Suella! Braverman!

Only anecdotal Ernie but my right wing relatives I have mentioned before were a police family and they believe the police are soft on lefties.nowadays.  they would agree with Braverman I am sure

Back on the original topic of Suella DeVille, apparently the Prime Minister has stated she has his full support. I’ve always understood that to be code for “I’m supporting her until I have the first possible opportunity to kick her sorry ass out of the government”.

An interesting perspective I heard on a podcast was that she would be more dangerous on the backbenches, so it may be a case of keep your friends close…

He may be letting her go full send, so that she crosses a line that means he can drop her with little blowback on himself?

Ta RM

ON poppies its only folks who have served whos views I consider but I wouldn’t want to be seen as offensive

“When I were a kid”… Armistice Day was a school thing, Remembrance Sunday was a Cubs/Scouts thing.

White poppy… great as a symbol, but my grandparents drilled into me the importance of the RBL, so a donation to them if not wearing a red poppy feels like a worth while thing to do. Everything is optional though, and no one should feel pressed to do anything. I always find quiet time on my own to think of my dad and his service, despite him being big on parades himself (was in the Colour Squadron). I’m all up for marching bands at other times, just that anything with any, for want of a better word, “bombast” around these dates feels odd to me… I don’t like what it brings out in some people*, or how it looks to others.

[ EDIT: *I absolutely don’t mean those that served ]

were a police family and they believe the police are soft on lefties.

No doubt that was widespread among coppers themselves…..way too soft on unwashed longhaired bearded lefties.

But that is not what I was referring to. I don’t think that publicly criticising the police is popular with Tory Party members. I would be very surprised if there was evidence to suggest the contrary.

I’ve always understood that to be code for “I’m supporting her until I have the first possible opportunity to kick her sorry ass out of the government”.

Its more the question “do you have full confidence” is code for “you are going to sack them arent you?”
That the question is being asked at all is dangerous for a politician. Whilst the PM has to answer “yes I have full confidence” as otherwise the follow up is “so why do they still have a job” it is going to count on the negative side of the “keep them or not” debate.

Sounds like the Police are expecting the Right to arrive in numbers tomorrow. The whole problem created by the Home Secretary being an asshole. Hopefully they will be “guarding” the Cenotaph while the big march ignores them grom a mile away.

The danger being what happens away from the expected trouble spots, of course.

A friend who is ex Navy (Falklands veteran) shared one of those FB “I’ll wear my poppy with pride no matter what people think” posts. He was probably surprised how many of us pointed out we have never had an issue wearing a poppy, and he should ignore scare stories in patriotic newspapers run by patriotic tax exiles

At school it was always the 11th

Because you weren’t at school on Remembrance Day perhaps?

I was – although if the fixture list was kind, I would have been running in a forest somewhere.

Remember 6 months ago when a certain football pundit was publicly vilified for comparing the language used by the Home Secretary to 1930’s Germany?

How’s that looking now?

It’s beyond pathetic that Sunak is just going to sit back and let her do this. It makes it obvious who is really running the country

its been obvious for years. 

Hopefully not too late, but just a quick heads up for anyone wanting to attend tomorrow’s demo, particularly those who may have kids with them;

Antifascists expect more than 1000 fascists to be assembled in London, under various organisations rather than as a single group. While most of London will be at risk, and people should not enter or leave demos alone, we especially advise caution near Trafalgar square and Vauxhall bridge, as well as avoiding charring cross, victoria and waterloo stations as much as possible, as these areas areex anticipated to have especially large numbers of fash.

