Suella! Braverman!

chrismac
Full Member

I agree its no substitute for getting on an processing claims in a timely manner. That is almost certainly the best solution. However we aren’t in that position

Deliberately, because of years of hard work from Theresa May and those who followed in her footstep to destroy the department responsible. The exact same people who now say they should be trusted to solve the problem they created. The same people who blame that problem for the “necessery” things they choose to do now.

Looks like she’s getting it in the neck from every angle this morning

Everyone to the left of Ghengis Khan thinks she’s inhumane and totally incompetent and now everyone to the right of Ghengis Khan (the Tory party MPs and membership) thinks she’s not inhumane enough, but still totally incompetent

Rishi will still leave her in place though, as he’s too weak to do owt else. He’s backed her up 100% on all this nonsense anyway, so it’s his fault as much as hers. They can take joint ownership of the whole bebacle

To be fair Gengis Khan did embrace diversity so you don’t really need to be to his left to disapprove of Suella Braverman.

left to fend for themselves somewhere in the community

We’re all fending for ourselves somewhere in the community. It’s called life.

Genghis Khan was sometimes a very naughty boy but he did have some redeeming qualities of which the diversity ernie mentions is just one.
By contrast braverman has no redeeming features – not one.
Khan successfully united multiple warring Mongolian tribes; the empire he established was meritocratic; his army was flexible, organised and disciplined; he established principles of eurasian trade – thanks Wiki.
Looking at those achievements, today’s party leaders could learn a lot.

This is where the fruitloop section of the Tory party and Braverman, their de facto leader, are now

They seriously want their manifesto for the next election to contain a pledge to join those bastions of freedom, Russia and Belarus, in leaving the ECHR, describing it as ‘a threat to our democracy’. No, the threat to our democracy is you, you mad bastards! They are absolutely insane, the lot of them!

Leaving the ECHR because you want to send migrants to Rwanda…

Is like burning your house down because you don't like a patch of carpet.

ECHR provided justice for Hillsborough, stopped criminalisation of homosexuality

Don't let this Govt throw your rights away@JeremyVineOn5 pic.twitter.com/BlY9bGj69a

— Marina Purkiss (@MarinaPurkiss) August 10, 2023

I suspect quite a few of those who want to send the refugees to Rwanda will look at those two examples and think its even more of a reason to get rid of the ECHR.

This did amuse me, from todays Observer:

We risk being seen as the ‘nasty party’ again, warn senior Conservatives

What, really? Do you reckon?

I think that ship sailed quite some time ago

They seriously want their manifesto for the next election to contain a pledge to join those bastions of freedom, Russia and Belarus, in leaving the ECHR, describing it as ‘a threat to our democracy’.

I wonder how many of the hard-right actually support the Russian invasion in private? Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a sizeable proportion.

Actually putting it in their manifesto for the next general election which they are certain to lose isn’t a bad strategy at all, there’s nothing mad about it imo.

Firstly because they won’t win the next general election they won’t have to worry about implementing it.

Secondly the debate that it will undoubtedly trigger during the general election campaign will be a very useful distraction from their all failings.

And thirdly it will appeal to their core voters, which they need to motivate to vote on election day if they are to avoid electoral Armageddon.

Given a choice of whether or not to include leaving the ECHR in their election manifesto including it is probably the wisest choice for the Tories.

Much is made of how necessary it is for Labour politicians to adopt policies which they don’t necessarily support because allegedly they need to satisfy voters, there is no reason why it should be different for the Tories.

Welcome to conviction/principle-free UK politics 2023

I wonder how many of the hard-right actually support the Russian invasion in private? Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a sizeable proportion.

The spectacle of extreme nationalists making common cause across national boundaries should be an amusing contradiction in terms.

But it also points to the fact that being a nasty piece of work transcends nationality.

Everyone to the left of Ghengis Khan thinks she’s inhumane and totally incompetent and now everyone to the right of Ghengis Khan (the Tory party MPs and membership) thinks she’s not inhumane enough, but still totally incompetent

I think she’s been very competent.

She’s managed to funnel £1.6bn to another Tory donor for a non-functional product. She’s managed to completely dehumanise asylum seekers for the Daily Wail brigade.

I’m sure that “fixing” the non-functional product will involve many more millions gifted to more Tories/Tory donors who miraculously have such solutions available at the right price.

She’s probably got herself a couple of nicely paid “consultancy” roles lined up as a result of all that profligate spending.

That’s the very definition of “competent” in Tory speak.

They seriously want their manifesto for the next election to contain a pledge to join those bastions of freedom, Russia and Belarus, in leaving the ECHR, describing it as ‘a threat to our democracy’. No, the threat to our democracy is you, you mad bastards! They are absolutely insane, the lot of them!

Which should be Starmers response at every opportunity, every single time.

The spectacle of extreme nationalists making common cause across national boundaries should be an amusing contradiction in terms.

You might want to read up on the 1930s and see where it left us…..

You might want to read up on the 1930s and see where it left us…..

Well, obviously. I was being obtuse for comic effect.

And FWIW in the 1930s British fascists gave it a good go, but thankfully the average Brit ridiculed Moseley and his preening, posturing nitwits. 90 years on, it would appear that we have gone backwards in some regards.

binners
Full Member

This did amuse me, from todays Observer:

We risk being seen as the ‘nasty party’ again, warn senior Conservatives

“We’ve invested a lot of effort in being seen as the “evil lunatics party”, but we risk being seen as merely nasty”, I guess?

Well, obviously. I was being obtuse for comic effect.

Apologies, my error.

Brit ridiculed Moseley and his preening, posturing nitwits. 90 years on, it would appear that we have gone backwards in some regards.

