Suella! Braverman!

her own proposed rules her parents would have been classed as economic migrants and sent to Rwanda

There are no plans to send economic migrants to Rwanda. Braverman is attempting to send refugees who successfully qualify as asylum seekers to Rwanda.

The right-wing press likes to maintain that that asylum seekers are mostly economic migrants but only to undermine their status and increase public hostility towards them.

But Cruella’s parents were economic migrants, not refugees. So whichever way she wants to slice it, by her own rules, they’d have been booted out of the country long before she arrived

They’re just having a ‘debate’ on Five Live about it. Lots of people phoning in and starting their statements with “I’m not a racist, but…..”

You can guess the rest

These people are exactly who this is designed to appeal to and unfortunately there are a depressingly large amount of them

Yep. She is the total epitome of hypocrisy. And a nasty self serving bitch too.

But Cruella’s parents were economic migrants, not refugees. So whichever way she wants to slice it, by her own rules, they’d have been booted out of the country long before she arrived

I haven’t studied Cruella’s geneology but I think her argument would be that her parents arrived via a legal route with some form of visa/permission, not bypassing border controls.  She believes, like all good tories, that her fortune in life comes because she deserves it and worked hard / parents worked hard for it and those less fortunate obviously just lack either aspiration or effort.

I am not sure her ethnic origin comes in to this, but she is not a very nice person. I just wish she would crawl back under the rock she imerged from.

I can’t remember which Labour MP made the point last week that she’s essentially just a useful idiot.

Her position in the Tory party is basically as a mouthpiece for a lot of rich, angry, reactionary old white men, who need a voice for their nasty racist opinions, but don’t want to say it themselves so they use her ethnic origin to hide behind.

She’s just not bright enough to realise this and seems to genuinely enjoy the nastiness.

Anyway, this is all just dog-whistling to the rich, angry, reactionary old white men who make up the membership of the Tory Party, ready for the inevitable leadership contest when Rishi buggers off to California, having lost the election

I hope Cruella wins the next leadership contest.

The Tories will be finished.

Just out of interest I’ve had a look at the present odds for the post-Rishi leadership

None of them look anything less than laughable. They are:

Kemi Badenoch 3/1
Penny Mordaunt 4/1
James Cleverly 6/1
Gillian Keegan 8/1
Suella Braverman 9/1

I’ve just stuck a fiver on Cruella. I reckon she’s a shoe-in

Nah, It will be Penny ‘sword in the arsecrack’ Mordaunt surely

EDIT Can’t belive Kemi Badenoch is the favourite – the party really is a nutter’s paradise now isn’t it

I haven’t studied Cruella’s geneology but I think her argument would be that her parents arrived via a legal route with some form of visa/permission, not bypassing border controls.  

Braverman’s parents were British subjects and didn’t require a visa. She’s an awful person individually but it’s striking how many people are quick to challenge her parents’ right to come to the UK because of her appearance.

Its nothing to do with her appearance – which the best description I’ve heard is ‘an irradiated gerbil’ – its that a second generation immigrant is so rabidly and viciously anti-immigrant

Like Sunak and Prit Patel, she is the child of immigrant parents who seems to be making it their lives work to be as hostile as possible to immigrants and create the most toxic environment for them possible

The hypocrisy is absolutely off the chart. Pull that ladder up behind yourself. Very Tory.

I can’t remember which Labour MP made the point last week that she’s essentially just a useful idiot.

Whoever it is was wrong.
A useful idiot is someone who is just being used without understanding the objectives.
I would argue she does and is a true believer in the cause.

I don’t doubt she’s a true believer, but the point they were making is that she’s voicing opinions that a large group of angry, old privileged white men might think twice about voicing in public, certainly to such a degree.

So they mustn’t be able to believe their luck that they’ve got a gaggle of second generation immigrants who are so happily prepared to whip up a toxic hared of immigrants

Her hypocrisy is multi-faceted. Seems she lived in France for two years under ERASMUS. I suspect she is both a passionate believer and a vacuous mouthpiece for the lurking cause. An awful, uncaring, empathy-devoid person. Prime schutzstaffel candidate.

Braverman’s parents were British subjects and didn’t require a visa.

May have been different in the 60s but being a British subject doesn’t provide a right to reside or work in the UK. Indeed the Home office say British Subject was a bit meaningless;

All citizens of Commonwealth countries were collectively referred to as ‘British subjects’ until January 1983. However, this was not an official status for most of them.

She’s almost a fictional baddie, reminds me of Alan B’Stard in the 80s. The next level up from Patel. Unless Putin can spare one of his henchmen they’ll struggle to replace her.

Face like a melted pound shop candle

Also tory changes to the immigration made it much harder for folk like Bravermans parents to enter britain.  remember Howard as home secretary?  He closed the route to UK citizenship that his own parents used.  Nowt new in this.

Braverman is a bad combination of dimness, nastyness, ambition and a total lack of self awareness.

She’s almost a fictional baddie,

Yes, It’s performative, but the question I guess is who she’s really performing at. Any survey you care to look at shows that most folks think there should be legal immigration options, most folks recognise that we need immigrants, and most folks are sensitive and open to refugees seeking asylum. It’s as if our entire policy in this area is aimed a teeny sub-set of folks who already think that the Tories are too soft anyway.

