Suella! Braverman!

damn david davis talking sense

He might be on the right of the party but it won’t be the first time that he has talked sense.

He has been outspoken in his criticism of the Tory government plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Yeah, David Davis is at least consistent and doesn’t soil his petticoats in outrage whenever he hears something he doesn’t like. Unlike the rest of these self-appointed ‘libertarians’ in the tory party who think that freedom of speech is very much a one-way street that applies to them but nobody else

ironically, neo-nazi far-right thugs descending onto London in support of Israel.

Ironic indeed. Far right thugs with swastika tattoos, supporting Israel. How bizarre.

^^ Yeah, they aren’t there to support anything, they are there to get drunk and get into a ruck.

Total nihilistic thugs.

Sunday’s march

Doooh.

^^ In fairness I thought it was Sunday until yesterday. Lol

ironically, neo-nazi far-right thugs descending onto London in support of Israel.

They couldn’t give a flying **** about Israel

Yeah, they aren’t there to support anything, they are there to get drunk and get into a ruck.

Very much this. And look what Suella Braverman has provoked. Before she gave them all the nod that she agrees with them and she’s on their side, Tommy and co weren’t planning on heading to London, but now….

They are very much all up for a kick off and when they do it will all be on Cruella

https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1722923817532612979?s=20

There are some definite attempts to confuse the matter by the right wing rags.

Happily at least some of the inbreds think its Sunday as well so will be turning up for their fight a day late.
Should be amusing when they try to get close to the Cenotaph to “protect” it from a march, several miles away and a day earlier, and run into the cops protecting the various dignitaries.

Yaxley-Lennon is a long standing supporter of Israel.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-pictured-holding-gun-on-israeli-tank-near-syrian-border-a3393256.html

The current Israeli coalition government includes cabinet ministers with very similar far-right political views as that of Yaxley-Lennon.

Happily at least some of the inbreds think its Sunday

Oi! That really upset me and my OH. (That happens to be my sister.)

ernielynch
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Yaxley-Lennon is a long standing supporter of Israel.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-pictured-holding-gun-on-israeli-tank-near-syrian-border-a3393256.html

The current Israeli coalition government includes cabinet ministers with very similar far-right political views as that of Yaxley-Lennon.

Definite, “the enemy of my enemy” stuff going on there.

Aaaaaaaw bless… they let him cosplay with some guns

To be fair Yaxley-Lennon is probably a tad more liberal than the Israeli National Security Minister:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/25/world/israeli-minister-racist-claim-intl/index.html

And the Israeli Finance Minister who calls himself a fascist:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-my-voters-dont-care-im-a-homophobic-fascist-but-my-word-is-my-word/

They are very much all up for a kick off and when they do it will all be on Cruella

A very British January 6th….

Yaxley Lemmon – what a 1st class ****t.

^^ In fairness I thought it was Sunday until yesterday. Lol

No shame in that – they have been deliberately conflating the two.

It’s also because the only day that used to matter was Remembrance Sunday, now suddenly Armistice Day has increased in importance.

ernielynch
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It’s also because the only day that used to matter was Remembrance Sunday, now suddenly Armistice Day has increased in importance.

That’s definitely the reason I’m getting confuzzled.

A really good article on the problem Cruella and her ilk by Ian Dunt

The unfathomable bottomless stupidity of Suella Braverman

The Braverman story is about one thing and one thing only. It is that she is a moron. She is stupid in ways that can barely be described with words. She is an object lesson in the death of the human brain. She is an accumulation of dust on the floor of an unused factory. She is a moral imbecile.

That’s the real meaning behind that Times piece and it is the only pertinent piece of information we require. Of course Sunak should fire her, but not because of some code or other. He should do it because she is demonstrably intellectually incapable of doing the job.

This is par for the course. Stupidity is not a bar to progress in modern British politics. It is a requirement.

There has been some really dark deals done for Sunak to be PM.

He is so weak that he can’t sack the most batshit mental Home Secretary in history.

He is absolutely the worst of the worst.

For me its been the other way round.  Armistice day was the most important and only in more recent years has the Sunday become seen to be so key.  It was always there but the 11th was the key day.  Remembrance sunday was there for those who could not observe the 11th and for the religious

The Armistice, an agreement to end the fighting of the First World War as a prelude to peace negotiations

Hence having the peace march on Saturday – Armistice day. Calling for the guns to fall silent and peace negotiations to start.

only in more recent years has the Sunday become seen to be so key.

Nah, all the fuss concerning Michael Foot’s alledged donkey jacket (it wasn’t a donkey jacket) happened over 40 years ago on Remembrance Sunday. Remembrance Sunday has always been the big day.

for politicians maybe.   Maybe the emphasis was different in different places or maybe my atheist upbringing but the 11th has always been the day to member – even at school and in all my workplaces.  Everything stops for the silence on the 11th.  the Sunday was not observed in the same way at all.

NW England, remembrance Sunday was the biggie.  As a child there was no real nod towards Armistice Day. C of E primary schools, state secondary school.

Entirely the opposite to TJ for me.

When I was in the Cadets at school, it was the Remembrance Sunday. Full parade, church service.

The actual 11th was rarely mentioned, certainly didn’t get a 2min silence during lessons or anything.

