Suella! Braverman!

She’s directly mounting a leadership bid, challenging whatever authority Sunak has.

Breach of ministerial code (although that seems to be a daily occurrence these days), signing off legislation that was previously rejected by Parliament, inciting hatred….

She is just a fascist leader-in-waiting.

What’s the old saying? “Go for the job you want, not the one you have”…

Just like she did when both Boris and Truss looked shaky, she’s getting her pitch in a bit early I reckon, The job(s) she wants is either to become the full bore Right Wing Meeja mouthpiece, being paid to spout via GBeebies and the DM without the inconvenience of having to pretent to be an MP, let alone a Minister.

The only other role She’s maybe after is Leader of the coming Tory opposition, hedging her bets thar once Lil’ Rishi loses the party will lurch further right and if she can look like the biggest bastard in the parlimentary contingent the job will be hers, again no need to deliver anything other than hate speech at a dispatch box.

If she manages to wind up the RW loons and turn a protest march into a Riot that might be a touch too much, and she’ll not just be gone from the cabinet but she may well put herself on thin ice as an MP.

But then that level of martyrdom could well suit her.

I’m going for later this afternoon for her to be invited for a meeting with no biscuits.

Its tricky since some of her allies have announced she wants to be sacked and the opposition have called for it as well.
He may be determined to hold out.
Can he appoint her as minister for overseas territories and send her to a newly establish office on the Falklands?

Can he appoint her as minister for overseas territories and send her to a newly establish office on the Falklands?

Rwanda surely?
After all, she said how wonderful it was there.

She’d probably need a UK office too, I understand there’s a barge down off Portsmouth somewhere which could easily accommodate her.

Who was it who described Cummings as a ‘Career Psychopath’?

Suella…. “hold my beer”

I reckon she spends her evenings beating kittens to death with a claw hammer

personally think its hilarious that she’s calling out Orange Marches for being hate marches

as leader her only likely chance of being PM would be a minority with DUP support!!

According to the Daily Telegraph, no less:

The Home Secretary and her team defied No 10 by ignoring some of their requested edits to her article.

Four sources have confirmed to this newspaper that some changes demanded by Downing Street in the Home Secretary’s article in The Times, in which she accused the police of “playing favourites” with Left-wing protesters, were not incorporated in the final version.

It means, in effect, that Mrs Braverman and her team ignored specific requests from the Prime Minister’s team about the exact wording of her article on pro-Palestine marches.

The Telegraph understands that the article was shared with No 10, which provided edits. However, some of these were never incorporated in the final version.

It is understood that Mrs Braverman’s comment comparing the pro-Palestine protest to Ulster marches in Northern Ireland was one requested edit.

It is unclear what, if any, action will be taken by No 10 over Mrs Braverman and her team’s actions.

So she is now openly defying the Prime Minister. I reckon that it is fairly conclusive that she is trying to get the sack.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/09/suella-braverman-no-10-sign-off-protest-article-met-police/

personally think its hilarious that she’s calling out Orange Marches for being hate marches

The dupes seem to have let her off though. I guess they realise anyone mad enough to have much in common with them arent exactly going to be great at history.

Anyone remember the South Park episode with Lemmiwinks?

This situation is starting to feel very similar.

If she posted on here would she have a ban?

Interesting point – I’m not sure she would. Unpleasant opinions and inflammatory, but I think she skates along the line without going over it.

Which makes you wonder what her current username is…..

Interesting point – I’m not sure she would. Unpleasant opinions and inflammatory, but I think she skates along the line without going over it.

Which makes you wonder what her current username is…..

She’d have reported everyone on this thread. It’s always the case with these far-right nutters, they can give it out but never take it. They’re always very keen on freedom of speech and democracy and will hide behind those to say hateful things but as soon as anyone says “excuse me, don’t you think you’re being a bit…y’know…fascist?” they’re the first ones running to mummy and crying that the nasty/leftie man said rude/woke things.

Before trying to enact legislation that stops people from saying rude or “woke” things and thus inadvertently proving the point that they are in fact fascist.

Not dissimilar to conspiracy theorists who are quite able to frame their beliefs as “doing their own research” or “challenging the status quo” or “keeping an open mind” or somesuch but as soon as anyone says “you’re talking total shit and here’s the evidence to prove it” they go “la la la, you’re in with Them, you’re one of Them!”

The dupes seem to have let her off though.

She’s “clarified” that she meant Republicans.

Well lets hope the protests are peaceful.  If they turn violent she’s going to be saying ‘told you so’

She’s “clarified” that she meant Republicans.

So in any conflict, only one side can have “hate marches”?

Well lets hope the protests are peaceful. If they turn violent she’s going to be saying ‘told you so’

Only if the trouble comes from the stop the war side.

If it’s a right wing group that starts the trouble, we can go back to Braverman and say “We told you so”

Well lets hope the protests are peaceful.

Well up until now the protests have been extremely peaceful, that hasn’t stopped her calling them “hate marches” though.

If on Saturday Yaxley-Lennon and some of his cohorts get arrested for turning up at the Cenotaph looking for trouble, and there no more than the usual couple of dozen arrests which you might expect from a huge crowd of many thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, among those calling for a ceasefire, then she will present this as an example of police biase.

We recently had our local Tory MP in the shop. He’s fond of a photo op and has held us up in parliament as shining beacons of capitalism.
I asked him if he was here as a customer or as an MP.
He replied mp and I told him that we were no longer happy for our shop to be linked to his party.
He asked why and I said it was because they had gone BNP.He said that was a bit strong and I just said Braverman . He gave me a look and quickly changed the subject.

GB News’ Christopher Hope says government whips are contacting Tory MPs to ask why they think about Suella Braverman’s Times article.