Sweet Jesus!!! Its even worse than was trailed

You know that statement Gary Lineker made about ‘language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s’?

That. She’s really has gone full Nazi! 😳

Braverman adds that multiculturalism has failed and that “the nation state must be protected.”

Christ on a fascist bike!

She just said that all asylum seekers are inherently criminal 😳

multiculturalism has failed and that “the nation state must be protected.”

Not often I look at the news and am shocked and saddened. What the **** have we sunk to.

While I’m not surprised at this, I am appalled. That there are people for whom this opinion matches their views also appalls me.

Says the daughter of Asian immigrants who has risen (somehow) to one of the great offices of state.

Nah, It will be Penny ‘sword in the arsecrack’ Mordaunt surely

Why the hell would she want it BEFORE the election?

Christ on a fascist bike!

Because Suella Braverman has said that multiculturalism has failed?

The claim that multiculturalism has failed has been a right-wing theme for decades, ever since the UK became a multicultural society in fact.

Twelve years ago the then UK Prime Minister (who was in coalition with the Liberal Democrats btw) said the same thing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-12371994

I see the BBC have almost entirely eradicated the speech coverage from their website overnight.  The ministry of truth work very hard indeed.

Yesterday’s news.

It’s just noise anyway. Horrible noise that’ll put fear into vulnerable people, but still just noise. The screeching of a dead administration, for the ears of American right wing political shit stirring think tank funders.

Its also her leadership campaign

MrsRNP runs a community kitchen – an Eritrean guy had been directed to her this week. Been given right to stay in the UK.

Has been sleeping on a bench in the park – doesn’t have anything other than the clothes he’s wearing. MrsRNP account of this guy’s dealings with Serco and MrsRNP contacting them as well are soul destroying.
One of her kitchen helpers has got him in an emergency hostel but it’s 10mile away so might not see him again.

TBH she would have had a bigger audience if she’d gone to her local weatherspoons,well other than it being plastered all over the tinternet.

Still mission accomplished  more coverage  for the leadership campaign.

I know it’s all just part of her leadership campaign to appeal to the swivel-eyed loons, but does anyone know if she was actually there on official duty as the UK’s Home Secretary? ….or whether she was freelancing (again) and just busking it?

Was this signed all off by Rishi and number ten and this is now potential government policy? … or is this merely Cruella gobbing off to her far right mates?

Do we even know where one stops and the other begins nowadays?

I doubt she even understands or cares.  As far as she is concerned what she wants is right even if illegal or against international law.  so going off to make a leadership speech to a right wing thinktank is a part of her official duties in her head I am sure

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/braverman-ethnicity-child-grooming-gangs-false-mail-on-sunday

So the Daily Mail is forced to make an apology for a false claim but the author of the false claims gets away with it without even having her wrists slapped.

The press regulator should have the power to force whoever wrote the article to publicly apologize.

It’s incredible to think how politics has changed in the last few years. Once that would have been a designation situation. Now? It’s almost expected, normalised. Ding even get me started on the fact that outs also blue normal to be in government whilst also setting up your media carer for once you are kicked out.

She is likely to be the Tory leader contender in the next few years too.

What a time to be alive.

Whatever peoples thoughts on Brexit, it unleashed a monster and that monster is still very much alive.

Yer not allowed to blame stuff on brexit even when its obviously so

🤣

^^ In fairness, the seeds were already there before Brexit. It’s just that Brexit was the watershed moment.

When Cameron been on his sword, that was the end of old style politics, but that old style politics wasnt great by any means!… but since then, i mean? Wtf?

(P.S. my post about Brexit wasn’t a cheap shot at Ernie, genuinely. Its just that the latest Braveman mess just made me reflect on where politics is three days.)

Anyway… Im not getting involved in the Brexit Oddyssey on here. Bigger fish to fry these days.😉

even when its obviously so

Obviously so? Are you suggesting that racism and bigotry was invented because the UK voted leave?

Are you suggesting that no country in the EU has government ministers who can be accused of islamophobia?

The remain supporting Prime Minister even before the referendum was held:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-attacked-for-joining-islamophobic-campaign-against-sadiq-khan-a6992691.html

There is no “obvious” connection but that won’t stop you.

Today the UK has a far more ethnically diverse cabinet/government than at any time when the UK was an EU member state. Is this “obviously” connected to leaving the EU. Should we be celebrating this as a positive outcome of leaving the EU.

Or are these issues suddenly not “obviously” connected because it no longer fits in nicely with the preferred narrative?

Of course thete is an obvious connection.  Brexit gave the racists free reign and means we ended up with incompetence and overt racism in government.

Because you are both a brexiteer and anti racist you cannit accept tbe unleashing of racism since brexit.

Brexit gave the racists free reign and means we ended up with incompetence and overt racism in government.

It’s handy how you can totally ignore pre-referendum racism and bigotry because it doesn’t suit your knuckle-dragging halfwit moronic view that everything is result of leaving the EU.

Have you actually got any proof that the Daily Mail wasn’t publishing as many articles penned by bigots before the referendum? Since this is what is being discussed.