That’s debatable imo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_a_Nation

You’re replying to a comment on the 1930s, and the British mostly working class resistance and rejection of fascism, with reference to the later mostly ignored post war rantings of Moseley and his attempts to relaunch his political career by jumping on any fresh movement that might work for him. Why?

Never mind Gengis Khan, here’s someone who can make Suella Braverman appear almost liberal, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki :

https://news.sky.com/story/poland-plans-referendum-asking-if-voters-want-thousands-of-illegal-immigrants-12939149

He doesn’t want Poland to become like Western Europe.

She’s managed to funnel £1.6bn to another Tory donor for a non-functional product.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/barge-australia-asylum-contract-travel-b2354578.html

“The contract was awarded directly to CTM without competition”

He doesn’t want Poland to become like Western Europe.

His party has been stoking up anti-immigrant anti-EU sentiment for its own ends for a while now. A referendum is the obvious next step.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/target-tory-lefty-lawyer-dossier-frightened-walk-home/

“[Labour leader Keir] Starmer has been keen to distance himself from previous remarks and convince voters that he can be trusted on immigration.

“But his decision to hire lefty lawyer Jacqueline McKenzie is further proof that ‘Sir Softie’ can’t be trusted.”

Has anyone actually seen or heard from Cruella recently?

She’s not been sighted for months. She only does photo ops in Rwanda, interviews with the Torygraph and speeches to headbanging right wing thinktanks

She always sends her minions out to answer questions, particularly if it’s Yvette Cooper who’s going to be tearing her a new one. You’d think ‘Honest Bob’ Jenrick would be sick of being her human shield by now, but he’s clearly a man with lots of ambition and no self-respect

Has anyone actually seen or heard from Cruella recently?

I haven’t seen her personally but I did see this tweet:

My thoughts and prayers are with those affected by the tragic loss of life in the Channel today.

That was 3 days ago.

She’s all heart

Nothing expresses concern more than thoughts and prayers, as any gun-toting American Republic can tell you

Turning up for your day job and actually doing something to try and stop people actually dying? Not so much, clearly

Let’s just stick with the thoughts and prayers eh?

The latest Home Office figures are in and the backlog for dealing with asylum seekers claims has doubled in the last 12 months and now stands at 175,000

I wonder if Cruella will have anything to say about that? Maybe she’ll pop up and propose firing them all into the sun?

Number of asylum seekers awaiting decision on UK refugee status hits record high, Home Office figures showhttps://t.co/ACoPYq7QSq

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) August 24, 2023

The increase in the backlog is now double the amount of people coming over on small boats, if I read it correctly.

Still, focus on those boats!

Still, focus on those boats!

They feel they have to, it’s what Farage was doing… can’t risk losing Tory supporters to his latest grift… they have few to spare.

Another potential triumph for Braverman’s Home Office…

The UK wants the ability to stop companies from patching vulnerabilities.

Catastrophically shortsighted.

Any tech product that stays will be suspect in the global marketplace.

The sector will flee.

Goodbye tech investment & jobs.

By @IoannisKouvakashttps://t.co/lO7WUL3OAA pic.twitter.com/rSLDRyMsIC

— John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) August 22, 2023

It’s worse, remove your ECHR rights and make sure the security services can spy on you at all times.

Got rid of your right to protest so may as well go the whole hog.

‘2024’ without the eurythmics soundtrack.

She’s the very definition of a “Useful Idiot” isn’t she?

Promoted because Dominic Cummings needed someone who was legally qualified, but still dim enough to break the law, to become attorney general.

She’s one of those dangerous people who’s so spectacularly dim, she can’t see how dim she actually is.

She has the vaguest inkling of it, which is why she always swerves Parliament and sends her little minion ‘Honest Bob’ instead.

She knows that not only is Yvette Cooper about a hundred times cleverer than her, Yvette Coopers shoes are probably more intelligent than her too

On the rare occasions she does show up, she sits there with a fixed scowl as she’s absolutely eviscerated by her opposition number, yet doesn’t seem to register that this is happening because maybe she’s a bit thick?

It’s just staggering that a group of supposedly intelligent people could come up with a proposed regulation without thinking of the impact on the technology sector/market and UK consumers.

Imagine believing that a global firm would be prepared to seek approval from Home Office bureaucrats to patch an urgent security vulnerability, or even worse, would be prepared/able to leave it unpatched for UK consumers only.

Obviously Suella will just sign whatever is put in front of her, because she’s a bit dim.

I know three people who’ve worked directly with cabinet level ministers in this government. Privately my acquaintances all say that the ministers they’ve worked with are all a bit dim, but believe their own hype.

Imagine believing that a global firm would be prepared to seek approval from Home Office bureaucrats to patch an urgent security vulnerability, or even worse, would be prepared/able to leave it unpatched for UK consumers only.

The thing is that they’ve been proposing this for a while and all the big tech firms have told them absolutely unequivocally, in small words any imbecile could understand, that they won’t be playing ball with that, and yet they’re still going ahead with it anyway

It seems like the re-emergence of the ‘they need us more than we need them’ philosophy so beloved of this gang of half-wits, with much the same result this time too

It’s the ultimate expression of the delusion that our ‘exceptionalism’ means the rest of the world can somehow be bent to our will. Unfortunately it just ends up with a choice between complete insularity or admitting that you made a mistake, which this government is fundamentally unable to do.

‘Taking back control’ of global communications technology is proper King Canute thinking.

I think that the unpatched vulnerabilities thing is laying a trap for Labour.

Labour comes in, reverses it for perfectly good reasons, there’s an attack, Suella and all the Tory press are crowing about how Labour let them do it.