Sir! Keir! Starmer!

The left really is ****ed

Yup.

The left really is ****ed

It is certainly a difficult club to get into. There are exclusive golf clubs that are less elitist. Ironic really.

Brilliant if it is exclusivity you are after, but not so good if you are trying to win general elections.

Nowt as queer as folk.

The Guardian supported the lib Dems in 2010.

There was a stat doing the rounds a while back that said that, despite its usual editorial stance and employment of Owen Jones and the former anonymous Labour source who’s dad ran the BBC, if Guardian readers are members of a political party, it’s most likely to be the Lib Dems.

Certainly true here on n=1…

So there are only actually 122 Guardian readers?

No wonder they’re in financial difficulties

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It is certainly a difficult club to get into. There are exclusive golf clubs that are less elitist. Ironic really.

And today’s award for non sequitur goes to…

And today’s award for non sequitur goes to…

How are you getting those Red Wall Racists back, then?

You don’t want centrists, so you’ve got to do something.

You’re not going to get all Brexity for them are you?

How are you getting those Red Wall Racists back, then?

You don’t want centrists, so you’ve got to do something.

You’re not going to get all Brexity for them are you?

It’s not clear to me why you wish to ascribe views to me that I do not hold. Perhaps it’s to deflect attention away from your demonstrably false statements.

It’s not clear to me why you wish to ascribe views to me that I do not hold. Perhaps it’s to deflect attention away from your demonstrably false statements.

Yawn.

No idea, then.

No attempt to answer the question.

Keep doing what you are doing, political parties need people to waive the banners. I’d give the strategy stuff a miss, though. For the greater good, like.

Meanwhile, I am a Labour voter for life it would seem. Cannot vote Tory ever after what they have done in the last 4.5 years. There is no alternative. To win an election, though, you need to do better than that. And you have to want to try.

I’ve said this before on countless posts. We are being governed by a privately educated political elite be it left wing, right wing, centrist so called liberal, what ever you want to call it. They control the government either way. It swings one way then the next, back and forwards. Does anything really change over the long term. No. If we want real change we need to change the way our voting system works and how we rule and govern. It won’t happen because that would mean giving power back to the people and that’s not what these political parties want. We are all just plebs in their little power plays. If I had my way anything North of the Humber would join with Scotland because labour have done sweet F@ for the North for the last 50 yrs other than count on their vote in every GE other than the last one! At least with the Tories you know they don’t give a sh!t about the North.

Yep agreed.

As for the Left being a difficult club to get in to?

Join Labour

Join the Greens

HTH

I’ve been a member of both!

Yawn.

No idea, then.

Congratulations! You’ve taken an important first step on the path to self-awareness.

Evening sweet cheeks comrade. Love the new hat. Have you been away? You’ve got a good colour. The coat really suits you. Very …. what would you call it?…. retro communist chic?

Anyway….. How’s the revolution panning out? Going well, I hope.

Self-awareness, you say?

Evening sweet cheeks comrade. Love the new hat. Have you been away?

Like a moth to a flame.

How long will it be until your next flounce? Here’s what you said last time:

So from here on in, I’m out

You just want to flounce for you, don’t you?

Cheeky.

Trawling through months old posts of mine? Bless you. You are sweet. Though it’s all a bit stalkerish, admittedly, but I hear having your own internet stalker is frightfully fashionable nowadays

I feel like Kim Katdashian 😃

Anyway….. How’s the revolution panning out? Going well, I hope.

Mind you – you thought Rory Tory was going to save us at one point.

The mockery and conflation of socialism and communism – whilst the country was bailed out the Government…

You just want to flounce for you, don’t you?

No flounce, then? I guess you don’t mean what you say.

Yes but we all love those images don’t we. May be good to have something that wasn’t from the 70’s but I suppose when there is only a set of 5 to choose from that is all we can expect.

Change of subject from the weekend banter/petulance…

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/14/bt-broadband-bills-could-reach-100000-for-rural-users

Corbyn’s universally derided free broadband policy is looking quite attractive now. I wonder if Starmer has the balls to bring it back? I know it’s early to be talking policies, but in the light of covid and this news he could go a long way to reassuring his doubters on the left by supporting this in some form.

The Guardian are reporting that Kier is having to self isolate as someone in his household has symptoms.

Will anyone notice?

Serious question to those who pour scorn on Starmer for not being effective: can you give historical examples of effective opposition?

Serious question to those who pour scorn on Starmer for not being effective: can you give historical examples of effective opposition?

I don’t know who’s been pouring scorn on Starmer: I think a few of us believe him to be an effective manager but feel that the jury is out in terms of his policy direction. Regarding historical opposition, there’s loads of examples, surely. Any opposition forcing a government into calling an election, or reversing a policy decision.

Corbyn’s universally derided free broadband policy is looking quite attractive now. I wonder if Starmer has the balls to bring it back?