Weak ol Sunak is looking to see if he has the support of his MPs to sack her?

He may be determined to hold out.

The fact that he was forced to sack both Raab and Zahawi because of media/opposition pressure makes me think you’re probs right on that score. 

Only if the trouble comes from the stop the war side.

Not really – you know logic is not strong with this lot.  If the trouble comes from the far right crowd it will be because they were provoked by those damn lefties

She’s “clarified” that she meant Republicans.

“Dissident” Republicans, apparently:

Suella Braverman has been forced to clarify that she had been referring to dissident republicans in an article in which she likened the pro-Palestine protests in London to sectarian marches in Northern Ireland.

Which makes even less sense as she claimed that it was in the context of, quote: “the kind we are more used to seeing in Northern Ireland”.

I can’t remember ever seeing a report of a Dissident Republican march in Northern Ireland, never mind being used to them.

She’s ****ing clueless! As thick as mince!

You’d think that if you were going to make such controversial statements, you might at least do the most rudimentary research into the subject you’re publishing an article on in a national newspaper and subsequently spouting off opinions about

Anyone got that feeling of imminent action we had as Boris’s collapse drew inevitably near?

It really is beginning to look like things are going to fall over quickly now – dominoes just about to topple.  Maybe wishful thinking but its how it feels with more and more info coming out by the minute

edit

I don’t think Sunak will go but Braverman has to be sacked given the tory mps briefing against her, the public knowledge that she did this without approval of number 10 and the actual content.

If she is sacked I suspect a few will resign in protest at her sacking.

I hadn’t realised that the Times article appears to be in breach of the ministerial code. The code says:

In order to ensure the effective coordination of cabinet business, the policy content and timing of all major announcements, speeches, press releases and new policy initiatives should be cleared in draft with the No 10 Press and Private Offices at least 24 hours in advance. All major interviews and media appearances, both print and broadcast, should also be agreed with the No 10 press office.

Braverman has already been sacked once before for breaching the ministerial code as Home Secretary, could she make a comeback after being sacked a second time?

I actually think that she might have now damaged herself beyond repair. Publicly undermining respect of the police is not what you expect from a senior Tory and I can’t imagine that going down well with the Tory Party faithful, they have never had their sights on the police.

I reckon that it has reached the point where Braverman is now doing more damage to Sunak than she would be able to do to him if he sacked her.

So in any conflict, only one side can have “hate marches”?

Of course – the other side has hate marches. We have spontaneous outpouring of joy.

Dorries has now weighed in

If Rishi sacks Suella, she becomes a martyr for those on the right of the party.

The battle now is, who becomes leader of the opposition – who will lead whatever and whoever is left.

The people who lead the Conservative Party within No10 have been grooming Kemi for years. She’s very close to Dougie Smith and Munira. Cummings and Gove.

They won’t allow Suella to succeed. She will never get there.

I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch.  ~Whilst being a foul man himself I have never see neo fascist stuff from him

have been grooming Kemi for years.

Its a shame they didnt take the same ultra long term careful planning approach to the country as a whole rather than their evil master plan.
The levels of planning and care put into the plans to control the tories according to Dorries is the sort of long term planning that we need politicians displaying.
I guess there is a slim chance she is making it up though.

If she was on here she’d be causing a riot and blaming the mods for being left wing patsies.

I can’t remember ever seeing a report of a Dissident Republican march in Northern Ireland, never mind being used to them.

I was curious since I was equally unaware.
According to wiki (its unclear for what year) about 5% of marches were carried out by nationalist groups (a rather wider group than “dissident republican).
I am surprised its that many.

I hope someone asks her to clarify a bit more and provide some examples.

If she was on here she’d be causing a riot and blaming the mods for being left wing patsies

In that case I think she might have had multiple accounts over the last few years.

I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch.

I remember seeing articles in the summer suggesting that he was supporting her for next PM, I’ll see if I can dig any out. 

He backed her last time there was a run off… way back last year.

OK chaps – I missed that.  Ta

Weird as Badenoch is even more of a screaming right wing loon than Braverman and Gove seems reasonable in comparison

They really are absurd

Gove has been at the right wing salts as well… leaving the ECHR, tax cuts for the rich… the old standards.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/suella-braverman-michael-gove-tom-tugendhat-kemi-badenoch-european-convention-on-human-rights-b2421973.html

Think Sunak has to sack her, and i don’t think it will lose him any support among MPs or the wider party – she has gone so far off track now. Despite what we like to think on here sometimes, not all Tories are at her end of the spectrum of nastiness. If anything he needs to sack her rather than let her resign.

If the Tories get walloped in the next election and are replaced by Labour, who are not as right wing as the Tories despite what some here would have you believe, the pragmatic Tories may move to the left a little while the headbangers will veer further right, splitting the party. I hope.

Anyone remember the South Park episode with Lemmiwinks?

Jesus christ!

@MoreCashThanDash He has to sack her by any reasonable interpretation, except the one that says he’s intrinsically weak.

Lots of open speculation in the press about her getting sacked, when the BBC is running that story it’s going pretty mainstream and probably already briefed by No 10.

Chris Mason is pointing out that the Supreme Court decision on Rwanda is due next week. It may be useful for Sunak to have her in place to blame if it is ruled illegal. On the other hand her position is massively strengthened if it is ruled legal.

Maybe she’s trying to get sacked before then cos she thinks it’ll be ruled illegal, then Sunak will have to take responsibility for it….

@Twodigs Is this not just positioning for the inevitable post-GE-loss leadership election?

Rookie error. He’s given her time to resign on principle, and denounce Rishi on the way out as being too soft on forriners. Perfect prep for a leadership tilt.