold a Rand's worth of
    necessaries to each of his workers, suddenly took
    their tools, the machinery of production, the knives,
    away from them, and informed them that as owing to
    over-production, all his storehouses were full-to-
    bursting with the necessaries of life, he had decided
    to close down the works.
    "Well, and what the bloody hell are we to do
    now?" demanded Thandi.
    "That's not my business," replied the kind-hearted
    capitalist. "I've paid your wages, and provided you
    with plenty of work for a long time past. I have no
    more work for you to do at present. Come round
    again in a few months' time and I'll see what I can do
    for you."
    "But what about the necessaries of life?"
    Demanded Nkosi.
    "We must have something to eat."
    "Of course you must," replied the capitalist, in a
    friendly way; "and I shall be very pleased to sell you
    some."
    "But we haven't got any bloody money!"
    "Well, you can't expect me to give you my goods
    for nothing! You didn't work for me for nothing, you
    know.
    I paid you for your work and you should have saved
    something: you should have been careful like me.
    Look how I have got on by being careful!"
    The unemployed looked
    blankly at e a c h other, but the rest of the crowd
    only laughed; and then the three unemployed
    began to abuse the kind-hearted capitalist, demanding that he
    should give them some of the necessaries of life that
    he had piled up in his warehouses, or to be allowed
    to work and produce some more for their own needs;
    and even threatened to take some of the things by
    force if he did not agree with their demands. But the
    kind-hearted capitalist told them not to be cheeky,
    and spoke to them about honesty, and said if they
    were not careful he would have their faces battered
    in for them by the police, or if necessary he would
    call out the army and have them shot down like
    dogs, the same as he had done before at many other
    places.

    Talkemada
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    tiger_roach
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    Uplink – so they started out with nothing and ended up with nothing? Also, the capitalist has a surplus of products which are depreciating in value as demand far exceeds supply. Are there no other capitalists to give them work? Or a state to tax them all in order to provide support when they need? Or a bank to loan them the money to go into business for themselves?

    rightplacerighttime
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    tiger roach, it's a parable.

    molgrips
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    Let's just remember that without capitalism we would all still be hunter gatherers.

    Bad or not? You decide.

    rightplacerighttime
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    molgrips, have you watched that video yet?

    Junkyard
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    tiger that was completely lost on you wasn't it[rhetorical point in case that was lost in you too]. As RPRT said it is a parable and the message is clearly lost on you.
    Perhaps you could read the parable of the sower and reconsider your view that everyone who succeeds has done it from their own endevaours ?

    molgrips
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    No I'm at work.

    tiger_roach
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    FFS I'm just saying that it is irrelevant.

    uplink
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    Just duck next time something like that comes along tiger

    Junkyard
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    par·a·ble? ?/?pær?b?l/ Show Spelled[par-uh-buhl] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
    2.a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

    I would have thought the message of the parable was fairly clear for any reader.
    I initially thought your response to it was sarcasm but I over estimated you …wont let it happen again.

    LHS
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    ar·gu·men·ta·tive? ?/??rgy??m?nt?t?v/ Show Spelled[ahr-gyuh-men-tuh-tiv] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1. fond of or given to argument and dispute; disputatious; contentious: The law students were an unusually argumentative group.
    2. of or characterized by argument; controversial: an argumentative attitude toward political issues.
    3. Law . arguing or containing arguments suggesting that a certain fact tends toward a certain conclusion.

    allthepies
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    I stopped reading at the bosses too lazy to work bit.

    Socialist clap trap.

    Talkemada
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    bastard [?b??st?d ?bæs-]
    n
    1. Informal, offensive an obnoxious or despicable person
    2. Informal, often humorous or affectionate a person, esp a man lucky bastard
    3. Informal something extremely difficult or unpleasant that job is a real bastard
    4. Old-fashioned or offensive a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate baby, child, or adult
    5. something irregular, abnormal, or inferior
    6. Talkemada
    7. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Breeds) a hybrid, esp an accidental or inferior one
    adj (prenominal)
    1. Old-fashioned or offensive illegitimate by birth
    2. irregular, abnormal, or inferior in shape, size, or appearance
    3. resembling a specified thing, but not actually being such a bastard cedar
    4. counterfeit; spurious
    [from Old French bastart, perhaps from bast in the phrase fils de bast son of the packsaddle (that is, of an unlawful and not the marriage bed), from Medieval Latin bastum packsaddle, of uncertain origin]