Meeting points and times of where the fash will be tomorrow: https://www.instagram.com/p/CzdkikAg5VX/?igshid=MWhpeHMzdTQxZDNocA==

I’m not affiliated with that Instagram account in any way; just trying to share info that can hopefully help in avoiding any trouble. Obviously Suella Braverman and other far-right elements want the march to be marred by violence, as it suits their narrative. Most of the far-right boneheads will be some way beyond actually causing any real damage, as they’ll be too tanked up to even see straight, but in my experience there will be a number who are proper nasty bastards, so stay safe and keep your wits about you. The vast majority of us just want a peaceful march to exercise our democratic right to protest. A march calling for peace, on Armistice Day, is more than apt right now. It’s sadly ironic that some of those self-labelled ‘patriots’ are also the same kind who throw nazi salutes at demos. Yet Suella calls the demo calling for peace, a ‘hate march’. Shows what side she is on. 

But that is not what I was referring to. I don’t think that publicly criticising the police is popular with Tory Party members. I would be very surprised if there was evidence to suggest the contrary.

No data, but anecdotally in my area, so covered by the Met, most people I know hold the police in very low regard so I don’t see criticizing them as an issue at all.

The religious element of the Remembrance day is pretty short, a decent padre can canter through it in less than 10 mins – at junior school we loved remembrance day as a result as the service was so much shorter – nothing was observed on Armistice Day. In fact I have a vivid memory of an RO who worked for my father bemoaning how noone paid any attention to Armistice Day any more.

When growing up I was at school so have limited recollection of what my father did on Remembrance Day, I think he just went to the Village Church in his suit with the rest of us like he did every Sunday before I went away.

most people I know hold the police in very low regard

You should consider changing your friends mefty, maybe spend more time in the company of law-abiding citizens who respect the police, and less time with right-wing Tory troublemakers?

It’s beyond pathetic that Sunak is just going to sit back and let her do this. It makes it obvious who is really running the country

The vice is closing on Bravermans pro-hate comments, in public, at least. What’s happening in internal tory daily meetings is a different matter!

Sunak is a zombie PM, if there was ever a case for an emergency GE, it’s now.

You should consider changing your friends mefty, maybe spend more time in the company of law-abiding citizens who respect the police, and less time with right-wing Tory troublemakers?

It is their very respect for the law that leads them to their upset at its maladminsitration.

Mattyfezz – the touble is the right wing headbangers installed her in the first place and they are threatening all sorts if he sacks her.  she is too useful an idiot for them to let her be sacked without a fightSunak has no good choices.  Keep her in place and she will just keep on escalating knowing she is untouchable.  Sack her and the loons will cause huge trouble including resignations from the front bench and calling for a vote of confidence in Sunak.

Either way Starmer will stick the knife in.  Its eiyther – ” you knew she was like this, why did you appoint her” or ” how weak to let her stay “

Its does have an end of days feel about it.  But the tories will never let the government collapse early.  They have a nice grip on Sunaks testicles and are enjoying the gravy train too much.

It is their very respect for the law that leads them to their upset at its maladminsitration.

Well I’m glad to hear that you don’t knock around with Tory politicians then.

Even the Tory Home Secretary has contempt for the law. Section 13 of the Public Order Act 1986 states that a police commissioner can ask the home secretary to prohibit a protest from taking place but it must be based on intelligence which suggests there will be a real threat of serious disorder and no other way for police to manage the event.

Suella Braverman wants to ignore the legal restrictions placed on the Met Commissioner and tried to insist that he broke the law.

A very poor show for a Home Secretary 😕

What’s happening in internal tory daily meetings is a different matter!

Quite understandably the Tory Party is gripped by unprecedented panic, as they face the possibility of electoral Armageddon in just a few months time. It is to be totally expected that faced with such a monumental crisis they should be at each other’s throats and in complete disarray.

To compound their problem they are led by a leader who is scared of his own side.

Yeah, I feel the conservatives will now leave it until two minutes to midnight before they call an election.

How long can they legaly string it out for?

They have a nice grip on Sunaks testicles and are enjoying the gravy

Wait, what?

latest hey can do is January 2025
but that would mean campaigning through xmas (no one would thank them for ruining another xmas, not least their own canvasers) and once the annual nhs flu crisis is under way they’ll be vulnerable to attacks on NHS

so autumn 2024

who knows maybe braverman will be PM by then

How long can they legaly string it out for?

