Rugby – 6 nations.

he was never on side -standing a yard at least offside. so it wasn’t the tackle – its where he came from

hew was offside though

glitchybumpingnonsense

ruddyglitch

Botha had been lying on the floor for five mins before he passed it

stillglitchybumnpynonsense

Oh FFS sort it out

Oh and the delayed match in Paris the other weekend could play into Wales hands for a Slam

How come?

france play every week now I believe, Wales will have a rest?

Brakes is that meant to prove or disprove the try?

Brakes, I think that the pic from Boxfish rather cancels out yours, don’t you? Especially as neither of yours are of any consequence.

It wasn’t a try.

I don’t know, I just thought I’d give people the opportunity to see a still of what convinced me that it was a try and give their opinion of why they think it’s not, and perhaps why the TV match offical couldn’t see this as conclusive.

The problem with the try still above its taken from low down. So its a bit like those third umpire referrals for catches in cricket – a perfectly good catch looks as if its grounded. The other two normal angles showed no try IMO.

Either way just about deserved by Wales. A bit more class and composure -apart from butchering a 2 man overlap. And please England, pick any one of 3 wings at Gloucester instead of Ashton 😆

Was today’s match typical of rugby ATM? Just seems to be endless rucks and scrums.

In the pictures above there is no downward pressure even if the ball is on the line his hand is under it.

England played well and awakes were lacking any spark in the back line beyond bashing away like battering rams cf Tindall etc

What gets my goat is all the handling in the ruck. In the Scots v Wales game you constantly heard the ref shouting hands but he barely gave any penalties for it. This leads to slow ball, defences line up and hammer the attacking players esp if the ref is weak on the offside as well.

Just winds me up to have the ref warn them repeatedly rather than penalise them and try and improved the flow of the game.

Anyway waiting for our own version of bump’n’bash with Morrison and Lamont tomorrow. Don’t know why we bothered picking wingers.

he was never on side -standing a yard at least offside. so it wasn’t the tackle – its where he came from

quite true…although the england player had already commited an offence before Priestland tackled.

Doesn’t matter though…there’s only one ref.

The other two normal angles showed no try IMO.

the other two angles were blocked when the ball was downed, therefore they were ‘inconclusive’ rather than showing ‘no try’, but I guess that equates to the same thing?

there is no downward pressure

^this, I can see as a reason, but I think it would be harsh.

Image du jour.

🙂

You could also argue he is not in control of the ball from that pic as well.

Live with it. Don’t moan about it too much as it is unbecoming. Be happy your team has 2 wins already and isn’t nervously eyeing the tree based cutlery item again!

We can all remember tries that shouldn’t have been eg wilkos foot in touch against Scotland. ( still not bitter 😉 )

I’m not moaning, it’s just galling that England finally put in a good performance, come close to winning against a formidable confident team and then don’t because of a decision by an official that could be argued either way.
It seems that match officials make decisions on tries in the absence of doubt. Why didn’t Walsh say “any reason not to award the try?” rather than “try or no try”?

Brakes, let it go. After today, we are in the ascendancy.

However, the victory was Wales and congratulations to both teams for a good match.

There have definitely been tries disallowed in the past that were much better supported by evidence…

Why didn’t Walsh say “any reason not to award the try?”

Cos he didn’t know. They ask that when they think there’s been a score, but they just need to check – foot in touch, that kind of thing.

After today, we are in the ascendancy.

However, the victory was Wales

Agreed – both sets of fans should be chuffed I reckon. Rugby was the real winner… aargh nooo I said it! I’ll get my coat.. yeah that one.. with the Wales scarf.

Well done Wales.

To lose might not be a bad thing for England anyway. They surprised everyone today, and as said earlier are heading the right way. They need to feel the pain of defeat sometimes for their long term benefit. Farrell’s anger at having to go off speaks volumes. Definitely a good day for England, no shame in losing that game.

Maasive difference in the wales ireland game and the eakes england game was the way the ref controlled the breakdown. One was a free flowing game the other was an arm wrestle. Both games wales won but could easily have lost.