Not in my experience.
The focus has always been on Remembrance Sunday.
Armistice Day was always recognised but only in recent years has it been more recognised publicly.
Both days are, IMO, hugely important so…let’s just leave it that.

As for braverman – a taste of what’s to come from the tory party.
She should have been removed as soon as it was clear she had ignored the No 10 press office – and, by extension, sunak.
When spineless sunak eventually removes her there should be an accompanying statement comprehensively rejecting her comments.
That won’t happen.
sunak is pathetically weak; a moral vacuum; has no ‘political instinct’ and is either a brilliant or piss poor judge of character.
The sooner he pisses off to count his money, the better.

My recollection was that the Sunday was the big day. No silences on the 11th until relatively recently (early 21st century).

As for the confusion, a lesson in propaganda.  We are constantly told that it would disrupt a ceremony and pass by the Whitehall cenotaph.  Tell a lie, tell it often,   Oh for the days when this sort of behaviour was considered far fetched.

Remembrance Sunday has been the official National day of remembrance since WWII. Renewed focus on the marking of Armistice Day took place in, I think, the 90s, following a campaign by the Sun.

EDIT: Ernie, I am not convinced criticism of the police is a major no no in the Tory party anymore and hasn’t been for some time – Theresa May made a speech at the Police Federation when Home Secretary that was pretty scathing.

for politicians maybe. Maybe the emphasis was different in different places or maybe my atheist upbringing but the 11th has always been the day to member – even at school and in all my workplaces. Everything stops for the silence on the 11th. the Sunday was not observed in the same way at all.

Even when deployed (where safe & appropriate) the 11th and the silence is observed by (almost) all members of HM Armed Forces.

Sunday is a huge day within, I’m glad I no longer have to try and stand on parade holding a weapon while someone reads out the Regimental Operational Honour Roll though.

In other news I got questioned as to where my poppy was today by one of these new breed ‘patriots’, that was a fun conversation.

Interesting folks thoughts about which day to observe. At school it was always the 11th and a silence and thats back in the 70s and usually noted at my work as well (often ‘cos I prompted it 🙂 )  I have never taken note of the sunday.  I always considered that a religious thing

My recollection is that the two minutes of silence is relatively recent, because there wasn’t the prevalence of national radio networks to allow the transmission of the striking of Big Ben and the gun salute.
Remembrance Sunday has been observed in Commonwealth member states since 1919. Remembrance Day evolved out of Armistice Day, which was initially observed at Buckingham Palace during the evening of November 10 1919 when King George V hosted a banquet in honour of the President of the French Republic – the first official Armistice Day was held the following morning in the grounds of Buckingham Palace.

I bet it was a fun conversation RM!

What do you think of the white poppy?  Peace pledge union.

Relapsed_mandalorian,

In other news I got questioned as to where my poppy was today by one of these new breed ‘patriots’, that was a fun conversation.

I got that last year. I asked for their Reggie number. When none was forthcoming I told them to wind their neck in.

I’ve been hovering on this chat with zero input. All I will say is, it happens every year. Remembrance is used and abused for peoples own political agendas, that goes for the left and right. Serving military, veterans and families just want to have their day to remember. Stop politicising it and let us get on with it.

I always considered that a religious thing

It is, the church gotta keep relevant somehow. It always caused a moral conflict for a few of us as atheists, on one hand I object to the chat about god and all that bollocks, but I also have a professional and personal responsibility to attend and do my bit.

In terms of the actual act of remembrance, that’s a frequently occurring thing, I don’t need a single day for it!

RM and others that have served – how do you view the white poppy?  ~Genuine question.

Was thinking about this and where I grew up, it definitely felt like the 11/11 was the main event, and remembrance sunday was a movable feast that was connected to it, and it always felt really secondary. But thinking about this, that might have just been because 11/11 was often on a school/work day! Remembrance Sunday was a thing in London on the TV, pretty much, while Armistice Day was a thing we were more involved in and did local events and suchlike.

Back on the original topic of Suella DeVille, apparently the Prime Minister has stated she has his full support. I’ve always understood that to be code for “I’m supporting her until I have the first possible opportunity to kick her sorry ass out of the government”.

Ernie, I am not convinced criticism of the police is a major no no in the Tory party anymore and hasn’t been for some time – Theresa May made a speech at the Police Federation when Home Secretary that was pretty scathing.

May’s speech to the Police Federation in 2014? How many times has it occurred since then?

I wouldn’t say that no Tory politician ever criticises the police but the police isn’t treated as an aunt sally by the Tory Party in the way the BBC, immigrants, leftie lawyers, etc, are.

I remain unconvinced that publicly undermining respect for the police is popular with the Tory faithful.

I bet it was a fun conversation RM!

What do you think of the white poppy? Peace pledge union.

Aye, I was polite to start with, he then got a bit sarcastic so I was less polite.

More power to anyone that wants to wear one. I have the utmost respect for those who have the courage of their convictions and stand for peace. They’re needed voices when the war drums start being beaten as they should moderate the decisions of those who want it.

All the old boys I got to know over the course of my career fought for and in many cases died to ensure we have the freedom to live our lives in peace and with agency, the white poppy is a choice and belief that exemplifies that so should be accepted and respected.