Suella! Braverman!

Braverman’s islamophobia, has been caused by leaving the EU

presumably that there isn’t any islamophobia among government ministers in EU states

No one said any of those things.

You are not paying attention mate. It was claimed that Suella Braverman wrote that islamophobic article for the Daily Mail because of brexit.

Anyway I thought you wanted to focus on talking about Braverman? When was the last time that you mentioned her?

I thought according to the vocal minority on stw half the UK population was/is racist?

Another strawman.

It’s been said a million times that people voted Brexit for lots of different reasons. Only a minority of people voted to Leave because of “breaking point” posters and videos showing immigrants clogging up the NHS. But that sentiment was required to carry the vote. And people who voted with that motivation were emboldened by the result and the attention politicians have paid to them since. But as Brexit becomes the norm not a change, that all begins to recede into the background. Braverman and Sunak and others want to reignite all that for their own political ends, where as most of the UK want to reduce attention on it… so hopefully, at least in the short term, they’re… er.. flogging a dead, or at least exhausted and dozing, donkey.

You are not paying attention mate. It was claimed that Suella Braverman wrote that islamophobic article for the Daily Mail because of brexit.

Really?  who made that claim?

Really? who made that claim?

Great, no one made the claim that Braverman’s islamophobic article in the Daily Mail was connected to brexit.

So why have we been talking about brexit on a thread about Braverman?

No actually don’t answer that question, let’s not talk about brexit anymore and instead let’s talk about Braverman.

I thought according to the vocal minority on stw half the UK population was/is racist?

Probably close to the truth to some degree – not out and out hang them all but some more casual racism and certainly when dealing with those nasty people trying to come and live in “our” country.

Braverman is not helping on that one is she…

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/suella-braverman-polls-show-hard-112942261.html

And since November 2022, Labour is polling higher than the Tories in terms of which political party would be best at handling asylum and immigration. So despite the Conservatives trying to use migration as a wedge issue, the public is not as hard line as Suella Braverman and Rishi Sunak would hope.

Let’s hope so. It does appear that all the crap they have been doing and getting worse on is only really appealing to the ~25% that say they will still vote tory and those people are probably getting more and more entrenched but as long as it stays 25%.

S’OK everyone Suella has cleared it all up, when everyone accused her of being a massive racist **** when she told us all that multi-culturlaism had failed, we apparently misinterpreted her, so it’s all our fault. When she said it had failed and was misguided, what she actually meant was the need for more integration and to point out that sometimes it had failed…So apparently; the complete opposite of what she said.

I’ll remember to apply that to everything she says from now on.

They are coming from abroad, they are not learning the language. They’re not embracing British values, and they’re not taking part in British life.

Do “British values” include going abroad, learning the language, and taking part in the cultural life?

Anyway why is she a Buddhist? Britian is a Christian society, Christianity is embedded in both the culture and the government. She should personally do more to reject multiculturalism and embrace British uniculturalism.

Never mind whether she’s a Buddhist or not, being a Tory is very much a minority pursuit nowadays

And yet, here we are…

Nasty little conference speech, then straight out to stand on a guide dog’s tail. A good afternoon for Cruella.

Not to be all insane moments in British politics, but here's Suella Braverman standing on a dog pic.twitter.com/fuilOOihFO

— Alexander Brown (@AlexofBrown) October 3, 2023

Anyway why is she a Buddhist?

It seems they don’t want her… lol!

You’ve gotta try pretty hard to annoy a Buddhist, but she’s managed it! hahah!

https://thebuddhistcentre.com/londonbuddhistcentre/suella-braverman-triratna-buddhist-order-and-london-buddhist-centre

neither the London Buddhist Centre nor Triratna has any responsibility for, or indeed, any influence with regard to actions carried out or statements issued by Ms Braverman in her role as an MP and Minister of the Government.

– The Trustees of the London Buddhist Centre

She’s a Buddhist in the same way that Trump is a devout Christian.

It seems they don’t want her

That statement from the Triratna Buddhist Order is interesting because although I think there is an element of semantics in their comment (no she hasn’t been “ordained” but they don’t deny that she is a mitra) it is clear that they don’t want to be associated with her.

I am definitely not a Buddhist but I very regularly attend the Triratna Buddhist Centre in Croydon, mostly for yoga but also for meditation, I have always avoided mentioning Braverman to them but now I probably will to see their response.

The overwhelming majority of those who attend the Croydon Triratna Buddhist Centre are not ordained and would be classed as mitras, but they certainly consider themselves to be Buddhists.

It is easy to tell who has been ordained as apart from the cloth which they wear round they necks they have to abandon their birth names and instead adopt extremely long Sanskrit names, something which Suella Braverman obviously hasn’t done. Mitras keep their birthnames.

Channel 4 News are tearing the Tories a new butt hole.

I suspect they now know they aren’t going to be privatised by the Tories as they won’t be in power and the gloves are off.👍

I just came on this thread to post about Channel 4 news. The fact that Jeremy Hunt and Sunak both cancelled interviews with them has obviously meant the gloves really are off

They absolutely tore into Cruella by highlighting the massive increase in kids dying from knife crime while the person who’s meant to be doing something about it is doing absolutely **** all, because she’s too busy with her leadership campaign and banging on about Rwanda

She’s an utter disgrace!

I advise anyone to watch the footage of the South London youth worker, who’d just watched another teenager die, ripping into the government about they’re total lack of action or concern about knife crime

EDIT: found it. Absolutely heartbreaking. They don’t give a ****!

“The prime minister needs to get here… we need them to come into our estates.”