I’m not moaning, it’s just galling that England finally put in a good performance, come close to winning against a formidable confident team and then don’t because of a decision by an official that could be argued either way.
It seems that match officials make decisions on tries in the absence of doubt. Why didn’t Walsh say “any reason not to award the try?” rather than “try or no try”?

If they scored the try, and flood landed the conversion (from the touchline and on the wrong side for him) the game would have been a draw..England couldn’t have won

He wasn’t in control of the ball, and there was no downward pressure. So it matters not.
If yours was a try then so was this:

any one else shouting at the tv when lawes came on?? just when we needed stability

oh………….and get Gethin Jenkins a bloody handbag – whining at the ref at every oppertunity – it’s not limp wristed football

sorry – rant

Phillips is bad for that too

It seems that match officials make decisions on tries in the absence of doubt. Why didn’t Walsh say “any reason not to award the try?” rather than “try or no try”?

Walsh did not get a good view. he went to the touch judge and asked him if he saw it – touch judge said no. Walsh said “I thought it was held up” thus rightly asked “try / no try”

Those pictures are not comclusive enough if “try / no try” the question. I think Strettles hand was under it att he critical moment. incoclusive is reasonable from the images

The score line is all that matters really. I thoroughly enjoyed the game regardless.
I’m very happy with the performance against a team which on paper should have slaughtered us. Bigger, faster, more experienced. Wales had a average of 20 caps more per person so if we can more than match them now, it looks very good for next year.

All I can say to England fans is Stick your Chariot up your A***! 😀

Maybe your right about gethin but him and jones shoved corbisero and cole heads up their arses all day. Very impressive. England coaches impressed though. They stopped Faletau picking up from the base to provide the extra man and passing direct to the backs. It was aleays illegal with the 9 offside all the time but for some reason the ref didnt see it as a potential yellow despite pinging them on three scrums in a row. Suppose thats home advantage. Strettles attempt was less a try than the Laidlaw one, at least laidlaw hand his hand on top of the ball. Strettle had his hand under it.
How the mighty have fallen when loosing at home to wales narrowly is seen as positive and moaning about being robbed………. Thats our job you get your own shtick.

Wrecker you have to remember the wales team was actually younger despite having more caps, both went down a lot in the second half when Roberts was replaced by williams.

He wasn’t in control of the ball, and there was no downward pressure

You don’t need to be in control of the ball, just have downward pressure. While I am no fan of Steve Walsh, he did ask the right question. He was not sure. Some TV refs give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team, others don’t. I suspect that had he given the try we would be having the same set of arguments!! In any case the best official was the line judge – he should be calling this decision.

Great match, I think of the two coaching teams the Welsh ones will have the bigger headache. England stepped up a gear and showed where they are heading, Wales ran out of idea. Despite dominating for large periods they failed to convert – it took a very good opportunist try to separate the two teams. Against better teams, Wales need more creativity than is offered that Priestland, Roberts and Davies.

you do need to be in control of the ball – you don’t need downward pressure depending

22.1 GROUNDING THE BALL

There are two ways a player can ground the ball:
(a) Player touches the ground with the ball. A player grounds the ball by holding the ball and touching the ground with it, in in-goal. ‘Holding’ means holding in the hand or hands, or in the arm or arms. No downward pressure is required.

(b) Player presses down on the ball. A player grounds the ball when it is on the ground in the in-goal and the player presses down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck inclusive.

Great match, I think of the two coaching teams the Welsh ones will have the bigger headache. England stepped up a gear and showed where they are heading, Wales ran out of idea. Despite dominating for large periods they failed to convert – it took a very good opportunist try to separate the two teams. Against better teams, Wales need more creativity than is offered that Priestland, Roberts and Davies

step forward St Gavin (or maybe Hook needs to get over the pox)

i actually think a lack of ball carriers in the pack is the issue. Ryan jones should have started and big bad bradley davies is much missed. Faletau is not the best carrying close to the ruck.

The only thing that matters is the refs opinion – move on now. No try, simple. This is not football.

Brakes has a point ,I really hadn’t noticed it before but in that still you can clearly see that the score at that point 12-19 and with 5 points for the try and obviously England would have definatly have got the conversion so they still wouldn’t have won.