Starmer said that he supported existing Labour policy, didn’t he? We’ll see.

Regarding historical opposition, there’s loads of examples, surely. Any opposition forcing a government into calling an election, or reversing a policy decision.

Didn’t the Corbyn opposition force an election? And then delivered a huge Tory majority?

Serious question to those who pour scorn on Starmer for not being effective: can you give historical examples of effective opposition?

Not sure of the relevance of historical examples. We are now in a time of a government visibly not caring (whereas they used to at least pretend) and certainly wouldn’t reverse any decision based on opposition, however good the opposition was. Combined with the big majority they have thanks to the last Labour leader.

reassuring his doubters on the left

Who are you referring to here? If I were Keir, I would give up with dreamers like you and wouldn’t be trying to reassure you, it is the country that I want to reassure (left or right) with a goal to winning an election with a set of fair policies that are clearly going to be more left than right.

If I were Keir, I would give up with dreamers like you and wouldn’t be trying to reassure you

Well aside from the fact that I’m far from a dreamer (honestly I’ve a whole bunch of dreamer policies I’d like implememnt but don’t often mention them on here as I try to be a pragmatist), I mean the people like me who voted for him after he promised to unify the party and maintain the policy direction. It’s all very saying the left can be ignored but if he doesn’t want to spend the next 4 years fighting internal battles then it might be a good idea to focus more on his unity promise.

Didn’t the Corbyn opposition force an election? And then delivered a huge Tory majority?

On the surface, yes. But we don’t think about it like that. We like to refer to it as ‘winning the argument‘

In much the same way as Fulham won the match against Arsenal on Saturday.

Didn’t the Corbyn opposition force an election?

Point of order. It wasn’t Corbyn who forced an election. He wanted to leave Boris in place with no majority so that they could extract concessions from him on brexit, but the arch-remainer opposition parties had other ideas.

In much the same way as Fulham won the match against Arsenal on Saturday.

There you go again equating football to politics. It’s almost as bad a metaphor as comparing a household budget to that of the governments.

There you go again equating football to politics. It’s almost as bad a metaphor as comparing a household budget to that of the governments.

Well…. not really. Both football matches and FPTP general elections are binary. You win, you lose or you draw.

Those are the three options available, There are no other variables. So trying to spin delivering a thumping great majority to your opposition and having your worst result for 85 years as ‘winning the argument’ is very much in the same ballpark as your average Jose Mourhino post-match interview, where you listen to it while thinking “have we just watched the same match?” 😀

It’s all very saying the left can be ignored but if he doesn’t want to spend the next 4 years fighting internal battles then it might be a good idea to focus more on his unity promise.

Who says he isn’t focusing on his unity promise and if I was him I wouldn’t be fighting internal battles. I would ensure that I didn’t have to by having the correct people in the positions that matter and have visibility. What the low level dinosaurs are up to is not worth spending any time on.

Who says he isn’t focusing on his unity promise

I think his actions so far speak for themselves on this subject.

Didn’t the Corbyn opposition force an election? And then delivered a huge Tory majority?

Arguably he did in 2017. His catastrophic mistake in 2019 was to allow himself to be railroaded into it.

I think his actions so far speak for themselves on this subject.

What actions? Can you give me some specific examples

I can’t see anything he’s actually done or said that anyone but the most ardent tinfoil-hat-brigade would be remotely bothered about. Especially as by not doing the things you said he was going to do, and doing all the things you said he wouldn’t, he’s cut the 26 point Tory poll lead that Grandad bequeathed him down to nowt, in under 6 months.

What do you want? The moon on a stick?

Oh… erm…

😀

I can’t see anything he’s actually done or said that anyone but the most ardent tinfoil-hat-brigade would be remotely bothered about.

And therein lies the problem. One side think he’s Tony Blair in disguise, the other thinks it can it can dismiss anyone asking any relevant questions about his real intentions as nutters and extremists.

Not sure of the relevance of historical examples. We are now in a time of a government visibly not caring (whereas they used to at least pretend) and certainly wouldn’t reverse any decision based on opposition, however good the opposition was.

This is what I’m getting at. It’s very easy to criticise the opposition leader, when you’re upset about your party being in opposition, but what would you have him actually do that would actually work?

Safe to assume that Starmer is a more competent and insightful political operator than say, binners 🙂

And therein lies the problem. One side think he’s Tony Blair in disguise, the other thinks it can it can dismiss anyone asking any relevant questions about his real intentions as nutters and extremists.

Maybe thats an advantage, rather than a problem?

Safe to assume that Starmer is a more competent and insightful political operator than say, binners

There are items of furniture that could easily pass that low water mark. I’d have fitted right in Corbyns cabinet with Richard Burgon 😀

I think his actions so far speak for themselves on this subject.

Do they. You are talking about internal in fighting, how do you know what has been done with that. You wouldn’t see the actions.

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