Standing in front of the latest scene of violence in London, Pastor Lorraine Jones, a youth campaigner who lost her son Dwayne to knife crime, emotionally calls for action from the government. pic.twitter.com/5WhUIbdgtd

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) October 3, 2023

OI! Suella!! This is your ****ing day job!! 😡

Heart breaking but they’ll just bat that away saying it’s all the fault of Khan’s administration, totally ignoring that it’s a national problem.

Just read the reports of her speech and it’s disgraceful. She’s back to peddling the myths of a ‘hurricane’ of immigrants heading our way, the HRA protecting illegals from being deported, that Labour will open the floodgates etc.

Proper batshit mentalness.

She’s all heart…

Andrew Boff’s heckles were silly but I think he should be forgiven and let back into conference

— Suella Braverman MP (@SuellaBraverman) October 3, 2023

It’s the metta bhavana, innit.

She spoke about “hurricanes’ of immigration, I was hearing something else.

That Andrew Boff thing…that was very weird. The goons were on him before he even finished a very short sentence. Nothing he said was very provocative and it was barely audible. Very weird.

it’s all gone a bit George Orwell

Just came here to say **** you Cruella.  Read the reports of your speech, that has no place in modern British politics.

Her speech was disgusting on many levels  you would disown her if she spouted that a family wedding.Worried that she is going to be the next pm before the election?  Stranger things have happened and she ticks all the boxes. Her and Liz are gunning for it again.

Hateful bunch tbh.

How close is she getting to inciting racial hatred with her speeches?

You’ve gotta try pretty hard to annoy a Buddhist

Not sure many Rohingya would agree with that statement. All they were doing was living, but that seemed to drive a large number of Buddhists batshit genocidal crazy.

Maybe there isn’t one religion that’s better than all the rest?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/03/suella-braverman-claims-hurricane-of-mass-migration-coming-to-uk

I’ve just read the report of Braverman’s Conference speech, I had no interest in watching it on the telly. From the Guardian report it sounds like it was a fairly bog-standard Home Secretary/Shadow Home Secretary speech at a Conservative Party Conference.

IE tough on criminals and immigration, plus the obligatory criticism of Labour for allegedly being soft on criminals and immigration. I have never known it to be any different.

The Home Secretary’s Conference speech is usually only second to the Tory Leader’s speech for exciting Tory delegates, Braverman wouldn’t have wanted to disappoint them.

All they were doing was living

I think it was probably a tad more complicated than that. They have also been fighting for many decades. I am not unsympathetic though, they are in part the victims of the legacy of the British Empire – which had devastating consequences for the Indian subcontinent.

From the Guardian report it sounds like it was a fairly bog-standard Home Secretary/Shadow Home Secretary speech at a Conservative Party Conference.

Really? It reads more like a UKIP/National Front one to me. The message is pretty clear: immigrants are not welcome even if you’re already here (rich ones who donate to the Tories excepted obviously).

How close is she getting to inciting racial hatred with her speeches?

I think we’re past that point, my GP surgery is down to 1 doctor instead of 5 after the rest left due to racial hatred being directed to them in the surgery. Started after the Brexit vote but got worse after her Rwanda speech and that was enough for them to leave. Have noticed racial slurs being said in public more and more too, especially after each policy announcement about Stop the Boats etc.

Really?

From the Guardian report it doesn’t sound that much different to the usual anti-immigration rhetoric you would expect from a Tory Home Secretary at party conference. Which bit stood out for you? The bit about an immigration hurricane?

When David Cameron was prime minister he publicly talked of immigrant swarms, which doesn’t sound anymore acceptable to me than hurricane. One refers to a storm and the other to a very large amount of insects.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/david-cameron-stoked-xenophobia-in-the-uk-says-council-of-eu

Tories will be Tories.

Maybe there isn’t one religion that’s better than all the rest?

I think you might be onto something there… I suspect it’s not the first time atrocities have been comitted in the name of [insert name of any religion]

I see our esteemed home secretary is upset with the Met for not arresting someone the Met state was not breaking the law.

If the implications were not so serious it would be funny.

She’s got plenty of form for telling the police how to do their jobs.

You’d think someone who is allegedly a qualified lawyer would be familiar with the legality around ministers keeping their snouts out of the day-to-day operations of the police service so as not to politicise them

But hey… she’s got a leadership campaign on the go and its not going to run itself.

The Police just seem to roll their eyes and ignore her, same as the rest of us

But hey… she’s got a leadership campaign on the go and its not going to run itself.

Exactly. She makes a fuss on the news. A bunch of the swivel eyed brigade think she’s doing a good thing, and the police continue doing what they think is best in the very difficult circumstances, ie not turning a protest into a riot.

The Met has obviously made an effort to find the 30 seconds necessary to Google what “jihad” actually means, before arresting anyone.

Braverman also undoubtedly understands what it means but chooses to ignore the meaning as she desperately attempts to appeal to halfwit bigots.

Unfortunately SKS seems to agree with Cruella and said “the government needed to look at whether there were gaps in the law”.

Perhaps they should just ban people speaking in Arabic during public demonstrations?

Class it as a public order offence as it might frighten some people, and could also be classed as anti-semitic.

The Met Police Commissioner has just given an interview while stood outside the Home Office and said about his meeting with Braverman:

‘we reminded her that we are here to enforce the law, not peoples personal opinions on what constitutes good taste or decency’

That seems like a pretty unambiguous. **** off to her then 😂

Not a fan of the Met Police, but it’s nice to see them get it right & make her look stupid.

braverman has got an award!
She’s top of The New European’s Shit List 2023; the award is ‘The person Britain could most do without 2023’.
Described, in part, as ‘unencumbered by a sense of proportion, compassion, human decency or self-awareness…’