28th January 2025 would be the latest GE date.
If they dont call an election and hit the five years limit on the 17th December (with the election happening 25 working days later).
Outside of the fixed term parliament under Cameron I think it would be the first time parliament automatically dissolved rather than asking the monarch so would be another inglorious tick for the tories.
Would also be the first GE on anything other than a Thursday since prior to WWII.

I was thinking they would be going for the autumn election but I wouldnt put it past them to time it out just to show how they have wrecked the tory party.

Either way Starmer will stick the knife in.

Except they’ll miss and trip and stab themselves in the foot.

YOu know what Tories are like Poopscoop

onehundrethidiot

Actually one thing Starmer has done well is stick the knife into Sunak and the tories IMO

@mattyfez

The vice is closing on Bravermans pro-hate comments, in public, at least.

I unfortunately live in her constituancy in Hampshire where she has reigned supreme for years, and many tories before her. The latest poll’s show her retaining her seat by a large majority. I can only apologise to everyone outside of Fareham that there is nothing I can do to help remove her.

I think the Fareham constituency’s being re-jigged, so you never know …
🤞

Braverman’s mew constituency will be one of the safest Tory seats

Tommy Robinson and his band of far right thugs are presently marching through London, chanting like a bunch of football hooligans and posting it all over social media. I won’t repost the footage but it’s still pretty shocking to think that this is happening because they were essentially given the nod by the home secretary herself and then have the PM sit by and do nothing to stop it.

This is most definitely now flirting with fascism when you’ve such a senior politician emboldening and enabling nationalist thugs. They’re all clearly up for a kick off and I’ll be amazed if today goes off without serious violence, which is of course exactly what Cruella wants

How the **** did we get here? Actually… we all know full well how we got here, don’t we?

The patriotic far-right getting ready for their 2 minute silence.

The far right paying their respects to the war dead. Absolute disgrace. ⁦@SuellaBraverman⁩ this is on you pic.twitter.com/0Rbspj4bfE

— Nick Lowles (@lowles_nick) November 11, 2023

Good post rm

Facilitated and enabled by braverman; (tacitly) endorsed by sunak.
They are as reprehensible as the right wing mob.
In some senses, worse.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pro-palestine-march-protest-london-police-armistice-b2445609.html

Three West Ham fans ask a police officer: “How far is Trafalgar Square? Is it kicking off there? That’s where I wanna be.”

The police officer gives precise instructions on how to get there, saying it’s five minutes away.

I am assuming that the copper was aware that nothing was kicking off in Trafalgar Square as it isn’t on today’s route, and as far as I am aware the police have imposed an exclusion zone around Trafalgar Square.

I am slightly surprised that there is as many counter protestors as the article suggests, I didn’t think that much more than a thousand was likely.

A number of them explicitly stated that they had come because of the home secretary Suella Braverman’s comments over pro-Palestinian “hate marches” and that police treated them unfavourably compared with “politically correct minority groups”.

Braverman’s new constituency will be one of the safest Tory seats

I’ve always been under the impression it already was (as a constituent).
They do seem to like a Conservative round here.
In the 2019 GE she had 63% of the vote on a 70%+ turnout and a majority of 26000 or so.

Is this enough to see Braverman charged with “inciting racial hatred”?  Or “behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace”?

oh dear

Some hooligans are furious at Tommy Robinson, others pointing the finger at him. He led the group to Chinatown and then fled in a taxi. Moments later the riot police turned up…. #interesting

— Nick Lowles (@lowles_nick) November 11, 2023

braverman’s Brownshirts

Here's another bit of footage from Chinatown, as police battle far right thugs throwing missiles. Video @hopenothate pic.twitter.com/WBAK2eSQjY

— Nick Lowles (@lowles_nick) November 11, 2023

I genuinely surprised how many Jewish individuals and organisations there are here on the demo today. And they aren’t just here but willing to identify themselves as Jewish.

Very strange for an alledged hate march which is apparently frightening the Jewish community.