    😯

    LHS
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    con·de·scend·ing?bell·end ?Spelled[kon-duh-sen-ding bell-en-de]

    –adjective
    1. showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority:
    2. Junkyard

    😉

    molgrips
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    It's worth pointing out that bankers etc often do work pretty hard. Just because it's not physical doesn't mean it's not hard.

    rightplacerighttime
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    Some criminals work pretty hard. Just because it's not legal doesn't mean it's not hard.

    LHS
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    Some criminals work pretty hard. Just because it's not legal doesn't mean it's not hard.

    Didn't you mention something earlier about absurd responses?

    😯

    Junkyard
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    it is hard not to condescend someone who fails to undestand a parable, takes it literally and then says FFS it is irrelevant. Clearly they have not got it.
    Bell end you say surely we must have met then?

    LHS
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    it is hard not to condescend someone

    Yes, we get you. 🙄

    Junkyard
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    Sorry did you need a wink to get the sarcasm?

    This is easy I am on a roll now 😆

    JOKING I will stop now
    IGMC.

    LHS
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    IGMC

    I've already put it in the taxi for you!

    😉

    Talkemada
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    trailmonkey
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    You've got to hand it to Dave there for finding a photo opp with someone even more loathsome looking than himself.

    rightplacerighttime
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    Didn't you mention something earlier about absurd responses?

    You know the difference between funny peculiar and funny ha ha?

    Midnighthour
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    I remember the buses being 'deregulated' so that fares would come down, service would improve, lots of competition between companies in every city – a glowing, enhanced world better for all bus users.

    Since then, nearly ever bus company in every city is owned by the same ntional firm. They also have a finger in the trains, so even less competition between modes of transport.

    Lots of the routes have disappeared as packed routes no longer help support community routes, so the public are giving money to shareholders to keep the routes open, if the company even agrees to help communities.

    All the profits that went to improving the service/keeping prices lower now go to the shareholders pockets.

    Now we have a £2 fare here to go under half a mile – this is at the 'low rate' not the high rate fares during rush hour!

    Midnighthour
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    Oh and my main memory from Thatchers era

    "Utterly selfish is Good. Feel no shame."

    rightplacerighttime
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    Ha ha, talkemada – thanks for bringing me that bit of lunchtime fun.

    Just in case any of you missed that link:

    made me laugh.

    uplink
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    Since then, nearly ever bus company in every city is owned by the same ntional firm

    I think you'll find they've been re-nationalised

    by the German government

    catvet
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    Mmmm
    despite the attitudes of most of this forums contributors, we are all guilty of spending what probably to most of the world would believe is obscene amounts of money on a push bike!!
    IMO

    tiger_roach
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    Junkyard – I shall ignore your preference to insult rather than be constructive but will suggest you put down what you think the point of the parable is so that we can at least see what you think we are talking about.

    backhander
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    The labour supporter in that photo looks angry doesn't he?

    konabunny
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    I can't remember the tax paid in Thatchers day but I can remember the growing costs today.

    Before April the 1st my car tax was £175 a year. Now its £200. Ontop of this I damaged the suspension on my car recently (£150).
    You wouldn't have damaged your suspension under the Tories?

    Let's just remember that without capitalism we would all still be hunter gatherers.

    Eh? No, we'd have a feudal system, or we'd have skipped capitalism and gone straight to state capitalism, as they did in the USSR (before they went back to a kind of capitalism).

    backhander
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    we'd have skipped capitalism and gone straight to state capitalism, as they did in the USSR (before they went back to a kind of capitalism).

    Because it didn't work?

    Talkemada
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    Shall I have Ravioli for me tea?

    backhander
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    If it's fresh, yes. From a can, no.

    Talkemada
    Free Member

    But I like Heinz tinned Ravioli! 🙁

    backhander
    Free Member

    Ok, but only for a special treat.

    Talkemada
    Free Member

    Yay! 😀

    Pigface
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    Is this the best song to sum Britain under the Tory jackboot 😉

    saw them once and they played it about 5 times in one set.

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